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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #7022
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Imagine RTE doing a piece like that.


    Nah me neither.

    They did didn't they?...yvonne kinsella rte...google it!


  • #7023
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    How many people in that photo can you picture hooked up to a ventilator? Three at least. That guy with the beard stuffing his face, was it worth it?

    They should be branded with an idiot stamp on their foreheads and not allowed to take an ICU bed if they need one.


  • #7024
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Logan Roy wrote: »
    That line is orange not red

    I don't want to worry you, but mixing up orange and red is one of the symptoms of....







    ...colour blindness (not to be confused with coronavirus)


  • #7025
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I'd say July at the earliest and then another shutdown in October for longer this time with the much more letal second wave.

    Thats complete scaremongering, nobody can say about a more lethal wave.

    At some point a decision will be taken to get back to as close as possible to every day life. Be it June, July whenever. But you can't come out and say a more lethal wave as nobody has any proof of that


  • #7026
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Beasty wrote: »
    But that has to be caveated. They are only recording those "diagnosed" with Covid-19. We do not know if they are testing everyone in nursing homes

    Well they have no reason to do a test on anyone in a nursing home not displaying Covid symptoms, so it's as good a method as any I guess.


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  • #7027
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    MadYaker wrote: »
    No cases in North Korea?? What’s their secret?!

    Shoot on sight. If there's a person carrying the virus at the time, oopsie.


  • #7028
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    UrbanFret wrote:
    Can the labs that usually test for the veterinary world help I wonder?
    igCorcaigh wrote:
    Wouldn't think so. It's the lack of reagent that seems to be the issue.
    sadie1502 wrote:
    Of course why not. They are labs. They can test the swabs.
    y0ssar1an22 wrote:
    a proprietary reagent i think? i wonder could they make it if free to do so?
    sadie1502 wrote:
    Well they can test once they have the reagents.


    Just because a facility has a laboratory does not mean it can perform diagnostic testing.

    Just because reagents can be bought from suppliers does not mean they can perform diagnostic testing.

    Testing is carried out by Medical Scientists. These professionals have to have a BSc in Biomedical Science that is accredited by the Academy of Medical Laboratory Scientists. It is estimated ~70% of the profession have also obtained their MSc.

    There are ~2,000 Medical Scientists employed in Ireland working in public and private hospitals.

    This profession is specifically trained and qualified to perform high complexity diagnostic testing. It cannot be just open to any place or anyone.


  • #7029
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,481 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    The cause of coronavirus according to a dup councillor....gay people and abortion...I should have guessed!
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dup-politician-did-not-intend-to-cause-hurt-when-linking-coronavirus-to-abortion-law-1.4219288


  • #7030
    tuxy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    kenmc wrote: »
    Shoot on sight. If there's a person carrying the virus at the time, oopsie.

    No need to do that. Info does not get in or out of the country.
    Some poor countries could even welcome the increased production from the death of people too old to work.


  • #7031
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    macmahon wrote: »
    Thankyou. But so far this isn't and it seems to be going on for a long time. I was up at the CUH today for an appointment and everything was quiet? Never seen the place so quiet!

    Lots of non urgent things have been cancelled.


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  • #7032
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    Popeleo wrote: »
    Because of the exponential growth that is like nothing else we have experienced in several generations.

    When the capacity of the hospital ICUs etc. is reached, the death rate can go from c. 1% to c. 10%. and it won't be just the old and frail that cannot be saved.

    Thankyou. I understand your last sentence but not your first! Where is this exponential growth?


  • #7033
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,457 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Thank fook we're all not famous or we'd all have that Covid19 by now .... or even worse, a fatality.


  • #7034
    Bobtheman
    Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I was a bit surprised at the Department of education being so adamant that they will run the LC somehow in June. By hook or by crook. They said. Reminds me of the promise that the bank bailout would be only 8 billion . Ah the memories. Great times.


  • #7035
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Just because a facility has a laboratory does not mean it can perform diagnostic testing.

    Just because reagents can be bought from suppliers does not mean they can perform diagnostic testing.

    Testing is carried out by Medical Scientists. These professionals have to have a BSc in Biomedical Science that is accredited by the Academy of Medical Laboratory Scientists. It is estimated ~70% of the profession have also obtained their MSc.

    There are ~2,000 Medical Scientists employed in Ireland working in public and private hospitals.

    This profession is specifically trained and qualified to perform high complexity diagnostic testing. It cannot be just open to any place or anyone.

    Exactly. And any qualified biomedical laboratory has statistical metrics that are monitored. It's not like anyone with the right equipment can just open shop.


  • #7036
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Strazdas wrote: »
    In fairness, very little was known about the virus and transmission at that stage. There was talk from scientists you would need to spend around 15 minutes with a person before you could catch Covid from them.
    'Talk from scientists', what scientists? what forum? what specialities? etc. etc.

    Microdroplet transmission, expiration etc has been in the frame from the beginning.


  • #7037
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,565 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    stephenjmcd wrote:
    At some point a decision will be taken to get back to as close as possible to every day life. Be it June, July whenever. But you can't come out and say a more lethal wave as nobody has any proof of that
    The simple solution is complete lockdown which means a temporary border with NI, nobody in or out of the country, unless out means you stay gone, and we'll be clear of this thing before June.
    Of course that sorts this country out and not the rest of the world. We need to maintain the lockdown as far as entry to the country is concerned until the rest of the world is clear of it.

