Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:13AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Varadkar is a "soft" leader, grand for the platitudes and reading of poetry for the chumps in the cheap seats in the leafy suburbia where his support base tends to be. For a nation known for oratory and some of the best writers on the planet, we get him.

Leo follows the advice of the CMO and things look good people say he's only doing what he's told so no credit given.

Leo follows the CMO advice and things aren't great sure he's a weak leader.

Lads, just stay at home.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:14AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

"The future is not set, there is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

Who said it better:
Kyle Reese Terminator 1
Sarah Connor Terminator 2 (directors cut)
Leo Varadkar Coronavirus global pandemic

He actually got praised for it too.

Leo. He said it to inspire people in a crisis.

macmahon · 11-04-2020 09:14AM

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

I can pm you a link. But it's from Facebook.

Its ok seen your above posts. Thanks.:)

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:15AM

Inquitus wrote: »

Ireland by far. Better social welfare, better program to keep people working, COVID-19 treatment that won't bankrupt you for life. No comparison imho.

Exactly. If you are black in the US and coronavirus comes down your street, you're in serious trouble. White? Not so much.

11-04-2020 09:15AM

Wombatman wrote: »

BTW I don't care if a test result cames from a German lab or a Dublin lab, or a Mars lab.

A completed test is a completed test. A positive is a positive. The German thing is being used as a welcome distraction by Tony and Co.

Blueshoe wrote: »

Why didn't they add the 1000 or so positive tests as analysed by the Germans to the daily total ?

The two figures were given seperately for very good reasons.

7074 cases confirmed by Irish laboritories up until yesterday afternoon. They give this figure every day. So we can see from this how much the increase is on a day to day basis.

8089 cases in total up until yesterday afternoon, when the results back from Germany are included. There were about 1015 positive cases back from Germany over yesterday and Thursday. But they came from tests conducted 2-3 weeks ago. If these were just included in the daily figures it would look like there was a huge increase in newly emerging cases over the past couple of days, ie, a hugely distorted impression.

All of the figures were there yesterday but poorly explained. I think that the CMO tends to go on far too much in response to questions. It is more like "tell me everything you know" - and the woods get lost for the trees. But the full figures were there. It is easier to see the detail on the website report than get it from answers at the news conference.

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 09:16AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Leo. He said it to inspire people in a crisis.

I disagree. Kyle Reese version was the best. Original and set the tone for the franchise.

Leo just copied an inspiring quote he googled at home in the modest apartment he bought for himself years ago. 100% mortgage at the time.

ihdxwz4a3pem9j · 11-04-2020 09:16AM

The hospital management gets a bad press. But as a frontline worker, they have looked after us. They seem to be running this terrible situation as best as they can. Nobody could have planned for this. I am glad that I continued to work in Ireland after graduation. I listen to my colleagues in the US and UK. Their stories are not as flattering re: their respective health systems.

caveat emptor · 11-04-2020 09:17AM

chin nuts wrote: »

Hardly clutching at straws. He's addressing the nonsense that was printed in the local paper.

So what is being clarified? The organisation or mechanics of how doctors were sent to support versus the fact that 70 HCW are infected with dozens more are self isolating.

I think you'll find the general public is concerned about the latter and not the former. It's grand to clarify by what mechanism doctors are being sent but it's of very little public importance.

The paper reported that in addition to the staff that have tested positive, “dozens more (are) said to be in isolation”.

Speaking on the Today with Sean O’Rourke show on RTÉ Radio One on Thursday, Dr Laura Durcan, vice president of the IHCA and a consultant rheumatologist at Dublin’s Beaumont Hospital, said other doctors were volunteering to go and work in Cavan to address staffing issues there.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/doctors-sent-to-help-at-cavan-hospital-after-up-to-70-staff-infected-with-coronavirus-1.4225029

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:17AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I disagree. Kyle Reese version was the best. Original and set the tone for the franchise.

Leo just copied an inspiring quote he googled at home in the modest apartment he bought for himself years ago. 100% mortgage at the time.

