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Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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  • #812
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    lbj666 wrote: »
    But we are showing no signs of an increase to anywhere near that...yet. Its been around the 30 mark for the last week, rising slightly.

    my real point is that everyone tut tutting at italy and criticising their lockdown attempts and slow response - it may become apparent that most countries have ****ed up the response, or that this thing is just really really hard to control and that a lot of countries will end up with similar death rates to italy. likely a combination of both.


  • #813
    Deep Thought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    We still have no idea when these new cases were tested.

    If like people are saying that waiting on results for up to 18 days , these new cases are from before the lockdown.

    The number of people waiting for tests will tell us how well it’s working, and would be good to know how many tests doctors are ordering

    Likewise, I would hope deaths are reported immediately, but if they are under pressure, they could have been from 3 days ago.

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



  • #814
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Is there an argument to be made for reporting Nursing home deaths and cases separately, because realistically lock down measure will be having little to no affect on them?

    They are prone to be clusters..


  • #815
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    i think everyone should be wearing a mask outside now.

    or use a scarf.


  • #816
    Deep Thought
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭Deep Thought


    froog wrote: »
    my real point is that everyone tut tutting at italy and criticising their lockdown attempts and slow response - it may become apparent that most countries have ****ed up the response, or that this thing is just really really hard to control and that a lot of countries will end up with similar death rates to italy. likely a combination of both.

    So how did New Zealand or South Korea do it?

    The narrower a man’s mind, the broader his statements.



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  • #817
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,541 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    figure of 553 represents the largest number of new cases reported in a single day since the start of the outbreak
    but when were those tests taken? https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/28cb70-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-11/


  • #818
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,541 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Ivy Big Looter wrote: »
    How are new cases still rising after 2 weeks lockdown?
    nursing homes


  • #819
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    Ya well be here all summer with this sh1t -the only thing that has changed in this country is the pubs are closed.key worker thing is a joke most people are still working


  • #820
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No they didn't. It's also widely believed their numbers are undercooked. Not necessarily intentionally, just their resources have and still are being completely swallowed up. Many covid deaths in Italy will simply never be detected now. Unless, for whatever reason, they invest heavily in a thorough investigation.

    That’s what I thought. There’s really no point in comparing ourselves to other countries when we’re all making a mess of it somewhere.


  • #821
    Logan Roy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    keynes wrote: »
    Given Italy has one of the oldest populations in Europe and Ireland has one of the youngest, our death rate is horribly high

    Or our testing is ****e. I know which I think it is.


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  • #822
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    lbj666 wrote: »
    But we are showing no signs of an increase to anywhere near that...yet. Its been around the 30 mark for the last week, rising slightly.

    Why would it need to rise fast, in order to become a problem?

    Our total cases is the issue at almost 9,000... especially if a decent % of these people are not following the rules and spreading the virus. That's a huge number for such a small country!


  • #823
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Seamai wrote: »
    No, but there is a T in it.

    Thanks for clarifying that, none of us had any idea


  • #824
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i think everyone should be wearing a mask outside now.

    or use a scarf.

    Leave the mask stock for the ones who will need it
    Everyone outside should be educated to stay home


  • #825
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    But we're not on a full lockdown? I'd be surprised if there was a decrease in numbers next week.

    Im not on Facebook but my wife who works in the health sector is and she has been showing me pictures all day of various people in parks, back gardens etc..having get togethers yesterday and today. These people are that thick they actually are putting it on Facebook and boasting about it. Also the Gardai called down to UCD sports grounds today to break up a 7 a side football match on the astro pitch's which you may hear more about in the papers tomorrow given the high profile of two of the participants.

    As you say this isn't a full lockdown.


  • #826
    Longing
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    mean gene wrote: »
    Ya well be here all summer with this sh1t -the only thing that has changed in this country is the pubs are closed.key worker thing is a joke most people are still working

    True. I heard today a factory not to far away from me were my brother in law works is re-open on Tuesday 1000+ workers


  • #827
    realrebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭realrebel


    My brother in law was in bergamo in italy in late jan and madrid in March
    He was very sick when he came back and applied for a test
    They came out to test him after about 10 days then he was waiting weeks for the result
    Last Wednesday he got the results saying he was negative
    Today they rang him back saying he is positive
    You can make up this ****


  • #828
    [Deleted User]
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Why would it need to rise fast, in order to become a problem?

    Our total cases is the issue at almost 9,000... especially if a decent % of these people are not following the rules and spreading the virus. That's a huge number for such a small country!

    Jesus....you'd be hoping anyone testing positive or awaiting results

    Would have enough commonsense to stay in anyway


  • #829
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    The number of deaths today was high, but in no sense are we on any kind of exponential curve. There's no reason to assume it will ever reach 60, despite today's figures the trend is static or falling.

    As for a proper lockdown, since nobody believes the Wuhan figures on cases or deaths, it doesn't seem like any lockdown would work.


