Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:21AM

DebDynamite wrote: »

I don’t understand the reluctance of people for us to close out borders. It’s bizarre. Obviously we wouldn’t be denying entry for Irish citizens, but there should be forced quarantine upon arrival. Our hotels are empty, and if the numbers are as low as people say they are, there shouldn’t be a capacity issue. The state could cover the cost for Irish citizens, but non Irish should cover their own cost. Obviously there will be essential workers coming into the country - both Irish and non Irish, and we could make exceptions for these people once they should their relevant papers/letters.

Let's look at what your purposing...

You want to close the borders, but not for Irish citizens, so the borders would be kinda be open. What do you do about Northern Ireland - are you going to put the Irish army on the border? Serious question there?

Hotels are empty - Who feeds the people staying in the hotel - do the workers in the hotel now have to stay in isolation for the entire time so not to pass on any potential infection into the community?

You want to make some exceptions for people, if they have the correct papers - so your happy for these people not to be quarantined.

Like your logic makes no sense, given there are so few coming into the country in the first place, and those who are, are more than likely isolating anyway.

There have been a few "social media" folk, who arrived home in Ireland in the last 2 week and you see the flights and airports are empty and that they go into isolation - rent an air bnb somewhere and stay there for 2 weeks.

It's all well and good to say close this airport and that - but when the government are introducing the 2km restriction for Irish people, people are complaining on here, and wanting to visit folk 100km away.

V8 Interceptor · 13-04-2020 12:21AM

anewme wrote: »

And did you mean no disrespect to the people with relatives in nursing homes by saying they could not e a toss if they got it it not.

Dont project your own negativity onto others,

Didn't say that. I said if they wanted to avoid C19 an NH is the last place they should be. But the poster I was replying to was saying despite C19 ripping through nursing homes they might be better off there with the social interaction etc rather than being at home on their own worrying. In other words their quality of life in the NH overrides the much greater risk of contracting C19 there.

IE They might be willing to just take their chances.

Westernyelp · 13-04-2020 12:21AM

Dozyart wrote: »

Dont be a bellend ffs

You might be asking a bit much there

froog · 13-04-2020 12:22AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Google triage and Ireland.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

The Director of Critical Care Medicine at the Mater Hospital in Dublin has said the intensive care unit there is full and some patients, who have been ventilated, have been moved to the high dependency unit for care.

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:22AM

Tandey wrote: »

And logical.

I wouldn't say a poster who does not wash his socks would have health as top priority to be fair.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:23AM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

The Director of Critical Care Medicine at the Mater Hospital in Dublin has said the intensive care unit there is full and some patients, who have been ventilated, have been moved to the high dependency unit for care.

So even with our 3rd world health system we are coping?

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:23AM

smelly sock wrote: »

So people cant afford healthcare, food ,fuel amd bills.

80 per cent will have mild symptoms. Lets wisen up here. The restrictions should be eased.

Ye very logical.

How much does it cost patients of the Covid?

Logical people save for a rainy day.

Have you heard of the €350 for workers affected by this?
Have you heard that the fuel allowance for those in need has been extended?

Kermit.de.frog · 13-04-2020 12:24AM

smelly sock wrote: »

So even with our 3rd world health system we are coping?

Have you ever been to the 3rd world?

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 12:24AM

wakka12 wrote: »

The number of entries on RIP.ie is significantly more than average for March of other years

We had more deaths in March 18?

Or am I counting wrong? That is also possible

jesus_thats_gre · 13-04-2020 12:24AM

froog wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0408/1129248-dublin-mater-icu/

The Director of Critical Care Medicine at the Mater Hospital in Dublin has said the intensive care unit there is full and some patients, who have been ventilated, have been moved to the high dependency unit for care.

This is nearly a week old.

Also, it is inevitable that some hospitals will fill up at a local level. Move patients to other hospitals in that case.

It is ultimately about the entire systems ability to absorb the load.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:25AM

Tandey wrote: »

How much does it cost patients of the Covid?

Logical people save for a rainy day.

Have you heard of the €350 for workers affected by this?
Have you heard that the fuel allowance for those in need has been extended?

