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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #932
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    We're in the top 10 for deaths per capita... where do we need to be, before you think we're doing sh!t? Top 5? Top 3?

    You are one of those people, who needs to wake the f*ck up!

    If others counted all covid deaths including nursing or care homes you'd see how really **** they're doing.


  • #933
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    declanflynn wrote: »
    how do we compare to other countries on numbers in ICU beds?

    That is by far the best comparison. Especially western countries. Third world countries ICU numbers wouldn't be reliable either. Saw a report on Ecuador last night. No ICU for thousands in that country. Dead bodies all over the streets.


  • #934
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kalkat2002 wrote: »
    Apologies I wasn't referring you..I just explained my behaviour ..but a lot of people doing it and is not an assumption

    No problem.

    Not really sure if a lot of people are doing this, some might be but they would be the minority.
    However I am glad that I live in a rural area as I would probably be in prison already for strangling a member of the residents association before this even hit.


  • #935
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Wii776 wrote: »
    I'm curious. How are they in anyway different? Person A has virus, passes to person B,C,D,E. They go on to pass it on etc. You can understand that, yes?
    Why would the hypothetical person A on a plane or ferry in my example be any different ? Do you think that contact tracing will prevent spread? There are stories on these threads from people working in GP practices of Covid positive patients popping into shops and others of the travelling to post letters. Contact tracing is a nonsense.

    You're asking me how is "MANY" different to "SINGLE" ???

    And how "unaware" is different to "aware" ???


  • #936
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,530 ✭✭✭boardise


    Seamai wrote: »
    I can think of another 4 letter word for her and it's not minx. I'll give you a clue, it starts with C

    Aah , gotcha ... chit !


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  • #937
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That's not good.

    30% false results is really sh!t.


  • #938
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    SnrInfant wrote: »
    I live out the country where there is about 5 other houses.
    A house next door to me was bought by Nua Healthcare and renovated.
    Since they took over, there are about 10 cars parked in the garden next door and people coming and going all the time.
    Since the lockdown, I've seen about 5 adult men playing football every day with loud music blaring constantly.
    There is no social distancing there what so ever.
    I'm home with my two small children and am sick to death of the noise at this stage! I moved to the country to get away from **** like this.
    Who should I ring, guards or Nua Healthcare?

    If the 5 adult men live in the house, then they are doing nothing wrong. Maybe shout over to them the next time and ask them. Like people can have BBQ play football etc in their own property if they live together.


  • #939
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Tried it once as I said, three week delay (let's call it that) at the time and they cancelled on the morning of the delivery.

    Dad is healthy and fit for his age and as my sister still has to go to work anyway they decided not to try and take up slots for people that might actually need them.

    Other problem is Tesco only substitute bread, milk and a few other items.

    Order clonakilty sausages for example and if they don't have them you don't get an alternative, so you might have to go to store anyway.


  • #940
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    joe_99 wrote: »
    That is by far the best comparison. Especially western countries. Third world countries ICU numbers wouldn't be reliable either. Saw a report on Ecuador last night. No ICU for thousands in that country. Dead bodies all over the streets.

    Just seen that report. Shocking.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsfjnRB-uA


  • #941
    Be right back
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,345 ✭✭✭Be right back


    SnrInfant wrote: »
    I live out the country where there is about 5 other houses.
    A house next door to me was bought by Nua Healthcare and renovated.
    Since they took over, there are about 10 cars parked in the garden next door and people coming and going all the time.
    Since the lockdown, I've seen about 5 adult men playing football every day with loud music blaring constantly.
    There is no social distancing there what so ever.
    I'm home with my two small children and am sick to death of the noise at this stage! I moved to the country to get away from **** like this.
    Who should I ring, guards or Nua Healthcare?


    I'm sure they would turn down the music if you asked?


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  • #942
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249038035251068928?s=19

    When you remove the German results.

    The percentage of patients requiring ICU is slightly up today but the trend is still very much downwards.

