Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

froog · 12-04-2020 09:22PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

See McGregor is taking pot shots at the Stena Line PR guy on twitter bringing up the fact he is British and generally acting the pr1ck. Useless idiot doesn’t understand how lorries are getting into the country.

mcgregor must be going out of his mind stuck at home with his family.

ILoveYourVibes · 12-04-2020 09:25PM

froog wrote: »

mcgregor must be going out of his mind stuck at home with his family.

There are people coming here through airports though. Not for business. I am certain some are through ferries.

All travel for people should be halted intentionally it should be only cargo and its personal.

igCorcaigh · 12-04-2020 09:26PM

owlbethere wrote: »

This is our generations smallpox or scarlet fever or the Spanish flu or TB. We're going to need to deal with this as best we can and hopefully a vaccine will be formed but the vaccine will be for the next generation. We can't live under lockdown until a vaccine comes about.

This is the problem.

A certain relaxing of restrictions may come this summer, idk, perhaps, but it will be a constant battle to keep the virus low in the population.

It's such a delicate balancing act, I'm just glad I don't have to make these life and death decisions

froog · 12-04-2020 09:27PM

oh boy, trump won't like this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/fauci-trump-rebuffed-social-distancing-advice-coronavirus

Prominent US public health adviser Dr Anthony Fauci appeared on Sunday to confirm a bombshell New York Times report which said he and other Trump administration officials recommended the implementation of social distancing to combat the coronavirus in February, but were rebuffed for almost a month.

Spencer Brown · 12-04-2020 09:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

We don't know enough about this thing yet to conclude anything. As if know it's the elderly, obese and those with underlying conditions that have been hardest at hit by covid-19.
The South Korean discovery is another new factor where previously recovered people are now infected again and we don't know how that's going to play out.

The South Korean discovery is as valid as claims a vaccine will be ready in September, people need to stop quoting it as if it's fact, it isn't. It needs further investigation.

12-04-2020 09:30PM

Aegir wrote: »

Do we?

The official figures are those that died from covid 19. Do they also include those whose death came from other factors but were related to covid 19 like heart failure?

Yes, we include all those who die (of whatever direct cause) who test positive for Covid-19. I understood from one of the press briefings that this includes test results confirmed post-mortem.

"Note: Ireland (HSE) to its credit follows best practice guidance from the WHO and counts anyone who has tested positive for Covid-19 and passed away in mortality statistics. Not every country follows WHO good practice, so there could be much under-reporting in the table below in other countries, so few if any conclusions can be drawn at this stage"

https://www.cfireland.ie/about-cf/latest-news/cfi-update-on-covid-19

KiKi III · 12-04-2020 09:31PM

froog wrote: »

oh boy, trump won't like this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/fauci-trump-rebuffed-social-distancing-advice-coronavirus

Prominent US public health adviser Dr Anthony Fauci appeared on Sunday to confirm a bombshell New York Times report which said he and other Trump administration officials recommended the implementation of social distancing to combat the coronavirus in February, but were rebuffed for almost a month.

Fauci, like that navy commander, probably realised he has to fall on his sword for the truth to come out.

wakka12 · 12-04-2020 09:33PM

Deaths in the EU now at 75,000. About 50% of the predicated total deaths so long as social distancing measures are kept in place

Stheno · 12-04-2020 09:34PM

froog wrote: »

oh boy, trump won't like this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/fauci-trump-rebuffed-social-distancing-advice-coronavirus

Prominent US public health adviser Dr Anthony Fauci appeared on Sunday to confirm a bombshell New York Times report which said he and other Trump administration officials recommended the implementation of social distancing to combat the coronavirus in February, but were rebuffed for almost a month.

Fauci does a delicate act of going against Trump in a tactful way

keynes · 12-04-2020 09:38PM

froog wrote: »

mcgregor must be going out of his mind stuck at home with his family.

Guy from Stena Line responded, saying "On the 4 ferries a day into Dublin, there are 60 passengers today and 30 tomorrow... Lots of freight traffic though."

That's 90 non-freight people over 2 days from a country where the disease is running rampant. Well, that's reassuring! We're still one of the only countries in the world with unrestricted entry. If seeding from abroad continues, it nullifies the point of any lockdown. It's not a coincidence that all other countries with relatively similar profiles to ours, but had closed borders (like Denmark, New Zealand) are now beginning to get back to business, while we still await our "surge."

owlbethere · 12-04-2020 09:40PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

This is the problem.

A certain relaxing of restrictions may come this summer, idk, perhaps, but it will be a constant battle to keep the virus low in the population.

It's such a delicate balancing act, I'm just glad I don't have to make these life and death decisions

Its a nightmare situation. Some sort of a balance has to come about.

I know there's o ford's trials due to start that was linked above and it looks good and hopefully it will be promising and it brings good news but I think we also need to plan for a 'what if' situation. What if it doesn't work.

I understand how important this lockdown and restrictions are but we can't live like this forever.

ILoveYourVibes · 12-04-2020 09:41PM

Imagine if trump gets re-elected the only thing keeping him from letting this thing run wild is he needs to win another election.

OscarMIlde · 12-04-2020 09:45PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for explaining. Not my area of expertise. Very concerning that scientists in Wuhan studying these exact viruses and proving they could mutate to infect humans prior to outbreak.

It could of course happened naturally . I don’t know enough to know how likely one way or the other.

Anyway stay safe.

You didn't understand what I said at all.

Roger_007 · 12-04-2020 09:47PM

Stheno wrote: »

Fauci does a delicate act of going against Trump in a tactful way

In my opinion Fauci is very much regarded as the voice of truth and integrity to the majority of Americans. Trump can’t sack him without incurring huge political damage. Fauci has succeeded in getting the truth out without directly contradicting Trump but at the same time letting everyone know that Trump is talking through an orifice intended for other purposes.
Fauci is playing a very difficult game but so far he is playing it brilliantly.

silverharp · 12-04-2020 09:48PM

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Imagine if trump gets re-elected the only thing keeping him from letting this thing run wild is he needs to win another election.

you are a mind reader, who else do you do?

Away With The Fairies · 12-04-2020 09:49PM

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

giveitholly · 12-04-2020 09:50PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

Stop logging onto boards and posting all the time might help,if it is affecting your mental health this much then for your own sake you need to step away from the phone

BanditLuke · 12-04-2020 09:55PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Its a nightmare situation. Some sort of a balance has to come about.

I know there's o ford's trials due to start that was linked above and it looks good and hopefully it will be promising and it brings good news but I think we also need to plan for a 'what if' situation. What if it doesn't work.

I understand how important this lockdown and restrictions are but we can't live like this forever.

And we won't of course. We need to buy time to get more ventilators, ICU's,PPE testing equipment, nurses and doctors trained to use ventilators etc.. that's what all this is about. I've no doubt the vaccine will take 18 months to 2 years at the very earliest and we aren't going to lockdown until then but iv'e also no doubt it won't be relaxed at the end of the next 3 weeks either.

My best guess as some random internet dumbass is current restrictions until mid May then a slight relaxation of that then lockdown again in July when it becomes obvious numbers are on the rise again rinse and repeat until the vaccine. That said maybe we'll get lucky and this will burn itself out in the summer who knows.

Iamabeliever · 12-04-2020 09:55PM

Austria / Denmark ! Look to have got a good grasp on infection rates. What have these two countries done to achieve this. I hear very little in the media. maybe this should be our Benchmark. If I can remember went on lockdown 1-2 weeks before us.

MD1990 · 12-04-2020 09:57PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

try and find something that will occupy your mind if possible.

Reading,think of some tasks you need to do,research things you are interested,listen to music,maybe some try some art,netflix series,

I dont know why people keep researching the virus at this stage.

I barely check the stats anymore or news about the virus.
No point looking at something constantly that gives bad news all the time.

Blueshoe · 12-04-2020 09:59PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Austria / Denmark ! Look to have got a good grasp on infection rates. What have these two countries done to achieve this. I hear very little in the media. maybe this should be our Benchmark. If I can remember went on lockdown 1-2 weeks before us.

Both governments are described as right wing populist parties. In some international metrics the current Danish government is even classed as far right.

Coincidence?

Nice to finally see some well overdue love for right wing parties though.

JP Liz V1 · 12-04-2020 10:00PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Austria / Denmark ! Look to have got a good grasp on infection rates. What have these two countries done to achieve this. I hear very little in the media. maybe this should be our Benchmark. If I can remember went on lockdown 1-2 weeks before us.

New Zealand also

Kermit.de.frog · 12-04-2020 10:00PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How does someone switch off from this and the news?

Watch the movie 'Contagion'

A story of hope over fear, triumph over adversity, smiles over frowns

caveat emptor · 12-04-2020 10:02PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

You didn't understand what I said at all.

To summarise you said this is normal practice and that the virus is manipulated to be single shot so that it wouldn’t self replicate. I get that. I find it beyond coincidence that scientists in the city where the outbreak occurred where studying SARS like bat coronavirus’ and investigating the specific pathway that this virus infects human cells. The author I referenced was based in Wuhan. Did you read the paper?

Do you get what i’m saying? what is the probability of that event occurring in Wuhan where there is a history of study of this exact pathogen in BS4 lab as opposed to any other city in China with a wet market and no lab?

I don’t know, do you?

ladyella · 12-04-2020 10:04PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

Puzzles. As simple as that sounds, i was becoming completely obsessed with all news channels and this forum that i couldnt drag myself out of this massive funk of sadness. Then i read about puzzles for mindfulness. Try it, it helps

froog · 12-04-2020 10:06PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

In my opinion Fauci is very much regarded as the voice of truth and integrity to the majority of Americans. Trump can’t sack him without incurring huge political damage. Fauci has succeeded in getting the truth out without directly contradicting Trump but at the same time letting everyone know that Trump is talking through an orifice intended for other purposes.
Fauci is playing a very difficult game but so far he is playing it brilliantly.

agreed. and after the initial poll jump for trump which is the usual rally around your leader thing, he's starting to drop now. the two hour press conferences which he treats like campaign rallys are starting to backfire big time.

Strazdas · 12-04-2020 10:06PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Austria / Denmark ! Look to have got a good grasp on infection rates. What have these two countries done to achieve this. I hear very little in the media. maybe this should be our Benchmark. If I can remember went on lockdown 1-2 weeks before us.

Incidentally, Denmark are only about a week / ten days ahead of us in where they are in managing / controlling the virus.

eagle eye · 12-04-2020 10:08PM

Spencer Brown wrote:

The South Korean discovery is as valid as claims a vaccine will be ready in September, people need to stop quoting it as if it's fact, it isn't. It needs further investigation.

I don't why you are comparing it to a vaccine or quoting me as if I made a statement about it other than we need to see how it plays out.

Dante7 · 12-04-2020 10:08PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I have cried for Italy, I have cried for Spain, I have cried for America, I have cried for Ireland... How does someone switch off from this and the news?

Here's hoping Argentina don't fare too badly.

DebDynamite · 12-04-2020 10:09PM

Iamabeliever wrote: »

Austria / Denmark ! Look to have got a good grasp on infection rates. What have these two countries done to achieve this. I hear very little in the media. maybe this should be our Benchmark. If I can remember went on lockdown 1-2 weeks before us.

Denmark completely closed their borders and Austria had a partial closure

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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