CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

caveat emptor · 03-04-2020 12:29AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...

He was speaking in a video on Twitter following concerns about the content of the first batch of Personal Protective Equipment for healthcare staff that has been arriving on Aer Lingus flights from China since last Sunday.

The HSE said that although the equipment being delivered is up to World Health Organization standards, and will work to protect healthcare staff, it is not the type of equipment that Irish healthcare staff have been used to.

There are concerns that the equipment may be more robust and heavy duty than nurses and doctors expected.

There have also been complaints from some nursing quarters that the protective gowns in the shipment are too small and the face masks of poor quality.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0403/1128209-nphet-to-meet-to-plan-next-moves-in-covid-19-fight/

That's terrible if that is the case. What does more robust mean anyway? Maybe it means more robust like the way the virus was more robust than the expected and infected all those healthcare workers. 25% of total cases at last count. Maybe it's more effective.

Seems like deflection from the fact they weren't protected adequately as there were shortages.

We should put in an order from Germany. Oh wait we can't can we.

citysights · 03-04-2020 12:35AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

Someone shared a video here the other day of a hospital in Southern Italy, the corridor was partitioned( different categories of patients at either side ) with yellow tape and the security officer manning it had a gun in his pocket.., inside a hospital!

macmahon · 03-04-2020 12:35AM

Naos wrote: »

It isn't (overrunning our health system currently) because of the measures we've put in place and the majority of people are adhering too.

Thankyou...I will stick that in my pipe and smoke it!

cnocbui · 03-04-2020 12:35AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's terrible if that is the case. What does more robust mean anyway? Maybe it means more robust like the way the virus was more robust than the expected and infected all those healthcare workers. 25% of total cases at last count. Maybe it's more effective.

Seems like deflection from the fact they weren't protected adequately as there were shortages.

We should put in an order from Germany. Oh wait we can't can we.

Probably means it's more like cartridge based re-usable respirators than light weight FFP3 masks. Which may not be a bad thing if you look at what the Italians are now suiting up in to protect health care workers - full face covering mask with cartridges. I believe the Italians have had no health worker infections after suiting up to airborne protocol standards.

RugbyLad11 · 03-04-2020 12:37AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I warned of this.

China's intention to capitalise on a disaster of their own making by pretending to be the knights in shining armor to other countries is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Equipment is useless, send it back like everyone else.

I remember people on here were arguing that iphones are made in China so no way that this PPE will be bad quality

snotboogie · 03-04-2020 12:38AM

Over 10% of all recorded Covid 19 deaths were reported in the last 24 hours

bekker · 03-04-2020 12:39AM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-president-coronavirus-lockdown-shoot-people-dead/
You really think it can't get any more insane and then..
Police and military in the Phillipines ordered to shoot dead anyone disobeying lockdown procedures

He means shoot to kill, he has previous.

In fairness he's ruling over a widely spread archipelago, with more than 10 ethnic groups, a virtually autonomous Mindanao which was in a state of civil war from '45 till recently, plus an simmering ISIS problem.

Any sign of weakness and it's a mess, it's disobeying his edict that's the problem not necessarily COVID-19 related per se.

macmahon · 03-04-2020 12:43AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

I'd say July at the earliest and then another shutdown in October for longer this time with the much more letal second wave.

Well those stats add up! Well done BanditLuke! Do you care enough to spill?

The Oort Cloud · 03-04-2020 12:44AM

I have to say, this abode here is like it was magically transported to the deep country.

I never heard it so quiet/calm. I'm so used to aircraft noise but this is like the twilight zone for the last week absolutely noiseless, earily beautiful. Just like that twilight zone episode when the woman found the watch to stop time.

Finally the noise of engines and drilling has stopped. I'm not living in the sticks, but for this beautiful time... I may as well be. Have you noticed waking up at 5am without the low drone of aircraft engine noise? Or if you live on a busy road and are now realising how quiet it is for once in a generation of complete quietness?

Do you like it or hate it?.

dundalkfc10 · 03-04-2020 12:49AM

citysights wrote: »

Someone shared a video here the other day of a hospital in Southern Italy, the corridor was partitioned( different categories of patients at either side ) with yellow tape and the security officer manning it had a gun in his pocket.., inside a hospital!

Security men in hospitals all over the world have guns

macmahon · 03-04-2020 12:49AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Yes. Me too.

I'm just highlighting how something like a pandemic has cross cutting concerns. Whatever field you are interested in, it will affect it.

I guess for me, that's what makes it interesting.
But hey, this is how I survive, I'm quite detached from things. Even in tough times.

A fellow spectator!

marno21 · 03-04-2020 12:49AM

A good point here from Tony H today

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-ireland-dr-tony-holohan-21803715

Now that the lockdown is in full effect, and the contacts from new cases is down to a few, the disease is now transmitted in households rather than in the community.