    We can all be back at work by June though if they do things right.


  • #7038
    macmahon
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 83 ✭✭macmahon


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Because of how it rises exponentially. It's not the numbers of people currently dying from this is the concern, tragic as it is. But how it could swamp our health services. And, it's a new illness. How things could go from this now to something much worse very quickly, if we don't act.

    It's a very interesting thing McM. It involves epidemiology, risk management, politics, medicine.... There are good reasons for the current measures.

    Thankyou for your explanation....Im seeing politics as more of an issue!


  • #7039
    Etc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Etc


    Love this bit,

    "I was laughed at and mocked by some but as l said at the time they laughed at Noah until the rain started"

    Insightful stuff as always from the DUP


  • #7040
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,062 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    https://twitter.com/FaheemYounus/status/1245547129831067649

    Interesting.


  • #7041
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    macmahon wrote: »
    Thankyou. I understand your last sentence but not your first! Where is this exponential growth?


    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries


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  • #7042
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I was a bit surprised at the Department of education being so adamant that they will run the LC somehow in June. By hook or by crook. They said. Reminds me of the promise that the bank bailout would be only 8 billion . Ah the memories. Great times.

    Because chances are by June there will be some sort of reopening of the country. I'd move them to July if it was at all possible. Students just need clarity really, all the work is built towards exam day so they need to know the dates for the exams


  • #7043
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    Achasanai wrote: »
    I presume the poster means per head of population. We're not quite at Belgium's level (when comparing in terms of days since the first death) but far ahead of the UK, Sweden, Italy, US on day 9 (per head of population).


    http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/


    Maybe I am not changing some setting but those graphs relate to cases.Cases cannot be compared accurately because of the gulf in tests or head of population.


  • #7044
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    macmahon wrote: »
    Thankyou for your explanation....Im seeing politics as more of an issue!

    Yes. Me too.

    I'm just highlighting how something like a pandemic has cross cutting concerns. Whatever field you are interested in, it will affect it.

    I guess for me, that's what makes it interesting.
    But hey, this is how I survive, I'm quite detached from things. Even in tough times.


  • #7045
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    eagle eye wrote: »
    The simple solution is complete lockdown which means a temporary border with NI, nobody in or out of the country, unless out means you stay gone, and we'll be clear of this thing before June.
    Of course that sorts this country out and not the rest of the world. We need to maintain the lockdown as far as entry to the country is concerned until the rest of the world is clear of it.

    We can all be back at work by June though if they do things right.

    Your having a laugh right ? Create borders, stop the flow of goods into the country, a temporary border a sitting duck for paramilitary attacks. Theres not a hope of the countries borders being closed, we wouldn't even have the man power to impose a border with NI. Think about this logically.

    Theres really nobody coming into the country through the airports as it is anyway


  • #7046
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    macmahon wrote: »
    Thankyou. I understand your last sentence but not your first! Where is this exponential growth?

    If we had done nothing and had no restrictions you would have seen exponential growth. Our ICU's would be overwhelmed by now and we would have many excess deaths.

    Being realistic there is still a good chance even with the restrictions we have in place that we will get to a stage where our health service will be overwhelmed in a few weeks. Then we will see those excess deaths.

    It's that serious!


  • #7047
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    There is something very strange going on with the health service. The A&Es are empty, the wards are virtually empty, (according to Dr Holohan anyway). What happened to all the patients who were on trolleys a couple of weeks ago. Were there a lot of people going to A&E who didn’t need to, or are they afraid to go now?
    Is it possible that people are so scared of getting Covid19 that they not going to their doctors or to A&E even when they really should. Could this be an unintended consequence of the ‘cocoon’ policy?


  • #7048
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Even with restrictions, the growth is still exponential, just at a slower rate. The doubling time slows, but its still a doubling time.

    But, the plus side of exponential growth, means there is also exponential decay. Once we get the R0 below 1, the cases drop to zero very quickly. That's what we have seen in China.

    OK, don't argue about the veracity of Chinese figures, I'm talking about the maths :)


  • #7049
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Whats this lady on primetime got against masks.

    They thought us how to wash our hands

    They thought us how to keep our distance

    They can teach us how to wear a f00king mask

    Plenty of other things they could teach us too...


  • #7050
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    bekker wrote: »
    'Talk from scientists', what scientists? what forum? what specialities? etc. etc.

    Microdroplet transmission, expiration etc has been in the frame from the beginning.

    The "two metre rule" wasn't being discussed in the first week in February. If I remember correctly, it only began to emerge towards the end of the month.


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  • #7051
    Curious_Case
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    I'd say July at the earliest and then another shutdown in October for longer this time with the much more letal second wave.

    Personally, I think that a second wave would, by definition, be less serious.

    Three reasons:

    The counry would be more prepared 2nd time around.

    The country would be more vigilant going forward from 1st wave.

    For the reasons listed above, a 2nd wave would not be able to establish itself to the extent that the 1st wave did as it would be noticed earlier and acted upon with greater efficiency.

    Not to mention the fact that some of the population would already have been exposed to, and recovered from (or had no symptoms from) the 1st wave.


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