Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:06AM

markodaly wrote: »

Whats your excuse for this?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-52091054

You set unbelievable benchmarks and standards for everyone Francie, so what's your excuse when they fail up North?

All sorted out already on the thread with another poster Mark...try reading it.

My conclusion was MON messed up in terminology, the other poster pinned it on Murphy.
But I think (poster jh79 can correct if I am wrong) we both agreed with the UUP leader in the end.

blackwhite · 10-04-2020 09:07AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That was directed at the FG acolytes on here who say, everytime an improvement is suggested or a criticism is made, handwave it away as 'impossible...too big a task...you can't be doing that...etc etc'

'Excuses' they are called in my environs.

It's a strange world you live in where you think that adding a two week delay to vital supplies is an "improvement".

There's a big difference between dismissing all suggestions, and pointing out how utterly stupid your suggestion was.

And of course, in Francie's warped little world - it's everyone else's fault that you made an idiotic and simplistic suggestion that anyone with half a brain could see wouldn't work

christy c · 10-04-2020 09:13AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You can't verify if there are incorrect, and the poster can't verify if they are correct.
Kinda up to Martin.

If it was a shinner said it he/she would be hounded until they did.
Martin will slither off the hook no doubt.

It's not up to me to prove they were incorrect, if a poster introduces figures here I would expect that they would make a reasonable effort to verify them. If they didn't and just fired them up without a second thought because it made a good soundbite,fine, but just admit it.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:20AM

christy c wrote: »

It's not up to me to prove they were incorrect, if a poster introduces figures here I would expect that they would make a reasonable effort to verify them. If they didn't and just fired them up without a second thought because it made a good soundbite,fine, but just admit it.

I understand what you are getting at but threads would grind to a halt. You have already said that you have no way of verifying what FG say for instance.
If a politician quotes a figure then it seems to me it can be used until it is proved to be incorrect or the politician says they were wrong or bull****ting.

10-04-2020 09:20AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All sorted out already on the thread with another poster Mark...try reading it.

My conclusion was MON messed up in terminology, the other poster pinned it on Murphy.
But I think (poster jh79 can correct if I am wrong) we both agreed with the UUP leader in the end.

It was an understandable mistake. My issue was more with Francie being a lot more forgiving to CM and MON than the FG equivalents.

But i do think your attitude to the aftermath of the RHI scandal highlights your double standards more.

You keep talking about transparency yet not a bad word said about SF "code of conduct" approach that protects their special advisors.

You were pretty evasive about at first so i suspect you know SF alternative to Allister legislation was really about protecting the advisors from any real scrutiny.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:23AM

blackwhite wrote: »

It's a strange world you live in where you think that adding a two week delay to vital supplies is an "improvement".

There's a big difference between dismissing all suggestions, and pointing out how utterly stupid your suggestion was.

And of course, in Francie's warped little world - it's everyone else's fault that you made an idiotic and simplistic suggestion that anyone with half a brain could see wouldn't work

I didn't say anything about a 2 week delay though.

I accepted that I didn't know that people arriving into the country needed to quarantine for 2 weeks and then suggested that staff already there could do it.

'Suggested'.

Further intrigued by what Conor Murphy said in the executive about the order too: He understood that there were people on the ground assessing quality and that it was an already established supply line.

christy c · 10-04-2020 09:26AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I understand what you are getting at but threads would grind to a halt. You have already said that you have no way of verifying what FG say for instance.
If a politician quotes a figure then it seems to me it can be used until it is proved to be incorrect or the politician says they were wrong or bull****ting.

He deleted the tweet, people dont usually delete tweets if they think they are right. Also the HSE tries to be diplomatic from what I have seen, they said they didn't know where he got the figure from and Ireland has the capacity. Given all the above it would be reasonable to expect someone to try to verify the 51k figure.

BTW, Smurgen hasn't said that he cannot verify the 51k. Maybe he's compiling the data as we type and our whole conversation will be pointless?

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:31AM

jh79 wrote: »

It was an understandable mistake. My issue was more with Francie being a lot more forgiving to CM and MON than the FG equivalents.

But i do think your attitude to the aftermath of the RHI scandal highlights your double standards more.

You keep talking about transparency yet not a bad word said about SF "code of conduct" approach that protects their special advisors.

You were pretty evasive about at first so i suspect you know SF alternative to Allister legislation was really about protecting the advisors from any real scrutiny.

I said that 5 parties support that 'code of conduct' and therefore I was happy it had concensus.
If the 5 parties decided to support Allister's motion, that was ok with me too.

What could be more democratic than that?

Jinglejangle69 · 10-04-2020 09:34AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/04/10/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-testing-backlog-gaffe/amp

51,000 were OFFERED a test lads.

Not waiting.

Weldone to MM but especially the comrades in here who were only so quick to jump into bed with FF to score a political shot over FG.

