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CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

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  • #4892
    Speak Now
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,771 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Lundstram wrote: »
    Reporter: I want to talk to you about oil.

    Trump: What's the price today?

    Reporter: I don't know.

    Trum: OK, who's next?

    :D

    In fairness to Jason Dufner his main career is golf :)


  • #4893
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Thread starting to be taken over with Trump commentators, even though there's already a Trump thread. I'm out for tonight.

    Don’t go past the 2KM radius FFS!


  • #4894
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,149 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Wow the reporter in the blue dress there is stunning and trump knows it, "Oh yeaah" he says


    Just worth mentioning that would be Chanel Rion who is a reporter for OAN which is a pro Trump media channel.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/02/oan-white-house-coronavirus-briefings-162131

    You will never hear him disagree with her questioning.


  • #4895
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Just Saying wrote: »
    I genuinely think you are incorrect.

    I have followed it daily from the early stages.The phrase most often used in press briefings is tests carried out.
    If the phrase that is used in your quote above were correct i.e. laboratories in the country then the German lab results could not be included in the figures yet both the head of the HSE on Sunday and the CMO on Monday both said that the results from the German labs were included in the figures.
    The rise in new cases from Friday would indicate that this is the case especially as the total number of positive cases from Germany was 469 or approx 117 per day.
    The CMO also stated that the German lab results showed a 7.6% positive rate.This low percentage rate indicates that these tests were mainly from batches prior to 2 symptoms being required for testing as this rate is quite similar to the early testing.
    In addition it was stated this evening that the overall case rate on the weekly increase in tests was in the region of 19.6%.If what you state is correct and the German figures of 6000 tests were stripped out from todays weekly figures it would leave the Irish test results showing approx 1850 positives from just over 6000 tests or 30% which is a rate not seen anywhere in the world.The only way the figures make sense to me is as I have outlined or have you an explanation that I might somehow have missed?

    Unlike many on here I will be the first to apologise if I am incorrect.However it is the only way I can see for the figures to make sense.

    I am not in any way being disingenuous.It is entirely possibility that one or both of us had been misled by the ambiguous way in which the data is presented and the differences between the written and the spoken word.


    I try only use what the HSE publish as I said their exact wording on their press release from 24 March is

    "To date, 17,992 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight last night."
    Their wording from 31 March
    "To date, 30,213 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight, Monday 30 March.
    I cannot imagine they mean swabbing.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/reid-hse-completes-deal-to-have-covid-19-testing-carried-out-at-european-laboratory-991679.html



    I can not find the HSE press release from today.The German test were requested the night 01/02 April, it is reported that they were lab processed this week. The HSE said there were 6000 of them so I think I am correct in saying that the HSE processed 895 approx per day this week. If the lab results from Germany were not included in the 12000 or so reported lab results this week surely the HSE would have stated that. I did not see the Press conference but posters here say they were included, they may be wrong so that would make me wrong too. I believe that the HSE statements on testing have been pretty ambiguous because they understand that they are not getting a handle on it.



    HSE reports

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/


  • #4896
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,818 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Discodog wrote: »
    Speaking during a visit to McKee Barracks in Dublin today, Mr Vardakar said: "Whether it is people self-isolating for 14 days or obeying the rules around social distancing, I am proud that we as a country have been able to do that by consent.

    "We have regulations on the table that are ready to sign if we need to bring in the kind of enforcement powers that exist in other countries.

    “I don't want to be in a position where we are criminalising people for going more than two kilometres from their house without an adequate excuse.

    “The last thing I want is people to come out of this emergency with fines and prison sentences and criminal convictions.

    "I know that is the approach in other countries - I don't think that is our way. I think we can achieve what needs to be achieved by consent and the public being on board.

    “That has been the case in the vast majority of scenarios. We can bring in tougher laws and they are ready to be signed if we need to.

    “I don't want to do that just yet unless the Garda Commissioner feels it is absolutely necessary."

