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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1982
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    pc7 wrote: »
    No he looked fairly fit, was in New York. Has it been shown if certain strains are harder?
    I wonder does the outcome have anything to do with how much of the virus we are exposed to. Say one person was infected by 20,000 viruses and someone else 50,000 spores.


  • #1983
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Seamie12345 wrote: »
    This is absolutely a truth.
    My mother is in a nursing home having had to be moved there permanently at the beginning of March having (miraculously) come through double pneumonia after fabulous care in hospital where they gave her every single chance to recover in spite of tremendous odds and a number of other underlying conditions.
    With an accompanying heart condition, the nursing home have already contacted me directly to say that should she contract the virus (no cases in the home currently or to date), then she would not be going to hospital.
    Not an easy phonecall for them to make but I understand the reasoning (in her particular situation at least)
    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I would have thought it would be the families, next of kin decision ultimately


    Fairly sure the HSE wrote to all nursing homes advising them that residents who get the virus should be treated in the homes - perhaps for certain people they may move to a hospital setting if they were young or whatever, but my understanding would be they wouldn't be.


  • #1984
    whatawaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The numbers really mean nothing until the backlog is cleared. Realistically there’s probably 2/3 thousand resolved cases here. We simply cannot trust the new numbers because of how long ago the tests were taken.

    The only number we can ever come close to trusting is number of deaths. If we have 300 deaths you can probably assume that there could be upwards of 30,000 cases in the community, assuming a 1% death rate


  • #1985
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I wonder does the outcome have anything to do with how much of the virus we are exposed to. Say one person was infected by 20,000 viruses and someone else 50,000 spores.

    Maybe, think they felt that’s why some medics and health care professionals died in Wuhan. I’m not as in tune with reports etc as I was back when this was a ‘thing’ in China and the inner prepper in me was prepping! Now I’ve a bit of corona fatigue, just dip in and out.


  • #1986
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249386740340731904?s=19

    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249387282295029760?s=19

    Hospitalisation and ICU percentages, this shows that the measures taken prior to implementing the current restrictions are working, I'd expect to see the current restrictions reflected more towards the end of this week in the numbers. ICU numbers are very steady and that's a huge positive.

    People can argue all they want about testing, testing doesn't make much of a difference in these numbers, your isolating as soon as you show a symptom regardless of a positive or negative test result and regardless if it takes 5 days or 15 days to get that result. If your in a bad way your admitted to hospital.


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  • #1987
    New Home
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    The old tale of the ant and the grasshopper is still pertinent, I see.


  • #1988
    easypazz
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    Its obviously killing quite a few on here that we are not hitting 60 and 80 deaths a day


  • #1989
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Everyone knows it's not just old people.

    Everyone also knows it's nearly all old people.

    It's the truth.

    The trust is 66% of those need hospital care are under 65 - that's fact.

    It's the hospital numbers that really only matters nothing else.


  • #1990
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Bad news from down the page in that link. Covid-19 is a stealth virus.
    Covid-19 appears to be more contagious than initially thought. And more people than expected are carrying it without showing symptoms.

    The US Centres for Disease Control (CDC) has published a report suggesting each Covid-19 carrier will likely infect five or six other people.

    And the British Medical Journal has just published a study based on experience in Italy suggesting some 78 per cent of people with Covid-19 show no symptoms.

    Together, these elements make the virus especially hard to contain. It also means a much higher level of vaccination would be needed before it can be choked.

    About 85 per cent of any given population will have to have resistance before they can begin to go about 'normally', without offering a chance for the virus to spread.

    The R0 is likely to be 5.7 and if 85% of the population needs to be immunized/infected, achieving the so called 'Herd Immunity' is that much more difficult to obtain.

    This virus keeps throwing up nasty surprises.

    If what you quoted is true, then this is actually good news meaning that herd immunity is closer than we think.


  • #1991
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The numbers really mean nothing until the backlog is cleared. Realistically there’s probably 2/3 thousand resolved cases here. We simply cannot trust the new numbers because of how long ago the tests were taken.

    The backlog of testing being done by the German labs is due to be cleared by the end of the coming week. Was reported on yesterday.


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  • #1992
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I wonder does the outcome have anything to do with how much of the virus we are exposed to. Say one person was infected by 20,000 viruses and someone else 50,000 spores.

    Well...ok.


  • #1993
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,023 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its obviously killing quite a few on here that we are not hitting 60 and 80 deaths a day

    Its hurting you badly anyway.


  • #1994
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Yes, with the proviso that it may prove to have deleterious lung function effects for many, if not all, who suffer from more than a mild infection.

    If that proves to be the case, the longer term social and economic consequences could be quite serious.

    cf wakka12 #1980


  • #1995
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its obviously killing quite a few on here that we are not hitting 60 and 80 deaths a day


    I don't think so, if we had been hitting those numbers it would have a greater chance of killing those on here....... basic maths..