As a result, it'll take a few weeks for all new isolating cases to transmit the virus to the other members of their household. Community transmission is fairly limited with all the social distancing and quarantine measures. Obviously there will be exceptions such as healthcare workers, frontline staff etc.

But it does paint a good picture for a few weeks time, when affected households will have had the virus run its course within the house and inter household transmission has been cut to a minimum.

The big question is what happens when restrictions start easing.

bekker · 03-04-2020 12:50AM

macmahon wrote: »

Well those stats add up! Well done BanditLuke! Do you care enough to spill?

Possibly you mistakenly ^equated^ boards with facebook or twitter.

Your contributions since joining are either facetious or coronavirus error fixated.

marno21 · 03-04-2020 12:51AM

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I have to say, this abode here is like it was magically transported to the deep country.

I never heard it so quiet/calm. I'm so used to aircraft noise but this is like the twilight zone for the last week absolutely noiseless, earily beautiful. Just like that twilight zone episode when the woman found the watch to stop time.

Finally the noise of engines and drilling has stopped. I'm not living in the sticks, but for this beautiful time... I may as well be. Have you noticed waking up at 5am without the low drone of aircraft engine noise? Or if you live on a busy road and are now realising how quiet it is for once in a generation of complete quietness?

Do you like it or hate it?.

I live on the flight path for Cork Airport, and it's quite eerie at the minute now that we're down to 2 takeoffs and landings per day.

The roads seem just as loud although given the traffic volumes are lighter and the proportion of heavy vehicles is bigger it may just be a different noise that we're not used to.

It does seem odd looking up at a clear sky like today and no sign of any aircraft contrails.

citysights · 03-04-2020 12:52AM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Security men in hospitals all over the world have guns

Not in Ireland.

tuxy · 03-04-2020 01:00AM

marno21 wrote: »

I live on the flight path for Cork Airport, and it's quite eerie at the minute now that we're down to 2 takeoffs and landings per day.

The roads seem just as loud although given the traffic volumes are lighter and the proportion of heavy vehicles is bigger it may just be a different noise that we're not used to.

It does seem odd looking up at a clear sky like today and no sign of any aircraft contrails.

Remember when the volcano in Iceland erupted, no planes in the sky at all.
Very odd as I was in the centre of London at the time.

Strazdas · 03-04-2020 01:01AM

marno21 wrote: »

A good point here from Tony H today

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-ireland-dr-tony-holohan-21803715

Now that the lockdown is in full effect, and the contacts from new cases is down to a few, the disease is now transmitted in households rather than in the community.

As a result, it'll take a few weeks for all new isolating cases to transmit the virus to the other members of their household. Community transmission is fairly limited with all the social distancing and quarantine measures. Obviously there will be exceptions such as healthcare workers, frontline staff etc.

But it does paint a good picture for a few weeks time, when affected households will have had the virus run its course within the house and inter household transmission has been cut to a minimum.

The big question is what happens when restrictions start easing.

It's a good question ; one would assume though that if we're down to zero new cases a day, it would be very difficult for the virus to reinfect thousands of people across the country again. It had the element of surprise last time but no more.

macmahon · 03-04-2020 01:01AM

amadangomor wrote: »

If we had done nothing and had no restrictions you would have seen exponential growth. Our ICU's would be overwhelmed by now and we would have many excess deaths.

Being realistic there is still a good chance even with the restrictions we have in place that we will get to a stage where our health service will be overwhelmed in a few weeks. Then we will see those excess deaths.

It's that serious!

Seriously! We are piggy in the middle in this war and no one here in Ireland is seeing it?

dundalkfc10 · 03-04-2020 01:03AM

citysights wrote: »

Not in Ireland.

We have had on many occasions. After London bombings, during troubles. I could continue

Its scary times but don't try make it all a drama

s1ippy · 03-04-2020 01:16AM

Strazdas wrote: »

It's a good question ; one would assume though that if we're down to zero new cases a day, it would be very difficult for the virus to reinfect thousands of people across the country again. It had the element of surprise last time but no more.

That is an absurd thing to say about a virus which doesn't show symptoms for up to two weeks. Its main advantage is that asymptomatic people shed the virus a lot in the early stages of infection. That's its "element of surprise". You're surely posting in these threads long enough to know that we did have advance warning because of the situation in China and it is still spreading totally out of control a month after it arrived here.

There will only be zero cases a day when it has infected everyone, or in the unlikely event that we finally manage to vaccinate against a coronavirus, or when everyone is dead.

tikkahunter · 03-04-2020 01:20AM

The PPE situation was disappointing to hear . We use Kimberly - Clark masks in work , top grade but I would say they are impossible to get now - they are actually made in Mexico.

bekker · 03-04-2020 01:21AM

Good article in NYT for those interested in the ROK's approach to tackiing COVID-19.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-flatten-curve.html

kilkenny31 · 03-04-2020 01:22AM

marno21 wrote: »

A good point here from Tony H today

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/coronavirus-ireland-dr-tony-holohan-21803715

Now that the lockdown is in full effect, and the contacts from new cases is down to a few, the disease is now transmitted in households rather than in the community.