You're doing your country proud during these hard times.

All about the party ay comrades, that's all that matters.

Double facepalm.

mattser · 10-04-2020 09:35AM

markodaly wrote: »

What in dear lord are you blathering about now Francie?

You think FG make this stuff up on the fly?
What about all these other governments that had issues? Is that also the 'FG way'?
Or are you spouting **** for the sake of it. Do you get paid per post?

Anyway.

I hear it may rain tomorrow. Quick! Blame FG! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You're long enough around now to waste your time here

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:36AM

christy c wrote: »

He deleted the tweet, people dont usually delete tweets if they think they are right. Also the HSE tries to be diplomatic from what I have seen, they said they didn't know where he got the figure from and Ireland has the capacity. Given all the above it would be reasonable to expect someone to try to verify the 51k figure.

BTW, Smurgen hasn't said that he cannot verify the 51k. Maybe he's compiling the data as we type and our whole conversation will be pointless?

Maybe.

I think ultimately the responsibility falls to Martin to verify. We can only take politicians at their word until we know different.

In truth we can only 'trust' that NPHET and the HSE are giving the correct figures. we can't actually and factually verify them.

10-04-2020 09:37AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/04/10/news/irish-news/micheal-martin-testing-backlog-gaffe/amp

51,000 were OFFERED a test lads.

Not waiting.

Weldone to MM but especially the comrades in here who were only so quick to jump into bed with FF to score a political shot over FG.

You're doing your country proud during these hard times.

All about the party ay comrades, that's all that matters.

Double facepalm.

Hard to believe today week,he most likely will be taoiseach,endorsed by FG

10-04-2020 09:39AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Further intrigued by what Conor Murphy said in the executive about the order too: He understood that there were people on the ground assessing quality and that it was an already established supply line.

That just shows his inexperience. An established supply line wouldn't need people on the ground and as pointed out to you already it would not of been possible anyways.

Jinglejangle69 · 10-04-2020 09:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hard to believe today week,he most likely will be taoiseach,endorsed by FG

No argument there.

10-04-2020 09:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said that 5 parties support that 'code of conduct' and therefore I was happy it had concensus.
If the 5 parties decided to support Allister's motion, that was ok with me too.

What could be more democratic than that?

They shut stormont over RHI and the language act yet ran a mile from a solution that would of given NI transparency on their dealings with their special advisors.

christy c · 10-04-2020 09:46AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe.

I think ultimately the responsibility falls to Martin to verify. We can only take politicians at their word until we know different.

In truth we can only 'trust' that NPHET and the HSE are giving the correct figures. we can't actually and factually verify them.

We'll see what smurgen comes back with, I think common sense should be used when there is reason to believe it may not be accurate.

markodaly · 10-04-2020 09:47AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

All sorted out already on the thread with another poster Mark...try reading it.

Sorry, I am not reading close to 3000 posts to try and catch up on the inane arguments.

As I said, you level of expectations are way too high, you should be careful as we can see in NI, that the administration there are no better than in the South. Many would in fact state, that the Republic are showing them how its done.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:51AM

markodaly wrote: »

Sorry, I am not reading close to 3000 posts to try and catch up on the inane arguments.

As I said, you level of expectations are way too high, you should be careful as we can see in NI, that the administration there are no better than in the South. Many would in fact state, that the Republic are showing them how its done.

May I say, your sensitivity to criticism is way too high.
I have stated several times (if you had taken the time before attacking to read the thread) that I think the government are doing well managing the crisis overall and a lot better than our neighbour (including NI) but there are lapses and failures that I am going to debate and discuss and make no apology for so doing.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 09:53AM

jh79 wrote: »

They shut stormont over RHI and the language act yet ran a mile from a solution that would of given NI transparency on their dealings with their special advisors.

There are 5 parties there...several of them diametrically opposed to SF, they ALL agreed to back the code of conduct but you chose to depict that as SF 'running a mile' from another motion that as yet hasn't the backing of the other 5.

See what that is saying about you here?

markodaly · 10-04-2020 10:06AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

May I say, your sensitivity to criticism is way too high.
I have stated several times (if you had taken the time before attacking to read the thread) that I think the government are doing well managing the crisis overall and a lot better than our neighbour (including NI) but there are lapses and failures that I am going to debate and discuss and make no apology for so doing.

OK, So they are doing well, but you are still going to criticise them just cause.
That comes across as a crank and malcontent.

Yurt2 · 10-04-2020 10:16AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

but there are lapses and failures that I am going to debate and discuss and make no apology for so doing.

Here's the rub: the wheels fell off the blue painted wagon after the election and their foghorn online faction were badly stung.

When the covid crisis struck the caretaker gov asked for shoulder to the wheel, which is fair enough in a national emergency. Many on the blue cubscout faction took this as a signal that criticism and any form of dissent is unpatriotic, and asked people not politicise the crisis when all they've done is politicise it and used it as some sort of opportunity to paper over the litany of f*ck-ups that preceded the last few weeks.