    People reading way too much into the case numbers when including the German results. As much as alot of people want to think we're in such an awful position, the hospitals are coping very well. And all trends are still downwards. Look at the stats before sensationalising


  • #943
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,329 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    If the 5 adult men live in the house, then they are doing nothing wrong. Maybe shout over to them the next time and ask them. Like people can have BBQ play football etc in their own property if they live together.

    The people 'coming and going all the time' would be 100% against the restrictions. You are not supposed to enter another person's house during the lockdown, not even that of a parent or sibling.


  • #944
    rosiem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    We're in the top 10 for deaths per capita... where do we need to be, before you think we're doing sh!t? Top 5? Top 3?

    You are one of those people, who needs to wake the f*ck up!

    I think you need to take a breath and calm down you are getting worked up over the wrong stats you need to be watching hospital admissions and ICU numbers we are doing ok getting so worked up won’t help you.


  • #945
    nj27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    I wouldn't be surprised if there are already more than 50,000 cases in Ireland based on reported mortality rates from South Korea who conducted over 140,000 tests. The tragic spike in deaths among the elderly in nursing homes is much more of a cause for concern in my opinion than the daily drip feeding of tests results from weeks ago. The lockdown will reap rewards in the future, but unfortunately for a lot of people future prizes come second to instant gratification.


  • #946
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/datavizireland/status/1249038035251068928?s=19

    When you remove the German results.

    The percentage of patients requiring ICU is slightly up today but the trend is still very much downwards.

    People reading way too much into the case numbers when including the German results. As much as alot of people want to think we're in such an awful position, the hospitals are coping very well. And all trends are still downwards. Look at the stats before sensationalising

    Graphs like that won't suit the lockdown until Christmas brigade.


  • #947
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Sorry. Rte had a thing on the website and Chinese latterns are on it so apologies but I am no idiot. They look amazing and will tonight wfen released

    Idiotic


  • #948
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    keynes wrote: »
    Given Italy has one of the oldest populations in Europe and Ireland has one of the youngest, our death rate is horribly high

    Not at all in perspective. https://countrymeters.info/en/Ireland


  • #949
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Strazdas wrote: »
    The people 'coming and going all the time' would be 100% against the restrictions. You are not supposed to enter another person's house during the lockdown, not even that of a parent or sibling.

    While that is true, he only talked about lockdown after that ramble, like he didn't say during lockdown 10 people are coming and going all the time,

    Be odd to put in the football part after the lockdown part, why not just put the lockdown part at the beginning of the sentence.


  • #950
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    extra gravy wrote: »
    I don't get this obsession with comparing our numbers to the numbers in other countries. What does it matter? It's not a competition and it's not going to change anything.

    Because it's the best barometer we have, to show how good/bad our country is doing... and it could change things, if the right people took these stats seriously and reacted accordingly!

    The people who don't see the value in it, mostly just want to stick their collective heads in the sand and pretend we're doing great.

    Our deaths are far too high for such a small sparsely populated Island on the edge of Europe. Looking at deaths per capita clearly reveals this, and is a useful (if slightly depressing) metric! We need to do much better!

    Plenty of people trying to dismiss these stats - but they can't be dismissed.


  • #951
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,642 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    easypazz wrote: »
    Graphs like that won't suit the lockdown until Christmas brigade.

    They generally tend to ignore any form of good news. They are so invested in horrific outcomes for everyone that Its fingers in ears territory at this stage


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  • #952
    Be right back
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    Strazdas wrote: »
    The people 'coming and going all the time' would be 100% against the restrictions. You are not supposed to enter another person's house during the lockdown, not even that of a parent or sibling.

    If it's a Nua healthcare building, then I imagine it's staff going in and out.


  • #953
    deaglan1
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  • #954
    KiKi III
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    easypazz wrote: »
    Graphs like that won't suit the lockdown until Christmas brigade.

    I'm one of the "lockdown for as long as is necessary" brigade, if you want to call it that.

    I'm absolutely thrilled with that data. It shows the restrictions are working, and the better we stick to them the sooner they will be lifted.