As a result, it'll take a few weeks for all new isolating cases to transmit the virus to the other members of their household. Community transmission is fairly limited with all the social distancing and quarantine measures. Obviously there will be exceptions such as healthcare workers, frontline staff etc.

But it does paint a good picture for a few weeks time, when affected households will have had the virus run its course within the house and inter household transmission has been cut to a minimum.

The big question is what happens when restrictions start easing.

No we can't be positive. People went walking on the beach 2 weekends ago and I seen a guy run close to a person in the park yesterday so we're going to be like Italy next week.

WeMetHere · 03-04-2020 01:26AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Looks like some of the Chinese PPE gear we got on Sunday is not up to scratch, hope they kept the receipt...

I really don’t understand why China has to do this kind of business which is selling PPE to other countries if they can not guarantee the quality, so just give us the refund.

Just do not make money on these things, it’s bloody money. It doesn’t matter what they do, it’s no good.

citysights · 03-04-2020 01:32AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

No we can't be positive. People went walking on the beach 2 weekends ago and I seen a guy run close to a person in the park yesterday so we're going to be like Italy next week.

Like Italy, on what do you base that? Italy has a very very elderly population, the people who died there ( in the main) had at least one if not more underlying health conditions. The population of Italy is also much much higher than Ireland and Italian medics have said that the criteria for recording death is fairly loose. Ireland is not Italy.

frillyleaf · 03-04-2020 01:32AM

gozunda wrote: »

Stuff of nightmares or at least this one

Video released on December 11 2019 by the Shanghai Media Group when the Covid-19 was already infecting its first victims ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovnUyTRMERI

Go to 3:05 for section on bats ...

And no I'm not a conspiracy advocate.

Poor bats. Why can’t we leave nature alone and stop exploiting it

Atlantic Dawn · 03-04-2020 01:38AM

All the global looper terrorist organisations at the suicide bomber racket and general billion dollar wars, in the end to mess up the entire earth all they needed to do was send some volunteers to eat a few bats and enjoy themselves amongst others.

Strazdas · 03-04-2020 01:39AM

s1ippy wrote: »

That is an absurd thing to say about a virus which doesn't show symptoms for up to two weeks. Its main advantage is that asymptomatic people shed the virus a lot in the early stages of infection. That's its "element of surprise". You're surely posting in these threads long enough to know that we did have advance warning because of the situation in China and it is still spreading totally out of control a month after it arrived here.

There will only be zero cases a day when it has infected everyone, or in the unlikely event that we finally manage to vaccinate against a coronavirus, or when everyone is dead.

Virus started to become widespread through community spread, absolutely no social distancing, inward and unchecked travel from infected countries, people not washing their hands etc. How on earth could any of that be replicated in Ireland at any point in 2020, given what we have just gone through?

You could easily see outbreaks and clusters later in the year but it would be hard to imagine cases going into the thousands and deaths back into the hundreds. (I never said anything about the virus being permanently eradicated in Ireland without a vaccine ; I meant we might see a single day at the bottom of the curve when no new cases are reported).

frillyleaf · 03-04-2020 01:44AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Probably means it's more like cartridge based re-usable respirators than light weight FFP3 masks. Which may not be a bad thing if you look at what the Italians are now suiting up in to protect health care workers - full face covering mask with cartridges. I believe the Italians have had no health worker infections after suiting up to airborne protocol standards.

I’ve noticed that we aren’t doing this on the footage I’ve seen. In China the healthcare workers are COMPLETELY covered. They look like they are going into a clean room and they must work 6 hour shifts straight with no toilet break etc. They can’t eat or drink for this time either. The PPE is so robust that some nurses need oxygen after the 6 hour shift.

Our workers look very exposed in the face shields etc I’ve seen footage of. Hair exposed, neck exposed, under chin, ears etc. I would have thought they need complete coverage to protect themselves. Like ‘spacesuit’ PPE

kilkenny31 · 03-04-2020 01:46AM

citysights wrote: »

Like Italy, on what do you base that? Italy has a very very elderly population, the people who died there ( in the main) had at least one if not more underlying health conditions. The population of Italy is also much much higher than Ireland and Italian medics have said that the criteria for recording death is fairly loose. Ireland is not Italy.

I was joking. I was taking the piss about the negative people on here who almost want this thing to be catastrophic so they can say I told you so because they think the government aren't doing enough and thought the fact that people went out the beach and parks two weekends ago meant we would see a huge spike in cases and deaths now.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP