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The Chinese Big Lie

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  • #662
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    We NEED reparations to rebuild our society and economies.

    Surely you admit the wet markets are almost a perfect breeding ground “Petri dish” for zoonotic viruses?

    No not at all. They're called wet markets because of the blood. Produce is slaughtered right there in front of you and there is no need for refrigeration.

    How often have you seen hunters out hunting they kill their produce and strap it to their car. People would say the exact same thing that it was disgusting and unhygienic.

    I agree some animals are hosts to some dangerous germs and we need to ban those animals for consumption and butchering. Which largely China have done but it still is active in the blackmarket.


  • #663
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I checked online there, AN POST have stopped delivering mail to China due to the Coronavirus update.
    https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Sending/Calculate-Postage

    "Please note, due to international airlines suspending services to China, all mail services have been suspended to China as a result of the Coronavirus with immediate effect. "

    You will have to root out his excellency's e-mail. Google it. Or try Fed Ex.


    I wouldn't hang around either, the longer you leave these things the more time it takes to get a resolution. Don't faff around, just get on it.

    There is also a bit of a pile now. Think some guy from Vantanu is demanding they pay for his electric bill


  • #664
    Das Reich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    declanflynn wrote: »
    China needs to get the basics right

    This April 30 will be 45 years that the yankees got kicked from Saigon. They got humiliated and their arse still have the footprint. And it was against a much smaller nation. Imagine now what would happen? Wake up baby USA can't invade anymore and destroy even a small country like Cuba.


  • #665
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Das Reich wrote: »
    This April 30 will be 45 years that the yankees got kicked from Saigon. They got humiliated and their arse still have the footprint. And it was against a much smaller nation. Imagine now what would happen? Wake up baby USA can't invade anymore and destroy even a small country like Cuba.

    Be some reparation payment for Vietnam, jeysus.


  • #666
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Maybe if you wrote to Pooh Bear he might sort them out for you? I reckon the more people that write to his excellency the better?

    I reckon the Politburo would fold at the first sign of a solicitors letter through the letter box.

    Stand by.
    not sure that would be enough


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  • #667
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    2u2me wrote: »
    No not at all. They're called wet markets because of the blood. Produce is slaughtered right there in front of you and there is no need for refrigeration.

    How often have you seen hunters out hunting they kill their produce and strap it to their car. People would say the exact same thing that it was disgusting and unhygienic.

    I agree some animals are hosts to some dangerous germs and we need to ban those animals for consumption and butchering. Which largely China have done but it still is active in the blackmarket.

    I’d ask you to go an have a quick look at the VOX YouTube channel and a short ten min video called How wildlife trade is linked to coronavirus.

    It explains the link between wildlife meat being sold at wet markets and zoonotic virus transfer.

    It’s a sobering and infuriating watch.


  • #668
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    I’d ask you to go an have a quick look at the VOX YouTube channel and a short ten min video called How wildlife trade is linked to coronavirus.

    It explains the link between wildlife meat being sold at wet markets and zoonotic virus transfer.

    It’s a sobering and infuriating watch.

    That may all be true but hows this gonna get you your demanded $300 billion tantrum cheque


  • #669
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    2u2me wrote: »
    The scientific literature has been warning about an outbreak like this for a long time. If it didn't come from the meat markets of China they will come from somewhere else. We need to be prepared and not look for reparations from what is essentially a random mutation.
    random me sole


  • #670
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    Be some reparation payment for Vietnam, jeysus.

    Think of how much Europe owes to America when they brought these:

    smallpox, bubonic plague, chickenpox, cholera, the common cold, diphtheria, influenza, malaria, measles, scarlet fever, sexually transmitted diseases, typhoid, typhus, tuberculosis, and pertussis.

    We owe them a fortune(They gave us syphilis though so I guess we can scratch off a bit. ), I'll start the collection lads send me everything you have and I'll forward it on.


  • #671
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    cryptocurrency wrote:
    aren't the scientists who have looked at the virus making it clear that this isn't a lab virus. I am sure if you look hard enough you will find a "scientist" who claims this is related to a 5g or even spice burger production
    It's not synthetic. Only tin foil hat folks say that.

    What is entirely possible though is that the virus escaped from the lab via contamination of one of the staff and this was the zoonotic jump from an animal to a human - patient zero was the staff.