Yeah, dunno what the apartment has to do with coronoavirus. People use inspiring quotes all the time.

Blueshoe · 11-04-2020 09:18AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah, dunno what the apartment has to do with coronoavirus. People use inspiring quotes all the time.

*Modest apartment.
*100% mortgage at the time.

Those bits are important.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:19AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

*Modest apartment.
*100% mortgage at the time.

Those bits are important.

Dunno what you are talking about.

gabeeg · 11-04-2020 09:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because they are weeks old, and the vast majority of them are now recovered. Hopefully from now on we won’t see such a big lag in results so the daily figures will be meaningful

Oh is that how we're counting now?

So we can just delete the cases from a couple of weeks back? Oh you're right. Things look much better now. Thanks.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:22AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

I disagree. Kyle Reese version was the best. Original and set the tone for the franchise.

Leo just copied an inspiring quote he googled at home in the modest apartment he bought for himself years ago. 100% mortgage at the time.

Yeah that's 100% true.

No poing asking for a link.

Now were outraged at people owning an apartment.

How dare they.

jackboy · 11-04-2020 09:23AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Yeah, dunno what the apartment has to do with coronoavirus. People use inspiring quotes all the time.

They are only inspiring when original or at least when the original source is clearly referenced. When they are plagiarised they are not inspiring, they are depressing and demonstrate that the speaker has no original ideas and is trying to fool people.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:24AM

jackboy wrote: »

They are only inspiring when original or at least when the original source is clearly referenced. When they are plagiarised they are not inspiring, they are depressing and demonstrate that the speaker has no original ideas and is trying to fool people.

Christ.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:24AM

Blueshoe wrote: »

*Modest apartment.
*100% mortgage at the time.

Those bits are important.

What?

Are you for real?

Should he not buy an apartment to keep you people happy???????

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:25AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah that's 100% true.

No poing asking for a link.

Now were outraged at people owning an apartment.

How dare they.

I should hate Leo because he owns an apartment and has a mortgage? Ah, that explains everything. The bastard.

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:25AM

jackboy wrote: »

They are only inspiring when original or at least when the original source is clearly referenced. When they are plagiarised they are not inspiring, they are depressing and demonstrate that the speaker has no original ideas and is trying to fool people.

Look Michael Martin will be the next leader soon.

You can relax easy.

jackboy · 11-04-2020 09:25AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Christ.

Yep, not all of us lap up propaganda.

EDit · 11-04-2020 09:26AM

1641 wrote: »

The two figures were given seperately for very good reasons.

7074 cases confirmed by Irish laboritories up until yesterday afternoon. They give this figure every day. So we can see from this how much the increase is on a day to day basis.

8089 cases in total up until yesterday afternoon, when the results back from Germany are included. There were about 1015 positive cases back from Germany over yesterday and Thursday. But they came from tests conducted 2-3 weeks ago. If these were just included in the daily figures it would look like there was a huge increase in newly emerging cases over the past couple of days, ie, a hugely distorted impression.

All of the figures were there yesterday but poorly explained. I think that the CMO tends to go on far too much in response to questions. It is more like "tell me everything you know" - and the woods get lost for the trees. But the full figures were there. It is easier to see the detail on the website report than get it from answers at the news conference.

Not sure if that’s a typo, but part of the issue is that other places were reporting 7054 (eg, here https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/) then Tony starts talking about 707x cases up to midnight on a certain day and 80xx when German numbers got added in. Not really surprising people got confused TBH

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:27AM

jackboy wrote: »

Yep, not all of us lap up propaganda.

Out of idle curiosity, who do you think would have provided better leadership than Leo?

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:28AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Out of idle curiosity, who do you think would have provided better leadership than Leo?

Himself of course.

coastwatch · 11-04-2020 09:29AM

gabeeg wrote: »

Oh is that how we're counting now?

So we can just delete the cases from a couple of weeks back? Oh you're right. Things look much better now. Thanks.