    Obviously the Commissioner is in charge. Leo might as well be a doctor 24/7

    Passing the buck, meaning that if and when it comes in... “following advice by the Garda Commissioner we regretfully need to implement...”


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  • #4897
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8197223/The-beginning-change-UKs-chief-scientific-adviser-welcomes-fall-new-COVID-19-cases.html

    "We are beginning to see change': UK's chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance offers signs of hope as coronavirus cases start to flatten despite bleakest day yet with 786 new deaths"

    Not sure if Patrick Vallance is up to the job.


  • #4898
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    the new laws
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/


  • #4899
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Surely she will be one of the first to be locked up. Her behaviour the last few days has been appalling.

    I fear the martyrdom if she got locked up tbh


  • #4900
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Just Saying wrote: »
    I genuinely think you are incorrect.

    I have followed it daily from the early stages.The phrase most often used in press briefings is tests carried out.
    If the phrase that is used in your quote above were correct i.e. laboratories in the country then the German lab results could not be included in the figures yet both the head of the HSE on Sunday and the CMO on Monday both said that the results from the German labs were included in the figures.
    The rise in new cases from Friday would indicate that this is the case especially as the total number of positive cases from Germany was 469 or approx 117 per day.
    The CMO also stated that the German lab results showed a 7.6% positive rate.This low percentage rate indicates that these tests were mainly from batches prior to 2 symptoms being required for testing as this rate is quite similar to the early testing.
    In addition it was stated this evening that the overall case rate on the weekly increase in tests was in the region of 19.6%.If what you state is correct and the German figures of 6000 tests were stripped out from todays weekly figures it would leave the Irish test results showing approx 1850 positives from just over 6000 tests or 30% which is a rate not seen anywhere in the world.The only way the figures make sense to me is as I have outlined or have you an explanation that I might somehow have missed?

    Unlike many on here I will be the first to apologise if I am incorrect.However it is the only way I can see for the figures to make sense.

    I am not in any way being disingenuous.It is entirely possibility that one or both of us had been misled by the ambiguous way in which the data is presented and the differences between the written and the spoken word.


    Ok I found today's report , it is still a little unclear but I think you are correct and I was wrong.They do not mention the German test but say all these 12,271 this week were carried out in Ireland, if I am reading correctly.


    They say:
    "To date, 42,484 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country. 12,271 tests were carried out in these laboratories in the week to midnight, Monday 6 April."
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/


  • #4901
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    boardise wrote: »
    Not only that -prisoners have been released already on overcrowding/safety grounds ...so prison is effectively an empty threat.

    I imagine the sentences aren't going to be handed down while the pandemic is ongoing.
    Doesn't make it an empty threat.


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  • #4902
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,634 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    maebee wrote: »
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8197223/The-beginning-change-UKs-chief-scientific-adviser-welcomes-fall-new-COVID-19-cases.html

    "We are beginning to see change': UK's chief scientific adviser Patrick Vallance offers signs of hope as coronavirus cases start to flatten despite bleakest day yet with 786 new deaths"

    Not sure if Patrick Vallance is up to the job.
    also from UK

    https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/1247593070637584390


  • #4903
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,188 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Panrich wrote: »
    I was part of a queue for the local supermarket today and some scrote just appeared around the corner and walked straight in the door bypassing the queue of about 15 people. It's the likes of that cnut that makes these new powers necessary. I don't like them but I can understand why they're being brought in.

    There is the possibility that he may have worked there. Where I am, yes, we do skip the queue because we work there.

    But having said that I fully support the main point of your argument. In work everyday I see people, lots and lots of people, seemingly incapable of heeding the basic safety advice. And my co-workers are a disgrace, from the store manager down to the clueless 16 year olds that have only started this week. Not a fck is seriously given about social distancing or even hand washing or anything else. A lot of people are dangerously clueless bastards.


