CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 10:57PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They couldn't contact trace completely when hardly anyone had it, what makes you think they're going to be able to do it better when many, many more people do?

This is all new to everyone of us. Of course mistakes were made and people/powers to be were slow to act. Once restrictions will be lifted, it won't be our first time. Kinda like Asia and their experience with SARS.

YFlyer · 09-04-2020 10:57PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Tell him I got a text from a family member who spent the day working at a hospital in Dublin and said there were ambulances calling to the Covid entrance all day?

That would fall on deaf ears.

igCorcaigh · 09-04-2020 10:58PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

At least we have the test centers and process setup already. Obviously needs to be fine tuned, but the system is in place.

We just need to get over this curve, slowly get back to a new normal, maintaining social distancing, cough etiquette. When case numbers rise, and they will, it should be at a much slower pace. Testing should be improved and rapid, with contract tracing, to help suppress it more. Which should mean people can still work and get paid, shop, go for a longer walk, but that's it I think. See how that goes and then come September, obviously the schools will have to open.

Yes, I think we will be very well prepared for a second wave, if it comes.

We won't have the supply bottlenecks I hope, and populations have been well rehearsed on what to do.

Hopefully we will come to the decline phase of this wave soon.

YFlyer · 09-04-2020 10:59PM

easypazz wrote: »

The hospitals are empty, nobody going near them, all elective procedures cancelled.

Very few car crashes, sports injuries etc.

I said that to him.

YFlyer · 09-04-2020 11:01PM

old_aussie wrote: »

Be careful, I think that text may have given you alzheimer's

Any means to forget.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:01PM

Ficheall wrote: »

They couldn't contact trace completely when hardly anyone had it, what makes you think they're going to be able to do it better when many, many more people do?

Well for starters, they've been reassigning the public sector to contact tracing and COVID-related work. Health department, but also people from completely unrelated offices- arts, libraries, immigration.

bekker · 09-04-2020 11:04PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Is it 416?

On the basis of that table 27 have died in hospital without being admitted to ICU, and 6 have died without being admitted to hospital.

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 11:04PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Well for starters, they've been reassigning the public sector to contact tracing and COVID-related work. Health department, but also people from completely unrelated offices- arts, libraries, immigration.

I would assume for a second wave, all those departments reassigned would be ready to hit the ground running, same for all departments, everyone really. This was something nobody outside of Asia has experienced before.

Logan Roy · 09-04-2020 11:06PM

tails_naf wrote: »

True, but insnt it curious that I caught something being isolated for nearly 4 weeks. So while I don't think I have covid19, I can't fathom how I'm sick, even mildly with that amount of time passed

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:07PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I would assume for a second wave, all those departments reassigned would be ready to hit the ground running, same for all departments, everyone really. This was something nobody outside of Asia has experienced before.

I can't speak to their competence, I just know the numbers reassigned are significant enough that I've heard about it from a few different friends in different parts of the the public sector. Government departments and county councils.

Most of them are pretty unhappy about it, but then I've never met a public sector worker who was happy in their job.

JP100 · 09-04-2020 11:08PM

The UK has 959 cases per 1 million population. While Ireland has 1,331 cases per 1 million population. I'd imagine the ratio is higher in Ireland because there's more case testing happening in Ireland per head of population. While in terms of the mortality rate the UK has 118 deaths per 1 million population. While Ireland has 53 deaths per 1 million population.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:09PM

Logan Roy wrote: »

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

Eh, tails probably has hay fever. But ironically, that's not normally accompanied by chills, which are a sign of actual fever. Keep an eye on that Logan. Don't let it go on too long.

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 11:09PM

bekker wrote: »

On the basis of that table 27 have died in hospital without being admitted to ICU, and 6 have died without being admitted to hospital.

I don't know, just going by stats and of 1765 Healthcare workers, 27% should be hospitalized.... which yes, you would expect some deaths. Maybe they are younger, more fit/healthy so it's less.

It's certainly a good question for a journalist to ask. Hearing some are hospitalized and some in ICU would certainly be a shock for people to hear.

fin12 · 09-04-2020 11:11PM

I haven’t heard our Taoiseach address anything about mental health in relation to this virus but Trump did tonight.

Logan Roy · 09-04-2020 11:11PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Eh, tails probably has hay fever. But ironically, that's not normally accompanied by chills, which are a sign of actual fever. Keep an eye on that Logan. Don't let it go on too long.

Ah no I’m grand! The chills are probably nothing more than tiredness, too much time on boards!

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 11:11PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I can't speak to their competence, I just know the numbers reassigned are significant enough that I've heard about it from a few different friends in different parts of the the public sector. Government departments and county councils.

Most of them are pretty unhappy about it, but then I've never met a public sector worker who was happy in their job.

Of course, I'm sure the unions must have been in uproar, but absolutely zero public support, so they kept silent.
We will hear when it's all over, they should deserve a pay rise though, while over half a million of us, willing and able to work were not allowed to.

babybuilder · 09-04-2020 11:12PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

I recently listened to a podcast documentary about TB patients in Ireland. And they were brought out, beds n all. I think it was from the "Documentary on one" RTRadio collection of podcasts.

Read somewhere that in the emergency field hospitals during the 1918 pandemic there were lower fatalities than in the brick and mortar hospitals. The movement of air presumably.

BanditLuke · 09-04-2020 11:12PM

Logan Roy wrote: »

Im the same, sore throat and slight chill the last few days. It’s hay fever almost certainly. Between the fine calm weather and being more exposed to it due to not being in an air conditioned office all day it is a bit more severe.