  • #1996
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    Day one of the German analysis amounted to 15,000 out of 29,000 tests, so must be nearly all analysed now, or at least by tomorrow.

    The first German results started coming back on Friday April 3rd and they were averaging 1500/2000 results per day...I'd say it will be Wed/Thursday before they are all back.


  • #1997
    Mam of 4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,912 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    anewme wrote: »
    Well I will tell you one thing.

    The old people in the nursing home’s fighting this have far more grit, respect and bravery than some of the gutless cowards on here.

    Quoting this Anewme in case anyone missed it the first time .

    Well said .


  • #1998
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    mariaalice wrote: »
    They had a man aged 45 with no underlying health conditions on the news he was from Cork he had to be put in an induced coma because of Covid 19. Maybe this Will get the message across that it is not just old people.

    Yes, it was encouraging to see that guy recovered but also a reminder to anyone who thinks that they might be immune because of age or being free from underlying conditions.


  • #1999
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249386740340731904?s=19

    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249387282295029760?s=19

    Hospitalisation and ICU percentages, this shows that the measures taken prior to implementing the current restrictions are working, I'd expect to see the current restrictions reflected more towards the end of this week in the numbers. ICU numbers are very steady.

    A lot of positives alright.

    We could be like UK, Spain, Italy or New York but its not looking likely in Eire.


  • #2000
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,073 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    gmisk wrote: »
    There has been a delay in them coming back so they are being added in dribs and drabs, there were some added yesterday as well.

    Do we know when the tests sent to Germany were taken?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2001
    citysights
    Closed Accounts Posts: 288 ✭✭citysights


    pc7 wrote: »
    Virgin Media news showed a lovely clip of a 65 year old coming home recovered and RTÉ had a 45 year old who was in an induced coma for 9 days fully recovered. They are reporting some good news stories.

    Well that is brilliant, those are the positive stories that people need to hear, that people are getting better. The elderly are very fearful and negative stories are very upsetting for them. We need to hear about these recoveries because it may stop people worrying that they are going to be next. That is much better for their mental health rather than hearing negativity all the time. They should be relaxing at home, making the best of things and not to be feeling afraid. I hope they keep showing the recoveries.


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  • #2002
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its obviously killing quite a few on here that we are not hitting 60 and 80 deaths a day

    I heard lack of empathy is an underlying condition.


  • #2003
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    easypazz wrote: »
    A lot of positives alright.

    We could be like UK, Spain, Italy or New York but its not looking likely in Eire.

    Lots of positives but no time for complacency either, we have to keep at this for the next 3 weeks.

    Like I've said before I have family that work in dublins major hospitals, yes they said they're busy and with staff having to isolate the workload is increasing but the numbers of patients are still manageable when most thought our hospitals would have crumbled by now.


  • #2004
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,073 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Is Matt Damon isolating lockdown here in Ireland?
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  • #2005
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Eire eh..... Your mask is slipping further now.

    Not a surgical mask I hope.


  • #2006
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    easypazz wrote: »
    A lot of positives alright.

    We could be like UK, Spain, Italy or New York but its not looking likely in Eire.

    We are seemingly doing ok,but its of little comfort to those who've died or their families,

    they died n many cases alone gasping for air,they couldnt have proper funerals or send off,indeed many people have had to greive alone in isolation,

    there is no winning position for anyone here....little bit of perspective never geos astray


  • #2007
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    The trust is 66% of those need hospital care are under 65 - that's fact.

    It's the hospital numbers that really only matters nothing else.

    What kind of twisted logic is that?
    The hospital numbers matter more than the deaths???
    What planet are you posting from??


  • #2008
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    expectationlost wrote: »
    where are all these new cases occuring? https://twitter.com/andyazi/status/1248209967611555840 https://twitter.com/TimoneyKevin/status/1248621741007458306

    Obviously the nursing home clusters are very significant especially in light of the fact that over 50% of our deaths were nursing home residents even though some had been hospitalized prior to their passing.

    It would appear that the figure for nursing home clusters is a cumulative figure from the start.
    It would be fascinating to know how many of these clusters are still current.

    Obviously some of the deaths were from clusters but equally some clusters might have had recoveries.The number with current cases is the key.


  • #2009
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    easypazz wrote: »
    Its obviously killing quite a few on here that we are not hitting 60 and 80 deaths a day

    You couldn't care any less if you tried. One death is too many. I recommend you take a break from the internet and get some fresh air.


  • #2010
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Lots of positives but no time for complacency either, we have to keep at this for the next 3 weeks.

    Like I've said before I have family that work in dublins major hospitals, yes they said they're busy and with staff having to isolate the workload is increasing but the numbers of patients are still manageable when most thought our hospitals would have crumbled by now.

    We could be a lot worse but thankfully seem to have avoided the worst of this.


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  • #2011
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Hopefully we've just peaked. RIP to the 14 who lost their lives.

    Good to see numbers coming down though.


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