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  • #672
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    That may all be true but hows this gonna get you your demanded $300 billion tantrum cheque
    not sure you understand how international law works mate, it wont be someone on boards ringing their solicitor and asking him to sue China


  • #673
    2u2me
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭2u2me


    declanflynn wrote: »
    random me sole

    Scientists disagree with you.
    If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

    Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.
    Source


  • #674
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    declanflynn wrote: »
    not sure you understand how international law works mate, it wont be someone on boards ringing their solicitor and asking him to sue China

    Yeah sure, and how far can these claims go back once that door is open? Most I can think of now are much more water tight to this one


  • #675
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,046 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    declanflynn wrote: »
    not sure you understand how international law works mate, it wont be someone on boards ringing their solicitor and asking him to sue China

    That lad is on my ignore list and with good reason


  • #676
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    This thread is infested with CCP agents and CCP apologists.

    Crypto - tell us why do you defend the CCP? Cards on the table.


  • #677
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    declanflynn wrote: »
    not sure that would be enough

    The least you might do is try.

    Too many people not prepared to put their hands up and take responsibility.

    You sound like an innovative type, I have heard President XI Jinping likes that. Tell him you want them to pay the extra 98.6 million euro special dole payments a week for starters. See what he says?

    Don't waste any more time, the world needs people like you at times like this. Step up, please.


  • #678
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    The least you might do is try.

    Too many people not prepared to put their hands up and take responsibility.

    You sound like an innovative type, I have heard President XI Jinping likes that. Tell him you want them to pay the extra 98.6 million euro special dole payments a week for starters. See what he says?

    Don't waste any more time, the world needs people like you at times like this. Step up, please.
    will you type up the letter and I will sign it


  • #679
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    That lad is on my ignore list and with good reason
    I cant think why


  • #680
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    McGiver wrote: »
    This thread is infested with CCP agents and CCP apologists.

    Crypto - tell us why do you defend the CCP? Cards on the table.

    I don't, I haven't. I am not wired or conditioned to be a sheep. I have followed the Covid19 unfold since January and can't see why the governments have gone out of their way to handle it so bad. To watch them go from saying China was dealing with the situation to all the spitting now smacks of pure spin as the walls come down around them.

    I am not easy distracted away from that with the "hey look, a squiral" trick which many seem to fall for. You can watch many "informed" views appear and disappear in perfect symmetry with the MSM.


  • #681
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    declanflynn wrote: »
    I think WW2 cost Germany a fair bit

    Ahh yes, and look what happened with the Versailles Treaty. An emergent Nationalist socialist regime with generations of people feeling bitter over the reparations they were forced to pay... in a war that happened because they honored their treaty commitments.

    Now, consider the Chinese people who are easily as arrogant, already feel victimized by many international organisations/nations, and are a nuclear power... who have also been modernising their military for the last twenty years. Yup, reparations would be a wonderful idea.. if you want a world war.

    But I guess Irish people think they'd be able to sit this one out again. Demand that China pays, others would have to do the enforcing, and the Irish could just sit back smug that they didn't have to get their hands dirty. Nah. The world has moved on. A world war would involve Nuclear weapons since China has always said that they're willing to use them should they feel threatened...

    Maybe we do need a world war, just to clear away the idiots who can't grasp just how volatile the world is, and just how easily these powers could use their nuclear weapons. China hasn't been involved in an actual war since WW2, so there's no horror at getting involved in one... You seek to push them too far, and they'll be clamoring at their government to show the world that they are ready to take a position as a military superpower. (I don't think they are ready, but they do have a huge amount of destructive potential at their fingertips)


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  • #682
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    declanflynn wrote: »
    will you type up the letter and I will sign it

    No worries, can you provide me with some content?

    Be honest with your context, I am sure the Politburo will appreciate your sentiment.

    Which is ironic because that might be a first for you? Being appreciated that is?


  • #683
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    declanflynn wrote: »
    The West must make them pay or nothing will change in China

    Ok. Explain to me...

    how would the world make them pay...?

    how would the world force China to pay... ?

    What do you expect to change in China, and how do you ensure that the changes continue and aren't rolled back? (Consider how long US troops have been in Afghanistan, the cost of such an effort, and their failures to date)

    I do find this interesting since the world has never been able to get N.Korea to play ball... and China is far superior to N.Korea in every respect.


  • #684
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    declanflynn wrote: »
    a lawyers from many countries are taking legal action against China and its president, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the idea of maki g China pay, there will be a lot of angry countries when dis is all over

    There is only one law in China. Chinese law. International law is taken under advisement, and followed when convenient. Which is why they've ignored it so many times in the past.

    Even if they did accept it, they could tie any legal claims in knots for centuries. Nah. I'd be very quick to dismiss such claims of legal action by lawyers, because it's so ignorant of China that there's no way it would achieve anything of note.


  • #685
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ahh yes, and look what happened with the Versailles Treaty. An emergent Nationalist socialist regime with generations of people feeling bitter over the reparations they were forced to pay... in a war that happened because they honored their treaty commitments.

    Now, consider the Chinese people who are easily as arrogant, already feel victimized by many international organisations/nations, and are a nuclear power... who have also been modernising their military for the last twenty years. Yup, reparations would be a wonderful idea.. if you want a world war.

    But I guess Irish people think they'd be able to sit this one out again. Demand that China pays, others would have to do the enforcing, and the Irish could just sit back smug that they didn't have to get their hands dirty. Nah. The world has moved on. A world war would involve Nuclear weapons since China has always said that they're willing to use them should they feel threatened...

    Maybe we do need a world war, just to clear away the idiots who can't grasp just how volatile the world is, and just how easily these powers could use their nuclear weapons. China hasn't been involved in an actual war since WW2, so there's no horror at getting involved in one... You seek to push them too far, and they'll be clamoring at their government to show the world that they are ready to take a position as a military superpower. (I don't think they are ready, but they do have a huge amount of destructive potential at their fingertips)

    You are trying to compare a virus, from nature, which has killed about 70k, with a world war. Is this some sort of primary school lads conversation. This very notion of comparison is utterly absurd.


  • #686
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    McGiver wrote: »
    This thread is infested with CCP agents and CCP apologists.

    Crypto - tell us why do you defend the CCP? Cards on the table.

    Hilarious.

    Ahh well, I find the thread to infested with morons... but I won't pick out names here. :D

    It's amazing how bad the quality of posts become when schools are closed. Makes me shudder to think what they're teaching in schools. Definitely not logical or critical thinking.

    It is kinda cute though just how naive many posts are. Although it's sad too, to see just how little people understand about international law, and how it applies (or doesn't apply) to the big boys in the world.


  • #687
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    You are trying to compare a virus, from nature, which has killed about 70k, with a world war. Is this some sort of primary school lads conversation. This very notion of comparison is utterly absurd.

    No, I'm not. I pointing out how stupid it is to seek reparations. And my comparison is due to the piece I quoted.... *hint* *hint*


  • #688
    cryptocurrency
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,650 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, I'm not. I pointing out how stupid it is to seek reparations. And my comparison is due to the piece I quoted.... *hint* *hint*

    Yeah sorry, just the very thought of entertaining the conversation is mad. These lads talking about must have some heads full of s****


  • #689
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ahh yes, and look what happened with the Versailles Treaty. An emergent Nationalist socialist regime with generations of people feeling bitter over the reparations they were forced to pay... in a war that happened because they honored their treaty commitments.

    Now, consider the Chinese people who are easily as arrogant, already feel victimized by many international organisations/nations, and are a nuclear power... who have also been modernising their military for the last twenty years. Yup, reparations would be a wonderful idea.. if you want a world war.

    But I guess Irish people think they'd be able to sit this one out again. Demand that China pays, others would have to do the enforcing, and the Irish could just sit back smug that they didn't have to get their hands dirty. Nah. The world has moved on. A world war would involve Nuclear weapons since China has always said that they're willing to use them should they feel threatened...

    Maybe we do need a world war, just to clear away the idiots who can't grasp just how volatile the world is, and just how easily these powers could use their nuclear weapons. China hasn't been involved in an actual war since WW2, so there's no horror at getting involved in one... You seek to push them too far, and they'll be clamoring at their government to show the world that they are ready to take a position as a military superpower. (I don't think they are ready, but they do have a huge amount of destructive potential at their fingertips)
    Are you scared of China


  • #690
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    No worries, can you provide me with some content?

    Be honest with your context, I am sure the Politburo will appreciate your sentiment.

    Which is ironic because that might be a first for you? Being appreciated that is?
    No


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  • #691
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ok. Explain to me...

    how would the world make them pay...?

    how would the world force China to pay... ?

    What do you expect to change in China, and how do you ensure that the changes continue and aren't rolled back? (Consider how long US troops have been in Afghanistan, the cost of such an effort, and their failures to date)

    I do find this interesting since the world has never been able to get N.Korea to play ball... and China is far superior to N.Korea in every respect.
    I wonder what would happen if we stopped buying their crap products


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