  • #4904
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I'm not completely comfortable with the new enforcement but I'm sorry if everyone(and to be fair the vast majority have) had bloody adhered to what we were asked to do a few weeks ago then this wouldn't have been necessary but shockingly some people believe they know better and will think of themselves and feck the rest. Hopefully the Gardai never have to actually use the powers they now have but given how people seem hell bent on going to places this weekend even after having been told not to for theirs and everyone's else's heatlh and wellbeing then my sympathy drops.

    So you think that laws should be passed based on Internet heresay much which come without context or even basic fact checking?

    Show me some figures to prove how many people are actually flaunting the guidelines and what danger they are actually causing and maybe more people would agree with restriction.

    Despite what curtain twitchers believe, jogging or walking in the open air or driving a few KM from your house have an absolutely negligible affect on the spread of a virus.

    Going to an indoor supermarket for example is infinitely more dangerous.

    By all means give Gardai the powers to break up big house parties or dangerous gatherings but making criminals out of people just harmlessly going about their daily lives is not a good step IMO.


  • #4905
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I try only use what the HSE publish as I said their exact wording on their press release from 24 March is

    "To date, 17,992 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight last night."
    Their wording from 31 March
    "To date, 30,213 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country, as of midnight, Monday 30 March.
    I cannot imagine they mean swabbing.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/reid-hse-completes-deal-to-have-covid-19-testing-carried-out-at-european-laboratory-991679.html



    I can not find the HSE press release from today.The German test were requested the night 01/02 April, it is reported that they were lab processed this week. The HSE said there were 6000 of them so I think I am correct in saying that the HSE processed 895 approx per day this week. If the lab results from Germany were not included in the 12000 or so reported lab results this week surely the HSE would have stated that. I did not see the Press conference but posters here say they were included, they may be wrong so that would make me wrong too. I believe that the HSE statements on testing have been pretty ambiguous because they understand that they are not getting a handle on it.



    HSE reports

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/e378fd-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-on-tuesday-/

    I'm not disputing the press releases but if what you say is correct then the figures dont make sense regarding the percentage positive rate among the results received from Irish labs.If so then we are in for a shock when testing is ramped up.

    The burning question from the HSE releases is does tests carried out at laboratories mean the same as results received from labs???

    In any event I'm off to bed and hope tomorrow brings clarity.


  • #4906
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Strumms wrote: »
    Passing the buck, meaning that if and when it comes in... “following advice by the Garda Commissioner we regretfully need to implement...”
    FG selected a media poster-boy as leader in '17.

    He delivered on that.

    He's that still, great for the one liner, and the photo op.

    Lousy at being decisive, lousy at taking responsibility, but then they knew that from his previous track record when they elected him.


  • #4907
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,200 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Ok I found today's report , it is still a little unclear but I think you are correct and I was wrong.They do not mention the German test but say all these 12,271 this week were carried out in Ireland, if I am reading correctly.


    They say:
    "To date, 42,484 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country. 12,271 tests were carried out in these laboratories in the week to midnight, Monday 6 April."
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

    They did say earlier that over 40% of total tests have been carried out in the last week. So that would indicate the 6,000 German tests are not included in that 12,271 figure.


  • #4908
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Ok I found today's report , it is still a little unclear but I think you are correct and I was wrong.They do not mention the German test but say all these 12,271 this week were carried out in Ireland, if I am reading correctly.


    They say:
    "To date, 42,484 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country. 12,271 tests were carried out in these laboratories in the week to midnight, Monday 6 April."
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

    I was pretty sure earlier I was correct but I'm not quite as sure now!!!


  • #4909
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    speckle wrote: »
    the new laws
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/

    Thats old laws at this stage


  • #4910
    joe_99
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭joe_99


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    Ok I found today's report , it is still a little unclear but I think you are correct and I was wrong.They do not mention the German test but say all these 12,271 this week were carried out in Ireland, if I am reading correctly.


