Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

1…103104106108109…333

Comments

  • #3152
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Yurt! wrote: »
    It would help if you knew what the word equivocation meant.

    You've been checkmated a couple of pages back Mort.
    I had to wait a while for that poor retort

    You dont understand sarcasm
    It might help if you didn't equivocate..
    Meanwhile any answers,was it Venezuelan prosecco perhaps that they were drinking..


  • #3153
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Irish times podcast around the time of the election. Quite frankly, the burden is on you with the 65k figure. That was plucked out of the air to beat SF over the head with. No such claims were made by SF so why bother even going there.

    And no, I won't be answering your questions, because you ask them in bad faith.

    I asked you three reasonably straight forward questions and you accuse me of bad faith?

    I wouldn't mind a link to that podcast if you have it. Even the 180k figure you recalled is way out of line for what the actual costings for DCC are.

    Using your figures and the DCC figures there's still a 150k gap in funding per unit. Multiply that out by 100k and you can see why I wouldn't mind the sources for your figures.

    And then you have to add in the cost of maintenance and the cost of renters who won't pay rent etc.

    I asked the questions in good faith, if you don't want to take the time to answer them that's fine.


  • #3154
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    More importantly, where has eoghan Murphy disappeared to? Last I heard he was self isolating but that was a few weeks ago.

    Someone gave him Lego ,he's still trying to figure out what to do with it


  • #3155
    Colonel Claptrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    She is risen.


  • #3156
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    Colonel Claptrap wrote: »
    She is risen.

    Amazing how much time you get off with a head cold. No wonder the scroungers love her.


  • Advertisement
  • #3157
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Sorry if this has already been answered, but what size were the proposed units? Family or single occupancy?

    Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

    The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

    509291.JPG

    I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.


  • #3158
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

    The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

    509291.JPG

    I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.

    I'm sure that podcast mentioned by Yurt will turn up any minute now.


  • #3159
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm sure that podcast mentioned by Yurt will turn up any minute now.


    Go find it yourself. You wont like what it has to say, because it completely contradicts your narrative.


    Oh dear.


  • #3160
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

    The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

    509291.JPG

    I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.


    Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.


  • #3161
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.

    Sorry, in what world does 100,000 units for €6.5 billion not work out at €65k?

    And if it's not €65k per unit which of the two figures from the SF manifesto is wrong?

    Are they not planning 100,000 homes or are they planning to spend more than €6.5 billion?


  • Advertisement
  • #3162
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Sorry, in what world does 100,000 units for €6.5 billion not work out at €65k?

    And if it's not €65k per unit which of the two figures from the SF manifesto is wrong?

    Are they not planning 100,000 homes or are they planning to spend more than €6.5 billion?


    An additional 6.5bn added to current spending commitments on social and affordable to reach 100k units over the stated period.



    This was covered exhaustively around the election on both traditional media an social media.


  • #3163
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Go find it yourself. You wont like what it has to say, because it completely contradicts your narrative.


    Oh dear.

    My narrative? I put forward an article saying DCC costs units of social housing at 330k each to build. You disagree but won't provide any basis for your disagreement except a podcast you half remember and can't or won't link. Even the figures you offered (between 130k and 180k are pretty far apart, and both are pretty far away from the figure DCC provided).

    give the link backing up your figures and I'll be happy to to accept a 180k build cost.


  • #3164
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.

    Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)


  • #3165
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    An additional 6.5bn added to current spending commitments on social and affordable to reach 100k units over the stated period.



    This was covered exhaustively around the election on both traditional media an social media.

    So exhaustively, you've yet to post a link?


  • #3166
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Deleted User wrote: »

    give the link backing up your figures and I'll be happy to to accept a 180k build cost.


    Not ars*d. You're wrong in any case. If the country's most notable housing economist is satisfied that the costings are realistic, so am I.

    Random punter throwing around concocted figures doesn't bother me in the slightest.


  • #3167
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    So exhaustively, you've yet to post a link?


    The podcast is out there, seriously not bothered. If you're interested go find it yourself. You know how this works.


  • #3168
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)


    It's actually Morning Ireland, so as not to send my friends on a wild goose chase I'll provide the link.


    https://soundcloud.com/morning-ireland/housing-what-does-change-look-like


    Lorcan Sirr takes you through it. The figures stack up sorry to tell you.


  • #3169
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The podcast is out there, seriously not bothered. If you're interested go find it yourself. You know how this works.

    I suppose one way to work out the marginal cost per unit, is to look at what the marginal build would be.

    If the €6.5 billion is additional, what proportion of 100,000 units is also additional?


  • #3170
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    I suppose in way to work out the marginal cost per unit, is to look at what the marginal build would be.

    If the €6.5 billion is additional, what proportion of 100,000 units is also additional?


    It's covered in the linked podcast. Half of the above unites are already budgeted for in the NDP.


  • #3171
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)

    Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling


  • Advertisement
  • #3172
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling

    Wow, that’s seems very cheap. That’s about half the national average?

    Edit: just checked. Average is 267k and average in Dublin in 433k!


  • #3173
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    It's covered in the linked podcast. Half of the above unites are already budgeted for in the NDP.


    NDP proposes...
    Deliver 112,000 new social houses by 2027

    Or about 12,500 units per year. Or 50,000 over 4 years, or 62,500 over 5 years.

    Bumping that to 100,000 means building between 37,500 and 50,000 extra units, giving a cost of unit of between about €175k and €130k

    Even at €175k per unit, how do you build a home?


  • #3174
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling

    Problem is SF have people convinced they can have their forever homes wherever they want.

    Plenty of affordable homes available, but people won't move to them.


  • #3175
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Problem is SF have people convinced they can have their forever homes wherever they want.

    Plenty of affordable homes available, but people won't move to them.


    The SF housing plan isn't a forever home charter in the least.


    That's political guff you're peddling.


    People should be able to discuss serious policy on serious issues without having that kind of stuff introduced.


  • #3176
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    The SF housing plan isn't a forever home charter in the least.


    That's political guff you're peddling.


    People should be able to discuss serious policy on serious issues without having that kind of stuff introduced.

    No comment on how to build a home for €170k.......


  • #3177
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    No comment on how to build a home for €170k.......


    You didn't listen to the podcast I take it...


  • #3178
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    all about the mane wrote: »
    Wow, that’s seems very cheap. That’s about half the national average?

    Edit: just checked. Average is 267k and average in Dublin in 433k!

    40 k from main county town, limited work in local industrial estate , used to be holiday home heaven but now the Nordies have f'all to spend either. Nice views and people which is a good point


  • #3179
    Sultan_of_Ping
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Yurt! wrote: »
    You didn't listen to the podcast I take it...

    Yes, and it didn't answer the question of how you build a home for €170k during what was then a surging economy


  • #3180
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    40 k from main county town, limited work in local industrial estate , used to be holiday home heaven but now the Nordies have f'all to spend either. Nice views and people which is a good point

    They should never have been allowed to build there. The countryside is destroyed.


  • Advertisement
  • #3181
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »
    Yes, and it didn't answer the question of how you build a home for €170k during what was then a surging economy


    I'm not spoonfeeding you. The costings and model of delivery are covered in the podcast. They are found to be credible by the country's number 1 economist on the subject. The figure you have above is your own concoction.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement