CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

CNN report
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/03/americas/guayaquil-ecuador-overwhelmed-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Twitter vids
https://mobile.twitter.com/bottawestpoint/status/1245392930967347200

Is this legit?

There was an interesting article in The Spectator recently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

A few quotes:

The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates. Are more people dying than we would expect to die anyway in a given week or month? Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to Covid-19 — so 0.8 per cent of that expected total. On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The world’s 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 per cent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu). Not figures that would, in and of themselves, cause drastic global reactions.

The latest figures show that since September, flu has infected 38 million Americans, hospitalised 390,000 and killed 23,000. This does not cause public alarm because flu is familiar.

It certainly seems reasonable, now, that a degree of social distancing should be maintained for a while, especially for the elderly and the immune-suppressed. But when drastic measures are introduced, they should be based on clear evidence. In the case of Covid-19, the evidence is not clear. The UK’s lockdown has been informed by modelling of what might happen. More needs to be known about these models. Do they correct for age, pre-existing conditions, changing virulence, the effects of death certification and other factors? Tweak any of these assumptions and the outcome (and predicted death toll) can change radically.

Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. The scenes from the Italian hospitals have been shocking, and make for grim television. But television is not science.

But governments must remember that rushed science is almost always bad science. We have decided on policies of extraordinary magnitude without concrete evidence of excess harm already occurring, and without proper scrutiny of the science used to justify them.

prob been posted already
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

moonage wrote: »

There was an interesting article in The Spectator recently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

A few quotes:

The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates.

Death rate is fixating on just one component though.
This virus is causing a tsunami of people needing hospitalization, that overwhelms the Health Care system.

Aside from that, it's being finding out in some places ppl that have died before they've been tested are not subsequently tested post mortem.
So those numbers are not included in the statistics for covid19.

Gynoid wrote: »

Christ. People in some parts of the world are really going to suffer. We live like emperors on this low population density, clean island, with excellent amenities and a brilliant standard of living. We complain all the time but seeing other places.... really, we should be so grateful. I would freak out if I had to live in so many of these poor and densely populated places in the world. Have no idea how the people there will manage a pandemic. It is frightening.

and yet all night in here people are whinging that we haven't enough tests done that we dont have enough masks , that we are the worst country in the world because we are not like south korea or whatever ... in my opinion they are a disgrace

I read an article today about the BCG vaccine for TB being linked to protection against Co-vid19. .

I thought a lot of people born in Dublin already had this vaccine and am I mistaken that healthcare workers are required to have this injection?
A quick way of knowing if you’ve received this injection is it leaves a circular scarring on your upper arm.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tuberculosis-vaccine-potential-game-changer-in-covid-19-fight-1.4220383?mode=amp

plodder wrote: »

Most people over the age of five got it. It was standard for all children to get it up to 2015

Nobody in my family bar my mum who was born in the 50s in Dublin have it. My sister got the injection when she went into nursing. I teach in a primary school and I remember last summer one of the children in my class got the vaccine done in Hungary and her mum said she was surprised they don’t do it automatically here anymore.
None of my Cork friends have it but when I went to college in Dublin everybody seemed to have it there.

I’m sceptical anyway.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The Cheltenham question was asked this evening at the press conference, and the reply was we've no indication of infection being picked up there and transmitted here. Believe it or not but that's what was said.

Flights were never going to stop so get that out of your head, we had to bring irish people home and others wanted to go home from here.
Flights also carry more than just people.

Fair enough if you want to bring people home. But ffs isolate them in a hotel for two weeks or else there's a strong risk of family or community transmission. Then we are back to square 1 and we will never get this lockdown lifted.

Some companies are just about holding on. Another month or two of lockdown and thousands more companies will go out of business.

Whatever the cost of the hotel stays is worth compared to the alternative of longterm lockdown. If its only a handful of people coming in, then relatively easy to accomodate.

UK did a catch up BCG programme in the mid 1990s.

Bob24 wrote: »

The cooking process would kill if for sure. But droplet can come onto the food after the cooking process and while it’s being packaged for takeaway (plus since we are talking about burgers, not all ingredients are cooked).

That’s exactly my thinking when it comes to takeaways. Pizza etc will be grand once it’s cooked and hot, but if someone coughs on the box as theyre closing it .....

rusty the athlete wrote: »

Interesting piece in today's UK Independent:
Trump 'severely mentally troubled' and must resign from coronavirus response, mental health group warns

World Mental Health Coalition urges president's impeachment or resignation for 'dangerous detachment to reality' that is making pandemic worse


See also https://worldmhc.org/.


Since this clown is putting us all in jeopardy I thought it relevant to post.

We've plenty of our own clowns in government including those who say we need a lockdown but then fly in people from hotspots like New York and London and allow them into the community.