It sounds like hayfever as this is tree pollen season grass pollen isn't until mid May. I've had this also and have gotten it every year for last few years at same time.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:13PM

fin12 wrote: »

I haven’t heard our Taoiseach address anything about mental health in relation to this virus but Trump did tonight.

We should totally commend Trump every time he doesn't actively cause harm by speaking. I feel that would be constructive.

Rob A. Bank · 09-04-2020 11:13PM

Dr. Trump recommended hydroxychloroquine again today, before chickening out of the press conference. He is becoming the world’s most prominent peddler of medical misinformation.

An article from The Atlantic explained the background to 'Why Does the President Keep Pushing a Malaria Drug?'

In six patients with COVID-19, the doctors combined hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin (known to many as “Z-Pak,” an antibiotic that kills bacteria, not viruses) and reported that after six days of this regimen, all six people tested negative for the virus.

The report caught the eye of the celebrity doctor Mehmet Oz, who has since appeared on Fox News to talk about hydroxychloroquine 21 times. As Oz put it to Sean Hannity, “This French doctor, [Didier] Raoult, a very famous infectious-disease specialist, had done some interesting work at a pilot study showing that he could get rid of the virus in six days in 100 percent of the patients he treated.”...

Oz’s “100 percent” interpretation involves conspicuous omissions.

According to the study itself, three other patients who received hydroxychloroquine were too sick to be tested for the virus by day six (they were intubated in the ICU). Another had a bad reaction to the drug and stopped taking it. Another was not tested because, by day six, he had died.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:13PM

BanditLuke wrote: »

It sounds like hayfever as this is tree pollen season grass pollen isn't until mid May. I've had this also and have gotten it every year for last few years at same time.

Hay fever should not cause chills.

igCorcaigh · 09-04-2020 11:14PM

JP100 wrote: »

The UK has 959 cases per 1 million population. While Ireland has 1,331 cases per 1 million population. I'd imagine the ratio is higher in Ireland because there's more case testing happening in Ireland per head of population. While in terms of the mortality rate the UK has 118 deaths per 1 million population. While Ireland has 53 deaths per 1 million population.

Lack of true mortality rates are happening in UK though. A poster (?) pointed to a guardian article whereby you could add another 1000 to the fatalities in UK. Bringing it from 8k to 9k I think?

But yeah, maybe they are massively undertesting too..

It's all a bit of a mess really. Perhaps we should have international standards about how we measure these things. After all, stats provide information that is actionable. And that's important.

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 11:15PM

JP100 wrote: »

The UK has 959 cases per 1 million population. While Ireland has 1,331 cases per 1 million population. I'd imagine the ratio is higher in Ireland because there's more case testing happening in Ireland per head of population. While in terms of the mortality rate the UK has 118 deaths per 1 million population. While Ireland has 53 deaths per 1 million population.

The UK only test in hospital, so if we did the same, we would have 1521 cases and 263 deaths with 310 cases per mil.

AtomicHorror · 09-04-2020 11:16PM

Logan Roy wrote: »

Ah no I’m grand! The chills are probably nothing more than tiredness, too much time on boards!

Most likely nothing, of course. We're all run down and spending too much time watching numbers and arguing on the internet.

Wolf359f · 09-04-2020 11:17PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Lack of true mortality rates are happening in UK though. A poster (?) pointed to a guardian article whereby you could add another 1000 to the fatalities in UK. Bringing it from 8k to 9k I think?

But yeah, maybe they are massively undertesting too..

It's all a bit of a mess really. Perhaps we should have international standards about how we measure these things. After all, stats provide information that is actionable. And that's important.

I honestly think every country went the test, test, test route, but as soon as they hit that steep curve, everything went out the window and all resources went to try save as many lives as possible.

stephenjmcd · 09-04-2020 11:23PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-announce-extension-of-covid-19-restrictions-1.4225521?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Another 2 weeks as expected, possibly 3 until after May bank holiday and Gardai to have the current powers extended to cover this period. All to be announced tomorrow. Plans also have begun on the phased lifting of restrictions.

babybuilder · 09-04-2020 11:24PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I honestly think every country went the test, test, test route, but as soon as they hit that steep curve, everything went out the window and all resources went to try save as many lives as possible.

Not every country. South Korea, Taiwan, China. Others closed borders and quarantined. Testing alone won't cut it. We need north south cooperation and identical approach. Agree about an antibody test. It's critical to getting some semblance of normality. I've reappraised my initial estimate that some restrictions could be lifted in end may/June, more like July August.

bekker · 09-04-2020 11:25PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I don't know, just going by stats and of 1765 Healthcare workers, 27% should be hospitalized.... which yes, you would expect some deaths. Maybe they are younger, more fit/healthy so it's less.

It's certainly a good question for a journalist to ask. Hearing some are hospitalized and some in ICU would certainly be a shock for people to hear.

To make it simpler,

257 died in hospital, 230 admitted to CPU 257-230 = 27 died in hospital without being admitted to CPU.

263 total deaths, 257 died in hospital, 263-257 = 6 died without being admitted hospital.

There is no means of deriving healthcare workers hospitalized from the figures published today.

Larbre34 · 09-04-2020 11:25PM

Expect 5 to 6 more weeks of it, according to my information.

GeorgeBailey · 09-04-2020 11:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-to-announce-extension-of-covid-19-restrictions-1.4225521?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

Another 2 weeks as expected, possibly 3 until after May bank holiday and Gardai to have the current powers extended to cover this period. All to be announced tomorrow. Plans also have begun on the phased lifting of restrictions.

I'd imagine they'll announce 2 weeks. What it'll end up being is anybody's guess.

CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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