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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #1202
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    1641 wrote: »
    Just the highlighted points. It did not take that long to explain the numbers. It took quite a while for a few people to grasp the explanation. It took quite a while longer for those who did not want to accept the explanation - those determined to show that there is a "cover-up" or keen to present everything in the most negative light. There have been some of these around here from the start and they still pop up. So yes, they have turned talking about numbers into a sport - on here anyway.


    Regarding nursing homes. I have no doubt that there may be some older people in nursing homes who have relatives keen to get at the inheritance. As there are with older people at home. But to suggest that this is the general and pervasive situation is offensive and insulting to most of those who have relatives in nursing homes - and to those who have lost family members in nursing homes during this crisis.



    I know of nowhere that has a clear exit strategy (short of a vaccine). Some countries have put tentative opening into place. But it is tentative and it is, in a way, an experiment. They and we do not know how the infection rate will respond. Luckily some are further along the curve than us so we should be able to learn from them.

    .

    Needs investigation. We don’t know. It’s not all lollipops in the land of inheritance. I didn’t suggest pervasive or general. Thanks for mischaracterising.


  • #1203
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,801 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Wow that light in the window ****e is a joke. **** off. Some actually enjoying this lockdown crap.

    You always have to see the absolute worst in everything, don't you? ffs :rolleyes:


  • #1204
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I believe it

    Read something yesterday or the day before that South Korea only regards a patient as having recovered when they test negative twice and at least 24 hours apart


  • #1205
    davemckenna25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html

    "Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.

    The 2nd paragraph in that piece. So no facts... a few maybes and we don't know.


  • #1206
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    Where are all these accounts coming from? Posters with less than 200 posts in 10 years.

    If you have an issue with a post or poster report it and the mods will have a look

    On your specific question, it's common sense to me. A lot of people who have drifted away from the site now have a topic they want to discuss. Same as loads of people signing up in the past few months

    Do not respond to this post in-thread


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  • #1207
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    coastwatch wrote: »
    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS

    Well you're not going to enjoy this source so

    https://www.livescience.com/covid19-coronavirus-tests-false-negatives.html


  • #1208
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    easypazz wrote: »
    They don't want to be comparing themselves to the island next door that is doing way better than them.

    They 'locked' down before Ireland.
    They have a larger population and density than Ireland.
    First case in Northern Ireland came into the country via Dublin airport.

    Sorry.


  • #1209
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    davemckenna25 wrote: »
    "Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.

    The 2nd paragraph in that piece. So no facts... a few maybes and we don't know.

    Yes we don't know, so it doesn't mean a negative is a negative. Even pregnancy tests can give false negatives.


  • #1210
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    They 'locked' down before Ireland.
    They have a larger population and density than Ireland.
    First case in Northern Ireland came into the country via Dublin airport.

    Sorry.

    Their death rate per 100000 people is an awful lot worse than ours.

    We are doing a lot better than them.

    Sorry.


  • #1211
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here


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  • #1212
    fullstop
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.

    I'd say that alright :pac::D


  • #1213
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    easypazz wrote: »
    Their death rate per 100000 people is an awful lot worse than ours.

    We are doing a lot better than them.

    Sorry.

    Population density matters. Look up the population of London and then get back to me.


  • #1214
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    weldoninhio wrote:
    A doctor I work with was telling me that there are 30% false negatives from the tests we use.
    gabeeg wrote:
    Well you're not going to enjoy this source so

    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on one report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.


  • #1215
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?


  • #1216
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    Is the number of deaths per 1 million even reliable? Is each country recording the deaths in the exact same manner? My understanding is that Ireland are including those deaths in nursing homes whereas other countries are not.


  • #1217
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here



    Why is that number reliable? We are testing more than they are. We would be well "below" them if we hadn't sent off tests to Germany.


  • #1218
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    And Supervalu

    They are closed here, they are franchisees so maybe the owner of your local one is a greedy git.