The Green Jersey might be a useful tool for a wounded incumbent from time to time, but it's not a magic wand.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 10:24AM

markodaly wrote: »

OK, So they are doing well, but you are still going to criticise them just cause.
That comes across as a crank and malcontent.

I'll criticise them when they deserve it Mark.

I have given them credit when they get things right for the country.

This is a political discussion. We are all cranks and malcontents or we wouldn't be here.
If you want a love-in/vanity PR discussion, I am sure there are threads here for that and if not, open one.

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 10:37AM

I DO NOT think it is fair to nit pick from a political perspective the country's response to Covid 19
It is the country's response
The government are only facilitating the response in every way possible
The country is doing a brilliant job despite the constraints of having every other country in the world vying for the supplies to fight it

There is a lot of petty nit picking on this thread and the other one
It's a Pointless sideline activity thankfully,ignored by the vast vast majority
This thread for example,I've been counted 3 times as a viewer just to write this post..
At least 200 views counted yesterday were just me either reading or replying
More the previous day
If you dont believe me,watch the view counts as you open the thread versus before
Refreshing is a new view
So this thread is a circle jerk of 5 or 6 people max
The rest are in the Coronvirus forum
To each their own I suppose but personally I'm content with 2 things,the countrys response has been good and it's got results despite our nearest neighbour
The political wrangling is just bored people I suspect at this stage
Or people with withdrawal affects from normal politics and just feel the need to go on and on and on..scrapping for petty nit picks even their party bosses have the sense not to bother with as theres higher things to care about..like... LIFE ..literally!

all about the mane · 10-04-2020 10:37AM

Yurt! wrote: »

Here's the rub: the wheels fell off the blue painted wagon after the election and their foghorn online faction were badly stung.

When the covid crisis struck the caretaker gov asked for shoulder to the wheel, which is fair enough in a national emergency. Many on the blue cubscout faction took this as a signal that criticism and any form of dissent is unpatriotic, and asked people not politicise the crisis when all they've done is politicise it and used it as some sort of opportunity to paper over the litany of f*ck-ups that preceded the last few weeks.

The Green Jersey might be a useful tool for a wounded incumbent from time to time, but it's not a magic wand.

The wheels have completely fallen off the SF wagon since their best ever election result. Hard to understand how they made such a monumental mess of things. The shinners in here have been frothing at the mouth since. By the way, how’s Mary Loo? she’s had a good 5 weeks in isolation now. Must be some sort of record!

Yurt2 · 10-04-2020 10:39AM

all about the mane wrote: »

The wheels have completely fallen off the SF wagon since their best ever election result. Hard to understand how they made such a monumental mess of things. The shinners in here have been frothing at the mouth since. By the way, how’s Mary Loo? she’s had a good 5 weeks in isolation now. Must be some sort of record!

Enjoy being FF's tea boys. Not looking good for the future lads.

Your worst fears have come to pass.

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 10:42AM

all about the mane wrote: »

The wheels have completely fallen off the SF wagon since their best ever election result. Hard to understand how they made such a monumental mess of things. The shinners in here have been frothing at the mouth since. By the way, how’s Mary Loo? she’s had a good 5 weeks in isolation now. Must be some sort of record!

Not sure where you are getting the data to support this.

Last poll showed them holding their own and FG gaining 13 points with FF falling.

Is this a feeling in your waters type of thing?

10-04-2020 10:42AM

all about the mane wrote: »

The wheels have completely fallen off the SF wagon since their best ever election result. Hard to understand how they made such a monumental mess of things. The shinners in here have been frothing at the mouth since. By the way, how’s Mary Loo? she’s had a good 5 weeks in isolation now. Must be some sort of record!

You are aware SF rose in the last polls(taken in mid of.crisis?)

Like the age group of your average shinner isnt going to be posting on a message board,they are clearing decks on social media and whatsapp tho...gain your political perapective from somewhere other than centre right msg boards (echo chamber effect there for you)

(I did use lol at the pre-election discussion comparing facebook spend on advertising between political parties, as if a party of the young would spend any significant sums on social media site of the middle aged :pac: lads seriously showing age there )

Mortelaro · 10-04-2020 10:46AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not sure where you are getting the data to support this.

Last poll showed them holding their own and FG gaining 13 points with FF falling.

Is this a feeling in your waters type of thing?

I think it's an example of the type of thing I was talking about
(Says me adding 5 more same person views to the thread)

FrancieBrady · 10-04-2020 10:50AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think it's an example of the type of thing I was talking about
(Says me adding 5 more same person views to the thread)

What were you 'talking about'?

all about the mane · 10-04-2020 10:56AM

Jaysus that didn’t take long. The shinners sure are rattled!

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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