Have you heard of mortgages ? I can tell you the banks wont be so relaxed for long.

Could you cover a mortgage of 1200 and then all the other bills with 350 a week mate?

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:26AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Have you ever been to the 3rd world?

Yes.

bloodless_coup · 13-04-2020 12:26AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Have you ever been to the 3rd world?

Anybody who makes that statement hasn't been outside of thier mothers house.

BanditLuke · 13-04-2020 12:26AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Imho as every day passes the lockdown seems to be overly severe and draconian.

I cant see the benefit to anyone but a few of extending it like the Tshock did. It smacks of them not knowing what to do next.

Some of the dooms day preppers on here are hard at the thought of the economy and peoples lives going to ****e.

This needs to be lifted and restrictions phased down.

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

#supportthehse

anewme · 13-04-2020 12:26AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Didn't say that. I said if they wanted to avoid C19 an NH is the last place they should be. But the poster I was replying to was saying despite C19 ripping through nursing homes they might be better off there with the social interaction etc rather than being at home on their own worrying. In other words their quality of life in the NH overrides the much greater risk of contracting C19 there.

IE They might be willing to just take their chances.

No, what you actually said was...

That said not all of them would be too bothered if they contracted it because they mightn't give a toss at this stage of their lives.

That's a bit different in fairness.

joe_99 · 13-04-2020 12:26AM

wakka12 wrote: »

That is ridiculous because COVID wasnt even here in January, so I have no idea why you would combine the total number of people who typically die within the months of January, February and March when COVID was only here for one of the three months. Surely you would just compare the 334 figure to the number who typically die in March, and in that case a pretty sizeable number of Irish people have died from this new virus in this given timeframe and it has caused a significant increase in national mortality rates over that period

I was putting some perspective on it in response to a post re countries worldwide. The virus has been killing people worldwide since Jan. Since Jan we have lost 334.

In March 2700 people died in Ireland

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:27AM

froog wrote: »

i suggest you google "triage and italy".

I took your post to mean that thousands of people die every year, and covid just adds a few more and hence no big deal.

My point was that Covid over runs the hospital and ICU beds if allowed to get of hand, and so it is a big deal.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:27AM

Tandey wrote: »

How much does it cost patients of the Covid?

Logical people save for a rainy day.

Have you heard of the €350 for workers affected by this?
Have you heard that the fuel allowance for those in need has been extended?

How many die or need hospitalisation?

hawkelady · 13-04-2020 12:28AM

smelly sock wrote: »

So even with our 3rd world health system we are coping?

Ffs you clown , atm yes we are, but that’s cause of all the extra healthcare workers that re reg’ed , came back from abroad , came back from retirement ... cancelled all non essential ops, changed recovery wards to icu wards etc. Cancelled all leave for staff.
Yes , we are coping now,,, who knows what it’ll be like in 2/3 weeks you utter bellend clown.

Tandey · 13-04-2020 12:28AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Have you heard of mortgages ? I can tell you the banks wont be so relaxed for long.

Could you cover a mortgage of 1200 and then all the other bills with 350 a week mate?

Yes I have a mortgage. Do you?

No but a single person wouldn’t be able to get such a mortgage in the first place. If they did then they would be well able to afford it now with the salary they’d have been on.

Funsterdelux · 13-04-2020 12:29AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Imho as every day passes the lockdown seems to be overly severe and draconian.

I cant see the benefit to anyone but a few of extending it like the Tshock did. It smacks of them not knowing what to do next.

Some of the dooms day preppers on here are hard at the thought of the economy and peoples lives going to ****e.

This needs to be lifted and restrictions phased down.

Its absolutely and over reaction to something which affects a tiny number of people in reality yet the measure imposed are indirectly destroying peoples lives.

#liftthelockdown

Lift all restrictions or just some of them?