  • #830
    Xertz
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    keynes wrote: »
    Given Italy has one of the oldest populations in Europe and Ireland has one of the youngest, our death rate is horribly high

    Given the average age of the people who’ve passed away, it would tend to indicate that it’s hitting the same age profile. Unfortunately, it could end up having a huge impact on older and more vulnerable people and the average age being younger isn’t necessarily going to reduce the death toll, as the impact is concentrated on a narrow % of the community.

    Things like how much exposure older people have will have more impact. As you can already see care homes have been a signifiant % of clusters.


  • #831
    froog
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    Deep Thought wrote: »
    So how did New Zealand or South Korea do it?

    south korea had the best response of any country, got it early, population ready to mask up immediately, tracking apps, excellent contact tracing, obedient population etc

    new zealand - i've read a few articles saying there's a definite link between climate and how the virus spreads. temperate countries are getting savaged, i suspect africa will not explode like many are predicting either.


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  • #832
    Kermit.de.frog
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Kermit won’t be unhappy unless everyone is miserable.

    Correct. :cool:


  • #833
    Wii776
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭Wii776


    The reality with this situation is that no matter how well we manage this lockdown, no matter how low we bring the R0 number, it doesn't matter. We could eradicate covid 19 in Ireland in the morning, and someone would come in on a plane or ferry in the afternoon and the cycle starts again.

    The fact is that what we, and most other countries, are engaged in, is a holding manoeuvre. We are trying to buy time to allow our medical services to adapt, and allow our scientists to develop effective treatments and eventually a vaccine.

    We will nearly all get this. The elderly and ill can be shielded but it will require enormous care, and they must remain out if public. Those who interact directly with them will probably have to do the same. This will be life changing for many. Some elderly people obviously dont understand, or dont care, and I can empathize with the latter. They have decided that if they go they go.

    This is like a military rearguard. How long can the economies of Europe and the world hold to allow us fight this action, is what will determine how long it lasts.


  • #834
    FVP3
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    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Why would it need to rise fast, in order to become a problem?

    Our total cases is the issue at almost 9,000... especially if a decent % of these people are not following the rules and spreading the virus. That's a huge number for such a small country!

    because rising fast is exactly what you would expect from a virus with exponential growth, which is where the CoronaVirus was up to a few weeks ago. You can go back and look at the numbers and follow the trend line increase.

    The curve is clearly being flattened.


  • #835
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Im not on Facebook but my wife who works in the health sector is and she has been showing me pictures all day of various people in parks, back gardens etc..having get togethers yesterday and today. These people are that thick they actually are putting it on Facebook and boasting about it. Also the Gardai called down to UCD sports grounds today to break up a 7 a side football match on the astro pitch's which you may hear more about in the papers tomorrow given the high profile of two of the participants.

    As you say this isn't a full lockdown.

    It's need to be enforced more with on the spot fines.


  • #836
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    China was in lockdown for two months. And they done it properly. That I can handle but not this half arsed lockdown dragging it on when people don't take it seriously.

    We still have people jogging on the footpaths here not a mask in sight. Our "lockdown" is an absolute farce.


  • #837
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Is there an argument to be made for reporting Nursing home deaths and cases separately, because realistically lock down measure will be having little to no affect on them?

    I had thought about that earlier on - but at the end of the day - while deaths are an issue - it's the numbers in hospital and ICU that needs to be looked at - If hospitals are overrun with people under the age o 70, then reporting that large % of deaths in nursing homes, will only make the hospital situation worse, which to be honest I don't think people think about - all they talk about are deaths.


  • #838
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    MD1990 wrote: »
    i think everyone should be wearing a mask outside now.

    or use a scarf.

    Only if masks are worn properly. The problem is if they are not then they could be more hindrance than help. Besides there is a dire shortage of the proper type.


  • #839
    kalkat2002
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭kalkat2002


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    It's need to be enforced more with on the spot fines.

    Garda has no authority here and low in numbers so I cant see it


  • #840
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,178 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Ah lads this is silly.
    gov.ie say 287 deaths ecdc says same as of yesterday but if you add up all the deaths every day from gov.ie daily reports you get 288 and the hse dashboard says 288.


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  • #841
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,199 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    My neighbor who is a carer, is sitting out the front of her house having a BBQ with her sons (who don't live in the house with her), cutting each others hair with their tops off. One son works security for the Luas. His GF comes over in another car with the 5 y/o son. Another two people show up who Iv never seen before. Its difficult to not notice this as they are the last house on the cul-de-sac, having a knockabout listening to scummer FM. These are the type who ruin it for everyone.

    Sure tell random people on boards - make some people anxious instead of either going up and telling them this or calling your local Garda station and reporting them.

    So many people on social media posting about said people, but not wanting to be the ones to be civil and just tell someone to cop on.


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