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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1202
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    easypazz wrote: »
    They don't want to be comparing themselves to the island next door that is doing way better than them.

    They 'locked' down before Ireland.
    They have a larger population and density than Ireland.
    First case in Northern Ireland came into the country via Dublin airport.

    Sorry.


  • #1203
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    "Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.

    The 2nd paragraph in that piece. So no facts... a few maybes and we don't know.

    Yes we don't know, so it doesn't mean a negative is a negative. Even pregnancy tests can give false negatives.


  • #1204
    easypazz
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    They 'locked' down before Ireland.
    They have a larger population and density than Ireland.
    First case in Northern Ireland came into the country via Dublin airport.

    Sorry.

    Their death rate per 100000 people is an awful lot worse than ours.

    We are doing a lot better than them.

    Sorry.


  • #1205
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,506 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here


  • #1206
    fullstop
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I'd say that alright :pac::D


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  • #1207
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    easypazz wrote: »
    Their death rate per 100000 people is an awful lot worse than ours.

    We are doing a lot better than them.

    Sorry.

    Population density matters. Look up the population of London and then get back to me.


  • #1208
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    weldoninhio wrote:
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.
    gabeeg wrote:
    Well you're not going to enjoy this source so

    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on one report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.


  • #1209
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?


  • #1210
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    Is the number of deaths per 1 million even reliable? Is each country recording the deaths in the exact same manner? My understanding is that Ireland are including those deaths in nursing homes whereas other countries are not.


  • #1211
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here



    Why is that number reliable? We are testing more than they are. We would be well "below" them if we hadn't sent off tests to Germany.


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  • #1212
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    And Supervalu

    They are closed here, they are franchisees so maybe the owner of your local one is a greedy git.


  • #1213
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    US2 wrote: »
    We are failing miserably. A month now since social distancing, pubs schools close and still increase in cases every night. We are on course to be the worst affected country in the world


    Very few (if any) countries at the stage we're at (after the first case reported) that isn't reporting an increase in cases.


    As for ourselves being on course to be the worst affected country, that's just ridiculous.


  • #1214
    Tea Shock
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    sterz wrote: »
    Is the number of deaths per 1 million even reliable? Is each country recording the deaths in the exact same manner? My understanding is that Ireland are including those deaths in nursing homes whereas other countries are not.

    I trust the US numbers a heck of alot more tha than the UK numbers. My own aunt died in the UK on Monday last and I don't believe she's in their numbers. In the US, if anything states will OVER report numbers in order to get more access to federal resources.


  • #1215
    weldoninhio
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    coastwatch wrote: »
    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS

    I’ve no way of confirming it. She’s a doctor, she’s been tested. That’s what she told me. I’ve no reason to distrust her. And no idea why she’d lie about it.


  • #1216
    Away With The Fairies
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on one report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.

    Do you really need reports from China?

    I know someone who came back from a hot spot, got symptoms, was tested and received a negative. This was someone who works in healthcare and ignored the negative result and continued isolation.


  • #1217
    Dank Janniels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    Lads ye all need to chillax the kax! Sinn Fein +Conor McGregor have got this sorted!!


  • #1218
    Ace2007
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    macmahon wrote: »
    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?

    No idea, but most companies ask employees to ensure there is enough cover come the second half of the year, would make sense for nurses to do this now as well, in case it gets worse, and also to ensure there is enough cover in hospitals in the second half of the year.


  • #1219
    saabsaab
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    macmahon wrote: »
    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?


    Now, of all times? I doubt it but maybe someone knows here?


  • #1220
    BoatMad
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    Why is that number reliable? We are testing more than they are. We would be well "below" them if we hadn't sent off tests to Germany.

    Err dead people don’t need testing , that’s why I’m using deaths not tests


  • #1221
    bekker
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Whatever.
    1.8M+ legally, if they so choose.


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  • #1222
    bekker
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on on report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.
    Please quote just one peer reviewed article on COVID-19.


  • #1223
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭1641


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I simply said it needs investigation. People are very quick to sign DNRs these days.


    I would be interested in knowing more about this. Is there any data or reputable report?
    My own anecdotal evidence from relatives and acquaintances is that people agonise deeply about accepting it on behalf of a family member.
    I am intersted personally as I am considering an advance care directive. My biggest concern is that doctors and professional medicine generally is over-fixated on interventions to "prolong life", as this is what they are trained to do. While in many situations what they are actually doing is "prolonging death". I want to live as long as I can - in reasonable health, hopefully. I do not want pointless (and frightening) resuscitation when I am approaching death anyway.


  • #1224
    weisses
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    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Jesus. Get a life!

    Well its Easter ..so you are kinda correct


  • #1225
    owlbethere
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    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here

    The residents of nursing homes are more susceptible to the virus. Once in got in to nursing home, the nursing home deaths would slightly skew things.

    If anyone is interested in working out a maths solution for me, I think that would be good.

    Is there anywhere to find out how many people or residents are in nursing homes? Like before the virus started hitting them. Like maybe would the census provide that information.

    If theres a figure for that, that can be subtracted from Irelands population number.

    Then we take our total number of death cases and we know 54% of deaths are from nursing homes.
    That would leave 46% of deaths from the general population.

    If anyone would like to figure out the head of population from that, if there's any way.


  • #1226
    gabeeg
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    The residents of nursing homes are more susceptible to the virus. Once in got in to nursing home, the nursing home deaths would slightly skew things.

    If anyone is interested in working out a maths solution for me, I think that wou3 be good.

    Is there anywhere to find out how many people or residents are in nursing homes? Like before the virus started hitting them. Like maybe would the census provide that information.

    If theres a figure for that, that can be subtracted from Irelands population number.

    Then we take our total number of cases and we know 54% of deaths are from nursing homes.
    That would leave 46% of deaths from the general population.


    If anyone would like to figure out the head of population from that, if there's any way.

    How do we know that?


  • #1227
    [Deleted User]
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    michellie wrote: »
    To your man earlier who wanted to set off a load of lanterns with his neighbours. THIS is what happens


    http://imgur.com/gallery/eRs5NRE

    The same poster was talking about heading to their holiday home two weeks ago and other style of posts since, a WUM


  • #1228
    [Deleted User]
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    Dank Janniels wrote: »
    Lads ye all need to chillax the kax! Sinn Fein +Conor McGregor have got this sorted!!

    McGregor donated a million of his own money and seems genuinely interested in helping out during this crisis. Fair play to him i say.


  • #1229
    fullstop
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    sterz wrote: »
    Is the number of deaths per 1 million even reliable? Is each country recording the deaths in the exact same manner? My understanding is that Ireland are including those deaths in nursing homes whereas other countries are not.

    The numbers are not even remotely reliable. Worldometer has Ireland listed as having more Covid-19 deaths than Ecuador.

    In Ecuador people are leaving bodies to rot in the streets because they have nowhere to put them. But we're doing worse than them, apparently.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/world/americas/ecuador-coronavirus.html


  • #1230
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Wow that light in the window ****e is a joke. **** off. Some actually enjoying this lockdown crap.

    I had a great day. :)

    In the garden with the kids all day and then cracking open a bottle of wine at around four. Sitting in the sun probably getting burned because of my too short DIY Polish brickie style haircut. Bliss ;)


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  • #1231
    caveat emptor
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    1641 wrote: »
    I would be interested in knowing more about this. Is there any data or reputable report?
    My own anecdotal evidence from relatives and acquaintances is that people agonise deeply about accepting it on behalf of a family member.
    I am intersted personally as I am considering an advance care directive. My biggest concern is that doctors and professional medicine generally is over-fixated on interventions to "prolong life", as this is what they are trained to do. While in many situations what they are actually doing is "prolonging death". I want to live as long as I can - in reasonable health, hopefully. I do not want pointless (and frightening) resuscitation when I am approaching death anyway.

    Thanks for broaching the subject. I can only speak from personal experience where family members were in debt and a relative would endow a significant inheritance on their death. There are clear conflicts of interests which AFAIK are not taken into account.

    I suppose it's up to the person. It becomes difficult when faculties are failing and power of attorney is granted.

    I don't know. I hope it's not the case. I'd be interested to see the data too. I think there is an opinion that it is a death sentence. It certainly is if no medical treatment rendered.


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