CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 11:49AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Which is exactly why reduced new case numbers across Europe have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

It could be because of restrictions. Equally it could be because of the reagents supply issues you mention.

We simply don't know.

Cue the usual suspects saying "you are a doom-monger".

I hope people don't think we're doing well because we're not.

MrMusician18 · 01-04-2020 11:49AM

gabeeg wrote: »

Or the ability.

This insistence that any criticism levelled at the gov is simply for political point scoring is dull as ****.

If they were well made criticisms you'd have a point, but they are not.

But when the criticism consists of petty name calling, like "Varadkardashian" (hilarious :rolleyes: ) it's hard not to determine that the commentary is based entirely on a personal dislike of the politicians, parties and civil authorities.

Blanco100 · 01-04-2020 11:50AM

Allinall wrote: »

I'd take his predictions with a large pinch of salt.

https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/professor-philip-nolan-hints-could-21785071

Jesus that article is garbage. Success because its 295 cases instead of 3000. How can you have 3000 cases when testing is ****.

Know someone in hospital with it, zero contact tracing done as of this morning.

The press conferences every evening are a PR exercise.

01-04-2020 11:50AM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

The only consolation is that it suggests the system is under less pressure than might have been the case.

This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

Doctors room ghost · 01-04-2020 11:51AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I'd be surprised if there isn't now spare capacity in china for testing, seeing as their peak is over, could we put some swabs on the next flight to Beijing to be tested?

I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

GooglePlus · 01-04-2020 11:51AM

BanditLuke wrote: »

A lot of self entitled sorts around that location so no surprise really.

A lot of people doing well for themselves and the odd arsehole in the mix but you'll have that anywhere.

obi604 · 01-04-2020 11:51AM

I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

01-04-2020 11:52AM

Akabusi wrote: »

No problem, when the HSE rang me with my result, they asked me when i last had any of the symptoms. As I had been clear for 8 days when they rang they said I was now free to stop self isolating. I mentioned my sons symptoms and the advice was that the rest of the family enter a new two week self isolation. We all have been house bound since the 15th March. I have one of the masks I got when being tested, i'll be wearing this in the supermarket. Also just before i leave I will change into newly cleaned clothes before leaving the house for fear of the virus being on what I'm wearing and I bring it out with me.

Now that you were confirmed positive and recovered, you have no need to wear a mask as you are clear of the virus, and immune to reinfection. Good hygiene both leaving and returning to the house are important lest you either bring it from your household, or bring it into the rest of your family.

As the country moves forward issuing people such as yourself "recovered" certs may be important. There is no reason why, while adhering to good hygiene practices, you should not be permitted to travel more freely, especially if one was in a position to aid the most vulnerable.

neckedit · 01-04-2020 11:52AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

Haha... love it.

deise08 · 01-04-2020 11:53AM

Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

Is it the mean age being given or median age?
Ask it twice just to clarify.
Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.

Inquitus · 01-04-2020 11:54AM

the.red.baron · 01-04-2020 11:55AM

The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

Allinall · 01-04-2020 11:55AM

deise08 wrote: »

Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

Is it the mean age being given or median age?
Ask it twice just to clarify.
Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.

It's the median.

they say it clearly in every press conference.

Roger_007 · 01-04-2020 11:55AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That would make the average age of death for a smoker 65, which is prime pickings for Covid-19, especially if you're a smoker.

Plenty of smokers living past that as well I'm sure.

I think we’ll have to wait until all the stats relating to this episode are analysed before jumping to any conclusions. It will be important to know for the future which health conditions put people at most risk from this type of outbreak. Many conditions can leave our immune systems compromised.

Martina1991 · 01-04-2020 11:56AM

Ashleigh1986 wrote:

I live near one of the test centres in galway . The numbers attending to be tested has plummeted to just a handful per day . It's obvious there's a major backlog in actual tests that have been done BUT THE DELAY IS IN THE LABS THAT ARE DOING THE SAMPLES . Does anyone know how many people are actually processing the samples ??? What's the point of doing tests if they results cannot be returned in a 3 day period. What expertise is required to carry out these tests ? Why aren't more people been recruited / shifted form certain work to speed up this process ?

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

Inquitus · 01-04-2020 11:57AM

the.red.baron wrote: »

The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.

LuckyLloyd · 01-04-2020 11:58AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.

ArchXStanton · 01-04-2020 11:58AM

Relation of mine was taken away in an ambulance yesterday and tested positive for corona, seemingly he picked it up in Italy were he drives trucks, that's 4 cases in my town with 1 dead. A bit too close to home

jackboy · 01-04-2020 12:01PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Any idea what country the reagent is manufactured in? Is there just one company producing the reagent?

cameramonkey · 01-04-2020 12:02PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.

The regime for testing is broken at the moment and we need to face up to that, it is a vital part of the fight against the pandemic. Testing means that we know where to target our resources and it means that we can get vital health care workers back into the system quicker when we know they are negative.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 12:02PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

How long should someone be symptom free before returning to normal?

stephenjmcd · 01-04-2020 12:02PM

obi604 wrote: »

I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 12:03PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

Question Martina. If you don't have a positive covid 19 test result, can you apply for government assistance? Many people will be tempted to keep working if they haven't got a test result.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 12:03PM

Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »

This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.

Why do you think this is ? Incompetence or something else?

poppers · 01-04-2020 12:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.

Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference

stephenjmcd · 01-04-2020 12:05PM

poppers wrote: »

Seen quotes on here yesterday that he held his chest and seemed to say he didnt feel well during the press conference

Yeah he did during the press conference.

RTE reporting hes in for tests, expected to be released tomorrow and deputy cmo Ronan Glynn will head up this evenings press conference.

Non covid related for the CMO they also say.

Cork Boy 53 · 01-04-2020 12:06PM

Dr.Tony Holohan is in hospital for tests after feeling unwell although it is being stated that it is not thought to be directly related to the virus.

Roger_007 · 01-04-2020 12:06PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.

Everyone is assuming that India and countries like it are going to be in big trouble. That not necessarily so. Many of the countries with poorly developed health systems tend to have much younger populations. It could be that they will be hit less hard than the more developed countries!

poppers · 01-04-2020 12:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

So its ok for you to be out but everyone else should stay indoors

cnocbui · 01-04-2020 12:08PM

babybuilder wrote: »

Not a hope

I think there is every chance. There are two populations - those known to be infected and in hospital and those who are unknowns in lock-down. Anyone in lock-down who has the virus is very likely to pass it on to everyone else in the same household. If someone went into lock-down very soon after being infected, then worse case scenario is it won't present for 14 days, but realistically, the average is 4-5 days. So in a 4 person household, even with a very unlikely chain of infection from one person to another in sequence, 20 days would likely see it play out. A month is enough for the very unlikely scenario of a 14 day incubation then infection of another person where it again takes 14 days. So 28 days should cover it.

Obviously anyone developing a serious case in the lock-down population would be transferred to the hospital population.

So a month should allow for the lock-down to be lifted, but then you really would want to limit flights and have screening at airports and ferries. Schools could re-open, but realistically, you can scratch this year and might as well hold off until September and repeat the current year next year.

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP