CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

Washington: US intelligence agencies have concluded that the Chinese government itself does not know the extent of the coronavirus outbreak in China and is as blind as the rest of the world, according to current and former intelligence officials.
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Mid-level bureaucrats in the city of Wuhan, where the virus originated, and elsewhere in China have been lying about infection rates, testing and death counts, fearful that if they report numbers that are too high they will be punished, lose their position or worse, current and former intelligence officials said.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-does-not-know-extent-of-its-outbreak-cia-tells-white-house-20200403-p54gqv.html

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

I live in Sasana,

What's your point with using the word Sasana? It's the 21st century in case you hadn't noticed

MipMap wrote: »

America owes 1 trillion dollars to China cos they buy lots of stuff from China that they can't make themselves as cheaply as China does.
When this comes to an end the whole world (inc. Ireland) will need to borrow a ****load more money, eventually coming from China, because they have a ****load of people who have to work for peanuts cos they are controlled by a dictatorial government that kills them if they complain.


Economics

That's because they shut all the factories (or rather the companies did) and moved production over to China
As it is China is losing a lot of trade now to other Asian countries who are under cutting them without all the red tape that the CCP imposes
So maybe not bring it all back in house but diversify where you do your trade.

ThePopehimself wrote: »

The HSE should have stepped in and found a way to buy every single mask from Irema, the surgical mask company in co. Limerick back in February.

By the beginning of March, Irema were making 1.3 Million Masks a week and were increasing that to 2.6 Million masks a week.

They were exporting “most of the masks internationally to western Europe and the Middle East and also selling to China.”


The HSE really missed the boat on that one.

Imagine if they had bought all the Irema Masks for just 4 weeks in a row – we would now have 10.6 Million surgical and Respirator Masks.

I heard in the briefing 2 nights ago that they are going to negotiate with a company in Limerick. (Should have happened weeks ago)

March 3rd:
‘Limerick Firm reaping benefits of soaring Face Mask Demand Around World’
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/limerick-firm-reaping-benefits-of-soaring-face-mask-demand-around-world-985474.html

What kind of ****e is this, No one knew what was around the corner last February, if they did buy all the masks and we were not affected by the virus, the likes of yourself would be on here now giving out about the costs to the tax payer

CNN report
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/03/americas/guayaquil-ecuador-overwhelmed-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Twitter vids
https://mobile.twitter.com/bottawestpoint/status/1245392930967347200

Is this legit?

There was an interesting article in The Spectator recently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

A few quotes:

The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates. Are more people dying than we would expect to die anyway in a given week or month? Statistically, we would expect about 51,000 to die in Britain this month. At the time of writing, 422 deaths are linked to Covid-19 — so 0.8 per cent of that expected total. On a global basis, we’d expect 14 million to die over the first three months of the year. The world’s 18,944 coronavirus deaths represent 0.14 per cent of that total. These figures might shoot up but they are, right now, lower than other infectious diseases that we live with (such as flu). Not figures that would, in and of themselves, cause drastic global reactions.

The latest figures show that since September, flu has infected 38 million Americans, hospitalised 390,000 and killed 23,000. This does not cause public alarm because flu is familiar.

It certainly seems reasonable, now, that a degree of social distancing should be maintained for a while, especially for the elderly and the immune-suppressed. But when drastic measures are introduced, they should be based on clear evidence. In the case of Covid-19, the evidence is not clear. The UK’s lockdown has been informed by modelling of what might happen. More needs to be known about these models. Do they correct for age, pre-existing conditions, changing virulence, the effects of death certification and other factors? Tweak any of these assumptions and the outcome (and predicted death toll) can change radically.

Much of the response to Covid-19 seems explained by the fact that we are watching this virus in a way that no virus has been watched before. The scenes from the Italian hospitals have been shocking, and make for grim television. But television is not science.

But governments must remember that rushed science is almost always bad science. We have decided on policies of extraordinary magnitude without concrete evidence of excess harm already occurring, and without proper scrutiny of the science used to justify them.

prob been posted already
https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-coronavirus-death-toll-is-far-higher-than-reported-11585767179

moonage wrote: »

There was an interesting article in The Spectator recently.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/The-evidence-on-Covid-19-is-not-as-clear-as-we-think

A few quotes:

The simplest way to judge whether we have an exceptionally lethal disease is to look at the death rates.

Death rate is fixating on just one component though.
This virus is causing a tsunami of people needing hospitalization, that overwhelms the Health Care system.

Aside from that, it's being finding out in some places ppl that have died before they've been tested are not subsequently tested post mortem.
So those numbers are not included in the statistics for covid19.

Gynoid wrote: »

Christ. People in some parts of the world are really going to suffer. We live like emperors on this low population density, clean island, with excellent amenities and a brilliant standard of living. We complain all the time but seeing other places.... really, we should be so grateful. I would freak out if I had to live in so many of these poor and densely populated places in the world. Have no idea how the people there will manage a pandemic. It is frightening.

and yet all night in here people are whinging that we haven't enough tests done that we dont have enough masks , that we are the worst country in the world because we are not like south korea or whatever ... in my opinion they are a disgrace

I read an article today about the BCG vaccine for TB being linked to protection against Co-vid19. .

I thought a lot of people born in Dublin already had this vaccine and am I mistaken that healthcare workers are required to have this injection?
A quick way of knowing if you’ve received this injection is it leaves a circular scarring on your upper arm.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tuberculosis-vaccine-potential-game-changer-in-covid-19-fight-1.4220383?mode=amp

plodder wrote: »

Most people over the age of five got it. It was standard for all children to get it up to 2015

Nobody in my family bar my mum who was born in the 50s in Dublin have it. My sister got the injection when she went into nursing. I teach in a primary school and I remember last summer one of the children in my class got the vaccine done in Hungary and her mum said she was surprised they don’t do it automatically here anymore.
None of my Cork friends have it but when I went to college in Dublin everybody seemed to have it there.

I’m sceptical anyway.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The Cheltenham question was asked this evening at the press conference, and the reply was we've no indication of infection being picked up there and transmitted here. Believe it or not but that's what was said.

Flights were never going to stop so get that out of your head, we had to bring irish people home and others wanted to go home from here.
Flights also carry more than just people.

Fair enough if you want to bring people home. But ffs isolate them in a hotel for two weeks or else there's a strong risk of family or community transmission. Then we are back to square 1 and we will never get this lockdown lifted.

Some companies are just about holding on. Another month or two of lockdown and thousands more companies will go out of business.

Whatever the cost of the hotel stays is worth compared to the alternative of longterm lockdown. If its only a handful of people coming in, then relatively easy to accomodate.