Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Stheno wrote: »

I've not done any studies

I've merely pointed out that there are no definitive figures for the true rarity rate yet

Wait a year or so and the data will be there and validated

And calm down you sound almost hysterical, our hospital system is not paralysed as of yet

You're actually sounding increasingly trollish with your "calm down" admonitions.
I have been nothing but civil and pleasant. Please provide evidence otherwise.

I'm actually surprised you're a mod here. I see at least one other person has expressed a similar sentiment.

I agree there are no definitive figures for its rarity. That's why i asked you if a twelvefold discrepancy in the denominators (because that's what it is) is believable. I haven't received an answer from you.

I find a twelvefold difference in denominators less believable and compelling than the reality of politicians shutting down their precious economies and paralysed hospital systems. Probably something more compelling behind that i'd say.

Did i say our hospital system specifically is currently paralysed (only not currently paralysed because of severe mitigation).
Many hospital systems have been. Are you in denial about this.

We'll see how it pans out (with severe mitigation and a bit of luck maybe not so badly)

Lackey wrote: »

I don't agree with predicted grades either but were you born 40?
They are young, this is the probably best year of their life so far,
last year at school with their mates Grad night, pre debs, LC, Debs, LC holiday, earning their own money, College/apprenticeships etc..
if you can't remember being young (or are pretending not to)at least try have a bit of empathy.
You cant put an old head on young shoulders, and you shouldn't want to.

It was only 9 years ago I did my Leaving Cert so I don’t think I’m considered old yet. The leaving cert is being held a month or two later it’s not major, in the grand scheme of things. I would like to think I have empathy but I don’t think what’s happening with the leaving cert is worse case scenario. They’ve full marks in their orals and are now getting the chance to take their leaving cert a bit later. It’s as fair as they can make it in the current circumstances.

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

And the reason they have so many deaths is ?

Because they have multiple times the population of European countries? Of course that means more deaths.

On a per capita basis the US isnt the worst by any measure.

Dr Birx said that other day that they had done 750,000 tests in a week. Is that not a lot?

Deleted User wrote: »

Vaccines and herd immunity might not be real options. Hard eradication looks like it would work. Lockdown s are already in place, why not go the whole hog:

Some patients who recover from COVID-19 develop very few antibodies, a new early-stage study suggests, raising questions over the development of a vaccine and whether people get lasting immunity.

Nearly a third of 175 patients studied produced low antibody levels. In 10 people, antibody levels were so low they could not be detected. https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEAyfi_G51wDeK5hd3WxYPpIqGQgEKhAIACoHCAowgNjvCjCC3s8BML6jmwY?hl=en-AU&gl=AU&ceid=AU%3Aen

Interestingly, the levels of antibodies patients produced seemed to correlate with their ages: Middle-aged and elderly recovered patients had higher levels of antibodies. Nine of the 10 of the patients who did not develop detectable levels of coronavirus antibodies were 40 years old or younger.

8% — didn’t have any detectable coronavirus antibodies in their systems.

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-recovered-coronavirus-patients-antibodies-2020-4?amp=&r=AU&IR=T

Alarmist nonsense. If you were infected and the infection was beaten, you produced antibodies to counter the virus. It doesnt disappear on its own. People with weaker infections, i.e. the majority of cases, will produce much less antibodies versus someone with a severe infection. So if you do antibody tests on a sample of recovered people, of course you will see a huge range of amount of antibodies. Trying to equate all that as some kind of immunity proof virus is extremely bad science.

Oh and by the way the 8% with no detectable antibodies actually means the levels were below the limit of detection (we dont know what the limit of detection is, but it is not 0) if you read the study, not that they never produced any antibodies at all.

Dave Cullen seems too have embraced the conspiracy nonsense....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inKMJnRu4zU

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

But that would mean Kermits graph was nonsense. The US may well have tested more than anyone else.

The high numbers only matter when it comes to deaths apparently. In that case, population isn't taken into account. When it comes to the large number of tests being done, then suddenly population does matter after all though so its not as positive.