    They say:
    "To date, 42,484 tests have been carried out in laboratories across the country. 12,271 tests were carried out in these laboratories in the week to midnight, Monday 6 April."
    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/5ac125-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-31-march-20/

    So in reality we have almost 49k tests done? So roughly 10k per million.


  • #4911
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Trump now saying how the postal system should be run.

    11024960_gal.jpg


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  • #4912
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    I try only use what the HSE publish as I said their exact wording on their press release from 24 March is

    Cannot remember the exact wording in the briefing but IIRC all figures given so far (as in positives, infections vector etc) include the German testing but the German tests are not part of the total tests done within this country i.e. the 42k are purely Irish tests plus the 6k done in Germany

    They really don't help themselves by giving very vague "answers" to some pointed questions - not sure what the big secret is for some of the data.


  • #4913
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Really dumb question, but when people talk about a Second or Third Wave, is that more to do with less restrictions and therefore it will spread again or an actual mutation of the Virus?


  • #4914
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    We're 15th worst.
    508723.png


  • #4915
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    road_high wrote: »
    I remember the massive heatwave in 2003. Thousands died per day then too. Went on for weeks

    Yeh just looked it up, hard to believe! 70,000 deaths in Europe in just 1-2 months


  • #4916
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    speckle wrote: »
    the new laws
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2020/4/




    They could've threw in a paragraph or two and bullet points



    #WallOfText


  • #4917
    peddlelies
    Closed Accounts Posts: 840 ✭✭✭peddlelies


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Hahaha see trump there with the fella asking about the oil

    Gas. :pac:

    https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1247655330571485184


  • #4918
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,139 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Really dumb question, but when people talk about a Second or Third Wave, is that more to do with less restrictions and therefore it will spread again or an actual mutation of the Virus?

    Google the Spanish Flu - the first wave wasn't bad, then it circulated around the globe and came back and was quite deadly after it mutated in that time

    People are talking of the similar thing but in a very short space of time i.e. everything is looking good so you lift restrictions then infections balloon again and you are back at square one.


  • #4919
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Just Saying wrote: »
    I was pretty sure earlier I was correct but I'm not quite as sure now!!!
    I was too but I am more confused than anything at this stage. They do say all those test were carried out in the country so that is clear. But other poster here are saying the HSE said that the German figures are included in the 12000 this week. So I can say I just don't know anymore.


  • #4920
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,188 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    nocoverart wrote: »
    Really dumb question, but when people talk about a Second or Third Wave, is that more to do with less restrictions and therefore it will spread again or an actual mutation of the Virus?

    I'm not a virologist, but I assume it's down to the predicted second wave of spread once you lift restrictions and people start to move around again. Unless you've basically eradicated the virus - which is pretty impossible without an extended period of even harsher lock-down measures - a second wave of new infections is to be expected once restrictions are eased. Anything I've heard hasn't put this down to a mutation of the virus.

    And, once again, from what I've read. It appears that a mutation in the virus may not be the worst outcome. It could be more likely to mutate into a less deadly strain. For the virus successs doesn't mean more bodies, it means more transmission and infection, but less overall leathality. But, once again, I'm not a virologist.


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  • #4921
    Xertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭Xertz


    This is all a bit bizarre:

    “A Dublin-based company has claimed before the High Court that the Health Service Executive has failed to honour a contract for the provision of 350 medical ventilators to treat those who contract coronavirus.“

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/0407/1129147-courts-ventilators/

    “It also seeks orders restraining the HSE from taking any steps to avoid its obligations under the contract, as well as an order preventing the defendant from purchasing similar types of ventilators until the sums allegedly due under the contract have been paid to Narooma.”

    If I understand this correctly, they claim the HSE entered a contact on 27 March, with payment due on 31 March.

    Also the company appears to be based at a residential address, going on what comes up on solocheck anyway, although that’s not unusual for a small niche business.

    I’m just baffled that the HSE would have entered a contract on 27 March with payment due on 31st for millions of Euro. It all seems a quite strange. Are we at that level of panicked purchasing?


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