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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

Pkiernan

I haven't seen or heard anything from Mary Lou, Slab Murphy and other good Republicans in ages.

What's going on?

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Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

It would help if you knew what the word equivocation meant.

You've been checkmated a couple of pages back Mort.

I had to wait a while for that poor retort

You dont understand sarcasm
It might help if you didn't equivocate..
Meanwhile any answers,was it Venezuelan prosecco perhaps that they were drinking..

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

Irish times podcast around the time of the election. Quite frankly, the burden is on you with the 65k figure. That was plucked out of the air to beat SF over the head with. No such claims were made by SF so why bother even going there.

And no, I won't be answering your questions, because you ask them in bad faith.

I asked you three reasonably straight forward questions and you accuse me of bad faith?

I wouldn't mind a link to that podcast if you have it. Even the 180k figure you recalled is way out of line for what the actual costings for DCC are.

Using your figures and the DCC figures there's still a 150k gap in funding per unit. Multiply that out by 100k and you can see why I wouldn't mind the sources for your figures.

And then you have to add in the cost of maintenance and the cost of renters who won't pay rent etc.

I asked the questions in good faith, if you don't want to take the time to answer them that's fine.

RandomViewer

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

More importantly, where has eoghan Murphy disappeared to? Last I heard he was self isolating but that was a few weeks ago.

Someone gave him Lego ,he's still trying to figure out what to do with it

Colonel Claptrap

She is risen.

all about the mane

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

She is risen.

Amazing how much time you get off with a head cold. No wonder the scroungers love her.

Sultan_of_Ping

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry if this has already been answered, but what size were the proposed units? Family or single occupancy?

Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.

[Deleted User]

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.

I'm sure that podcast mentioned by Yurt will turn up any minute now.

Yurt2

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm sure that podcast mentioned by Yurt will turn up any minute now.

Go find it yourself. You wont like what it has to say, because it completely contradicts your narrative.

Oh dear.

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Their manifesto didn't specify what size would be provided, but you'd imagine there would be a good mix to cover different sized households?

The only manifesto commitment given by SF was for 100,000 homes costing €6.5billion

I think the only thing that's been debunked is that you can't build houses for €65k in Ireland.

Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.

Sorry, in what world does 100,000 units for €6.5 billion not work out at €65k?

And if it's not €65k per unit which of the two figures from the SF manifesto is wrong?

Are they not planning 100,000 homes or are they planning to spend more than €6.5 billion?

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Sorry, in what world does 100,000 units for €6.5 billion not work out at €65k?

And if it's not €65k per unit which of the two figures from the SF manifesto is wrong?

Are they not planning 100,000 homes or are they planning to spend more than €6.5 billion?

An additional 6.5bn added to current spending commitments on social and affordable to reach 100k units over the stated period.

This was covered exhaustively around the election on both traditional media an social media.

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

Go find it yourself. You wont like what it has to say, because it completely contradicts your narrative.

Oh dear.

My narrative? I put forward an article saying DCC costs units of social housing at 330k each to build. You disagree but won't provide any basis for your disagreement except a podcast you half remember and can't or won't link. Even the figures you offered (between 130k and 180k are pretty far apart, and both are pretty far away from the figure DCC provided).

give the link backing up your figures and I'll be happy to to accept a 180k build cost.

Mortelaro

Yurt! wrote: »

Covered over and over. SF never claimed 65k will build a new unit.

Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

An additional 6.5bn added to current spending commitments on social and affordable to reach 100k units over the stated period.

This was covered exhaustively around the election on both traditional media an social media.

So exhaustively, you've yet to post a link?

Yurt2

Deleted User wrote: »

give the link backing up your figures and I'll be happy to to accept a 180k build cost.

Not ars*d. You're wrong in any case. If the country's most notable housing economist is satisfied that the costings are realistic, so am I.

Random punter throwing around concocted figures doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

So exhaustively, you've yet to post a link?

The podcast is out there, seriously not bothered. If you're interested go find it yourself. You know how this works.

Yurt2

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)

It's actually Morning Ireland, so as not to send my friends on a wild goose chase I'll provide the link.

https://soundcloud.com/morning-ireland/housing-what-does-change-look-like

Lorcan Sirr takes you through it. The figures stack up sorry to tell you.

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

The podcast is out there, seriously not bothered. If you're interested go find it yourself. You know how this works.

I suppose one way to work out the marginal cost per unit, is to look at what the marginal build would be.

If the €6.5 billion is additional, what proportion of 100,000 units is also additional?

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

I suppose in way to work out the marginal cost per unit, is to look at what the marginal build would be.

If the €6.5 billion is additional, what proportion of 100,000 units is also additional?

It's covered in the linked podcast. Half of the above unites are already budgeted for in the NDP.

RandomViewer

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh ? Where would the other 14 billion come from to build the rest of the 100k houses ? (Assuming a cost of 200k per unit)

Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling

all about the mane

RandomViewer wrote: »

Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling

Wow, that’s seems very cheap. That’s about half the national average?

Edit: just checked. Average is 267k and average in Dublin in 433k!

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

It's covered in the linked podcast. Half of the above unites are already budgeted for in the NDP.

NDP proposes...

Deliver 112,000 new social houses by 2027

Or about 12,500 units per year. Or 50,000 over 4 years, or 62,500 over 5 years.

Bumping that to 100,000 means building between 37,500 and 50,000 extra units, giving a cost of unit of between about €175k and €130k

Even at €175k per unit, how do you build a home?

Sultan_of_Ping

RandomViewer wrote: »

Sound a bit high, no view, 3 bed box,110 k going rate for house round here and they aren't selling

Problem is SF have people convinced they can have their forever homes wherever they want.

Plenty of affordable homes available, but people won't move to them.

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Problem is SF have people convinced they can have their forever homes wherever they want.

Plenty of affordable homes available, but people won't move to them.

The SF housing plan isn't a forever home charter in the least.

That's political guff you're peddling.

People should be able to discuss serious policy on serious issues without having that kind of stuff introduced.

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

The SF housing plan isn't a forever home charter in the least.

That's political guff you're peddling.

People should be able to discuss serious policy on serious issues without having that kind of stuff introduced.

No comment on how to build a home for €170k.......

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

No comment on how to build a home for €170k.......

You didn't listen to the podcast I take it...

RandomViewer

all about the mane wrote: »

Wow, that’s seems very cheap. That’s about half the national average?

Edit: just checked. Average is 267k and average in Dublin in 433k!

40 k from main county town, limited work in local industrial estate , used to be holiday home heaven but now the Nordies have f'all to spend either. Nice views and people which is a good point

Sultan_of_Ping

Yurt! wrote: »

You didn't listen to the podcast I take it...

Yes, and it didn't answer the question of how you build a home for €170k during what was then a surging economy

all about the mane

RandomViewer wrote: »

40 k from main county town, limited work in local industrial estate , used to be holiday home heaven but now the Nordies have f'all to spend either. Nice views and people which is a good point

They should never have been allowed to build there. The countryside is destroyed.

Yurt2

Sultan_of_Ping wrote: »

Yes, and it didn't answer the question of how you build a home for €170k during what was then a surging economy

I'm not spoonfeeding you. The costings and model of delivery are covered in the podcast. They are found to be credible by the country's number 1 economist on the subject. The figure you have above is your own concoction.