  • #1219
    Achasanai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Achasanai


    US2 wrote: »
    We are failing miserably. A month now since social distancing, pubs schools close and still increase in cases every night. We are on course to be the worst affected country in the world


    Very few (if any) countries at the stage we're at (after the first case reported) that isn't reporting an increase in cases.


    As for ourselves being on course to be the worst affected country, that's just ridiculous.


  • #1220
    Tea Shock
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 345 ✭✭Tea Shock


    sterz wrote: »
    Is the number of deaths per 1 million even reliable? Is each country recording the deaths in the exact same manner? My understanding is that Ireland are including those deaths in nursing homes whereas other countries are not.

    I trust the US numbers a heck of alot more tha than the UK numbers. My own aunt died in the UK on Monday last and I don't believe she's in their numbers. In the US, if anything states will OVER report numbers in order to get more access to federal resources.


  • #1221
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    coastwatch wrote: »
    I cant belive that, I'd say it's complete BS

    I’ve no way of confirming it. She’s a doctor, she’s been tested. That’s what she told me. I’ve no reason to distrust her. And no idea why she’d lie about it.


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  • #1222
    Away With The Fairies
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on one report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.

    Do you really need reports from China?

    I know someone who came back from a hot spot, got symptoms, was tested and received a negative. This was someone who works in healthcare and ignored the negative result and continued isolation.


  • #1223
    Dank Janniels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    Lads ye all need to chillax the kax! Sinn Fein +Conor McGregor have got this sorted!!


  • #1224
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    macmahon wrote: »
    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?

    No idea, but most companies ask employees to ensure there is enough cover come the second half of the year, would make sense for nurses to do this now as well, in case it gets worse, and also to ensure there is enough cover in hospitals in the second half of the year.


  • #1225
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    macmahon wrote: »
    Is it true that nurses, all around Ireland, are being asked to take annual leave?


    Now, of all times? I doubt it but maybe someone knows here?


  • #1226
    BoatMad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Christy42 wrote: »
    Why is that number reliable? We are testing more than they are. We would be well "below" them if we hadn't sent off tests to Germany.

    Err dead people don’t need testing , that’s why I’m using deaths not tests


  • #1227
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Whatever.
    1.8M+ legally, if they so choose.


  • #1228
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Three people have posted the same link. Its unsubstantiated and not peer reviewed.

    Based on on report from China. It didn't even say what platform they used.
    Please quote just one peer reviewed article on COVID-19.


  • #1229
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I simply said it needs investigation. People are very quick to sign DNRs these days.


    I would be interested in knowing more about this. Is there any data or reputable report?
    My own anecdotal evidence from relatives and acquaintances is that people agonise deeply about accepting it on behalf of a family member.
    I am intersted personally as I am considering an advance care directive. My biggest concern is that doctors and professional medicine generally is over-fixated on interventions to "prolong life", as this is what they are trained to do. While in many situations what they are actually doing is "prolonging death". I want to live as long as I can - in reasonable health, hopefully. I do not want pointless (and frightening) resuscitation when I am approaching death anyway.


  • #1230
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Jesus. Get a life!

    Well its Easter ..so you are kinda correct


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  • #1231
    owlbethere
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    BoatMad wrote: »
    Looking at worldometer and the number of deaths per 1million pop , Ireland is worse then the USA , which is a bit worrying , none of the other numbers are reliable so I don’t rate comparisons using them

    We’re well down from the uk and Spain Italy and France etc , but still rather worrying given our pop density and spatial separation here

    The residents of nursing homes are more susceptible to the virus. Once in got in to nursing home, the nursing home deaths would slightly skew things.

    If anyone is interested in working out a maths solution for me, I think that would be good.

    Is there anywhere to find out how many people or residents are in nursing homes? Like before the virus started hitting them. Like maybe would the census provide that information.

    If theres a figure for that, that can be subtracted from Irelands population number.

    Then we take our total number of death cases and we know 54% of deaths are from nursing homes.
    That would leave 46% of deaths from the general population.

    If anyone would like to figure out the head of population from that, if there's any way.


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