  • #955
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    nj27 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if there are already more than 50,000 cases in Ireland based on reported mortality rates from South Korea who conducted over 140,000 tests. The tragic spike in deaths among the elderly in nursing homes is much more of a cause for concern in my opinion than the daily drip feeding of tests results from weeks ago. The lockdown will reap rewards in the future, but unfortunately for a lot of people future prizes come second to instant gratification.

    South Korea's mortality rate is 2%. Ireland's is 3%. Going off that then we have about 15,600 cases, 6-7000 unrecorded cases. Our level of testing is almost the exact same as South Korea, at around 10,000 tests per million citizens. Irelands rate is slightly higher, in fact

    Ireland has 25th highest level of testing per capita in the world excluding microstates


  • #956
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KiKi III wrote: »
    I'm one of the "lockdown for as long as is necessary" brigade, if you want to call it that.

    I'm absolutely thrilled with that data. It shows the restrictions are working, and the better we stick to them the sooner they will be lifted.

    Also keep in mind that anyone going into hosptial picked up the virus quite possibly about 2 weeks ago just before lockdown. We wont see any figures from our restrictions for the last 2 weeks until probably the end of next week.


  • #957
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    The Home Secretary said 334,974 Covid-19 tests have been carried out across the UK, with 78,991 people testing positive.

    She misspoke and said 300 thousand 34 and 974, instead of 334 thousand 974. I think that is all.


  • #958
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    We had our first case Feb 29th.
    We had first covid death about 2 weeks later. March 11.

    Italy had first case Jan 31st.
    Italy had first death about 3 weeks later. Feb 22.

    3 weeks after first death in Ireland we recorded 71 dead from covid. 31 March.

    Less than 2 weeks after first death in Italy they recorded 79 dead with covid. March 2.

    Both countries are about 5 weeks along their covid timeline at this point.


    2 weeks after recording 79 dead we record 321 dead with covid. April 11.

    2 weeks after recording 79 dead Italy recorded 3000 dead with covid. March 18.

    Italy has 10 times our population. 3000 there is the proportional equivalent of 300 here. They were in fact recording much fewer deaths from covid than us, before.




    April 11 20000 dead recorded with covid Italy.


    We will not have the same numbers as Italy as we simply do not have the population, or the population density. We also did not have that super spreader football match that Bergamo had.

    But 1 month before where they are now, we are recording similar numbers of deaths from covid proportionally as they did if our timelines started on the same day.
    So we have zero room for complacency. In my opinion.

    (I do not mind those timelines being shot to bits for misinterpretation of how things are going. In fact I would like it.)


  • #959
    KiKi III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Gynoid wrote: »
    We had our first case Feb 29th.
    We had first covid death about 2 weeks later. March 11.

    That was quite hard to follow.

    But in terms of Ireland vs Italy, I think our major advantage is that the extra few weeks gave us time to realise what we were facing. Because it fell in January - the end of their normal flu season - lots of cases of COVID19 were misdiagnosed as flu in the early days allowing it to circulate further and infect healthcare staff.

    By the time it got here, doctors at least knew what they were facing.


  • #960
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    They generally tend to ignore any form of good news. They are so invested in horrific outcomes for everyone that Its fingers in ears territory at this stage

    Good new is tomorrow forecast ,cloudy and rainy day


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  • #961
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    rosiem wrote: »
    I think you need to take a breath and calm down you are getting worked up over the wrong stats you need to be watching hospital admissions and ICU numbers we are doing ok getting so worked up won’t help you.

    I can never understand how anyone can decide that someone is "worked up" by looking at words on a screen?? :confused:

    You know nothing about me, so don't presume that I am "worked up"... I am very calm and not really a worrier or someone with anxiety issues. But anyone who is not concerned about where we're headed, very much has their head in the sand right now!

    Perhaps you and others are not worked up enough, about our current death toll... which is very high compared with many other countries. Perhaps you have become desensitized to the large amount of deaths we are experiencing??


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