Wrong.
They older test results were not deleted, they were added to the total case number, just not included in the daily reports because the daily reports is a measure of how fast the virus is spreading, and 3 weeks old test results dont tell anything about the current rate of spread.

The older test results are just history at this stage.

US2 · 11-04-2020 09:30AM

Polands population is 8 times that of Ireland.

Poland has 7 land borders.

6000 cases 180 deaths.

Ireland is an island surrounded by water

8000 cases 280 deaths.

Keep those ferrys and planes coming tho, shur it's only irish people coming home, as if they cant be infected because they are irish.

TONY HOLOHAN SAID HE DOES NOT EXPECT COMMUNITY SPREAD AFTER PEOPLE WHO HADNT TRAVELLED OR BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A CONFIRMED CASE TESTED POSITIVE.. AFTER!?

Dont listen to him. Think for yourself,, protect yourself and your family dont listen to this proven liar.

Women waiting 12+ months for cervical cancer tests, and after 12 months waiting told they need to be tested again !

how can you believe this guys figures.

Hobgoblin11 · 11-04-2020 09:30AM

Brazil became the first country in the southern hemisphere to surpass 1,000 deaths with coronavirus

Jinglejangle69 · 11-04-2020 09:34AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Brazil became the first country in the southern hemisphere to surpass 1,000 deaths with coronavirus

Those Brazilians ay, doing a better job than Ireland.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:35AM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Brazil became the first country in the southern hemisphere to surpass 1,000 deaths with coronavirus

If you think Trump is a clown in this crisis, keep an eye on Bolsonaro.

jackboy · 11-04-2020 09:36AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Out of idle curiosity, who do you think would have provided better leadership than Leo?

A straight talker would be better who gives the facts without plagiarising quotes from films. Leo is absolutely uninspiring but a good leader does not necessarily have to be inspiring. Being truthful and leading by example can be enough. Leo is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

As to who would be better, that is hard to answer as how can we judge someone who is not experienced in dealing with a situation like this. The only person we can truly judge at the moment is Leo. That may seem unfair but that’s the way it is.

Wombatman · 11-04-2020 09:37AM

1641 wrote: »

The two figures were given seperately for very good reasons.

7074 cases confirmed by Irish laboritories up until yesterday afternoon. They give this figure every day. So we can see from this how much the increase is on a day to day basis.

8089 cases in total up until yesterday afternoon, when the results back from Germany are included. There were about 1015 positive cases back from Germany over yesterday and Thursday. But they came from tests conducted 2-3 weeks ago. If these were just included in the daily figures it would look like there was a huge increase in newly emerging cases over the past couple of days, ie, a hugely distorted impression.

All of the figures were there yesterday but poorly explained. I think that the CMO tends to go on far too much in response to questions. It is more like "tell me everything you know" - and the woods get lost for the trees. But the full figures were there. It is easier to see the detail on the website report than get it from answers at the news conference.

The German results should be included in the daily figures. The German lab just needs to send a simple report each day with the number of test completed and the number of positive cases.

No need for any hold up. We need results as quickly as possible so contact tracing can start or patients can get the correct treatment.

Absolutely no need to wait days to include the German numbers in a separate batch. Confusing and unnecessary.

Professor Moriarty · 11-04-2020 09:38AM

jackboy wrote: »

A straight talker would be better who gives the facts without plagiarising quotes from films. Leo is absolutely uninspiring but a good leader does not necessarily have to be inspiring. Being truthful and leading by example can be enough. Leo is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

As to who would be better, that is hard to answer as how can we judge someone who is not experienced in dealing with a situation like this. The only person we can truly judge at the moment is Leo. That may seem unfair but that’s the way it is.

So Leo isn't up to the job and there isn't anyone else you'd suggest? I think he's doing a reasonably good job in the circumstances but Coveney would be better.

Covid19 Part XV - 15,251 in ROI (610 deaths) 2,645 in NI (194 deaths) (19/04) Read OP

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