Pulsating Star · 13-04-2020 12:30AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

ladyella wrote: »

Puzzles. As simple as that sounds, i was becoming completely obsessed with all news channels and this forum that i couldnt drag myself out of this massive funk of sadness. Then i read about puzzles for mindfulness. Try it, it helps

I used the very same in the first couple of weeks to give my mind a break from the anxiety which was making me ill. Sudoku and the like, another I found very good was listening to YouTube radio dramas , eg Agatha Christie. Creating the picture in ones head didn’t leave much room for this stuff, while been entertained.

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:30AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Lift all restrictions or just some of them?

Start to relax some of them. People who need to leave the house to work and earn a living should be allowed while adhering to social distancing.

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:30AM

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Didn't say that. I said if they wanted to avoid C19 an NH is the last place they should be. But the poster I was replying to was saying despite C19 ripping through nursing homes they might be better off there with the social interaction etc rather than being at home on their own worrying. In other words their quality of life in the NH overrides the much greater risk of contracting C19 there.

IE They might be willing to just take their chances.

But it's not the last place they should be. The virus doesn't just get into a nursing and if it does, it doesn't mean that residents are going to get it. Your making it out that it's a guaranteed death if they catch it which is scaremongering.

DevilsHaircut · 13-04-2020 12:32AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Everyone that stays at home is doing what is required.

I feel like saying the doctors/nurses are the frontline is the wrong approach. If you think what the front line represents. Me and you are the front line, if the virus gets pass us and we need help - then the nurses and doctors are there.

If you consider the healthcares as front line and the virus beats them - you probably going to die.

Yeah, but spending all day on boards arguing about minutiae when we're generally on the same page (apart from the trolls and the 'economists') is not useful.

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 12:32AM

declanflynn wrote: »

you have over adjusted by my calculations, based on population numbers for 2019 the equivalent is 780, so more than double

The UK have almost 20 times more people in the most vunerable category?

Ace2007 · 13-04-2020 12:32AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Have you heard of mortgages ? I can tell you the banks wont be so relaxed for long.

Could you cover a mortgage of 1200 and then all the other bills with 350 a week mate?

If you have a mortgage of 1200 a month, you should be thinking about what if I get sick and can't pay this - maybe I should put some money away.

Did people not learn anything from the 08 crash seriously?

Jenbach110 · 13-04-2020 12:33AM

joe_99 wrote: »

In March 2700 people died in Ireland

It does put perspective on this

smelly sock · 13-04-2020 12:33AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

If you have a mortgage of 1200 a month, you should be thinking about what if I get sick and can't pay this - maybe I should put some money away.

Did people not learn anything from the 08 crash seriously?

This is totally unforseen. People and the middle class in general are to the pin of their collar anyway.

DebDynamite · 13-04-2020 12:33AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Let's look at what your purposing...

You want to close the borders, but not for Irish citizens, so the borders would be kinda be open. What do you do about Northern Ireland - are you going to put the Irish army on the border? Serious question there?

Hotels are empty - Who feeds the people staying in the hotel - do the workers in the hotel now have to stay in isolation for the entire time so not to pass on any potential infection into the community?

You want to make some exceptions for people, if they have the correct papers - so your happy for these people not to be quarantined.

Like your logic makes no sense, given there are so few coming into the country in the first place, and those who are, are more than likely isolating anyway.

There have been a few "social media" folk, who arrived home in Ireland in the last 2 week and you see the flights and airports are empty and that they go into isolation - rent an air bnb somewhere and stay there for 2 weeks.

It's all well and good to say close this airport and that - but when the government are introducing the 2km restriction for Irish people, people are complaining on here, and wanting to visit folk 100km away.

TBH, there’s probably nothing we can do about the border with Northern Ireland, but it would certainly discourage people if they had to fly from wherever in the world to Belfast (if they could even get a flight), and make their way down south.

I really don’t know the logistics re catering to people in hotels, but the powers that be could look at any number of countries who have done the same (like Australia for instance, who have managed to keep the virus under control) and copy what they have done.

Yes some social media types might be renting their AirBnb somewhere, but obviously that’s for optics so they won’t get called out for not self isolating. You think the normal Joe soap who returns to the country would go to those lengths if they knew they didn’t have to?

Yes, we could make exceptions for essential workers, as there’s possibly an urgency on them getting to where they need to go

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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