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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #4382
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Can't sell cigarettes to the dead, I suppose. A lot of these people kicking the bucket are smokers.

    According to all the health information we have had to date, smokers die 15 years younger than average. So very few of them will get to the age where most of the deaths from Covid are concentrated.
    So, it’s unlikely that many of them are/were smokers.


  • #4383
    SuperTortoise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,429 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Going by reports of most countries a full lockdown extending beyond 3-4 weeks seems to start to fail


    I think when people see close to 1000 people die per day as we see in Italy and Spain it might re-focus their thoughts.


    That's another positive aspect of testing as much as possible, when we see a couple of hundred positive tests per day people might think sure we're grand , nothing to worry about, when in fact the true number is probably closer to 10 times that ammount.


  • #4384
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    Thanks for posting this as it’s what I’ve been arguing is the case for days.

    No bother but just look at the rest of the replies first since I posted it. Seems to still be a bit of confusion.

    Like I said he is usually fairly accurate but given the way the figures are presented theres still some confusion, nobody seems to get a straight answer.


  • #4385
    Allinall
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Prof. Philip Nolan

    I'd take his predictions with a large pinch of salt.

    https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/professor-philip-nolan-hints-could-21785071


  • #4386
    GooglePlus
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    According to all the health information we have had to date, smokers die 15 years younger than average. So very few of them will get to the age where most of the deaths from Covid are concentrated.
    So, it’s unlikely that many of them are/were smokers.

    That would make the average age of death for a smoker 65, which is prime pickings for Covid-19, especially if you're a smoker.

    Plenty of smokers living past that as well I'm sure.


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  • #4387
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

    Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

    A lot of self entitled sorts around that location so no surprise really.


  • #4388
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Tanner Cold Needlepoint wrote: »
    Thanks for posting this as it’s what I’ve been arguing is the case for days.

    I await the apologies from a number of posters.

    The only consolation is that it suggests the system is under less pressure than might have been the case.


  • #4389
    Away With The Fairies
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    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Which is exactly why reduced new case numbers across Europe have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    It could be because of restrictions. Equally it could be because of the reagents supply issues you mention.

    We simply don't know.

    Cue the usual suspects saying "you are a doom-monger".

    I hope people don't think we're doing well because we're not.


  • #4390
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,128 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    gabeeg wrote: »
    Or the ability.

    This insistence that any criticism levelled at the gov is simply for political point scoring is dull as ****.

    If they were well made criticisms you'd have a point, but they are not.

    But when the criticism consists of petty name calling, like "Varadkardashian" (hilarious :rolleyes: ) it's hard not to determine that the commentary is based entirely on a personal dislike of the politicians, parties and civil authorities.


  • #4391
    Blanco100
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    Allinall wrote: »
    I'd take his predictions with a large pinch of salt.

    https://www.rsvplive.ie/news/irish-news/professor-philip-nolan-hints-could-21785071

    Jesus that article is garbage. Success because its 295 cases instead of 3000. How can you have 3000 cases when testing is ****.

    Know someone in hospital with it, zero contact tracing done as of this morning.

    The press conferences every evening are a PR exercise.


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  • #4392
    [Deleted User]
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    An Ciarraioch wrote: »
    The only consolation is that it suggests the system is under less pressure than might have been the case.

    This is why I have been highlighting it as the number in ICU will be less, possibly much less than the numbers quoted.

    They should be reporting the current figure but they are not.


  • #4393
    Doctors room ghost
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    Valhallapt wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if there isn't now spare capacity in china for testing, seeing as their peak is over, could we put some swabs on the next flight to Beijing to be tested?





    I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.


  • #4394
    GooglePlus
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    BanditLuke wrote: »
    A lot of self entitled sorts around that location so no surprise really.

    A lot of people doing well for themselves and the odd arsehole in the mix but you'll have that anywhere.


  • #4395
    obi604
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,332 ✭✭✭obi604


    I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

    Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.


  • #4396
    [Deleted User]
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    Akabusi wrote: »
    No problem, when the HSE rang me with my result, they asked me when i last had any of the symptoms. As I had been clear for 8 days when they rang they said I was now free to stop self isolating. I mentioned my sons symptoms and the advice was that the rest of the family enter a new two week self isolation. We all have been house bound since the 15th March. I have one of the masks I got when being tested, i'll be wearing this in the supermarket. Also just before i leave I will change into newly cleaned clothes before leaving the house for fear of the virus being on what I'm wearing and I bring it out with me.

    Now that you were confirmed positive and recovered, you have no need to wear a mask as you are clear of the virus, and immune to reinfection. Good hygiene both leaving and returning to the house are important lest you either bring it from your household, or bring it into the rest of your family.

    As the country moves forward issuing people such as yourself "recovered" certs may be important. There is no reason why, while adhering to good hygiene practices, you should not be permitted to travel more freely, especially if one was in a position to aid the most vulnerable.


  • #4397
    neckedit
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    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.

    Haha... love it.


  • #4398
    deise08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭deise08


    Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

    Is it the mean age being given or median age?
    Ask it twice just to clarify.
    Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.


  • #4399
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,776 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


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  • #4400
    the.red.baron
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    The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list


  • #4401
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall


    deise08 wrote: »
    Maybe some of the journalists reading this can ask at the conference...

    Is it the mean age being given or median age?
    Ask it twice just to clarify.
    Then we'll know once and for all when we hear it from the horses mouth.

    It's the median.

    they say it clearly in every press conference.


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  • #4402
    Roger_007
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    That would make the average age of death for a smoker 65, which is prime pickings for Covid-19, especially if you're a smoker.

    Plenty of smokers living past that as well I'm sure.

    I think we’ll have to wait until all the stats relating to this episode are analysed before jumping to any conclusions. It will be important to know for the future which health conditions put people at most risk from this type of outbreak. Many conditions can leave our immune systems compromised.


  • #4403
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Ashleigh1986 wrote:
    I live near one of the test centres in galway . The numbers attending to be tested has plummeted to just a handful per day . It's obvious there's a major backlog in actual tests that have been done BUT THE DELAY IS IN THE LABS THAT ARE DOING THE SAMPLES . Does anyone know how many people are actually processing the samples ??? What's the point of doing tests if they results cannot be returned in a 3 day period. What expertise is required to carry out these tests ? Why aren't more people been recruited / shifted form certain work to speed up this process ?

    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.


  • #4404
    Inquitus
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    the.red.baron wrote: »
    The Indian numbers must be the most sketchy on the list

    Yep, they are not testing at all extensively, they don't have the capacity to, or the hospital beds for this, once it gets embedded in the community there they are in big trouble.


  • #4405
    LuckyLloyd
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    These restrictions sound great on paper but I was on lower Baggot St. yesterday and the place was bustling.

    Went for a walk yesterday evening to Herbert Park and there was loads out. A Garda van was driving around the park but no interventions at all. Loads in threes and fours out kicking ball or just hanging out.

    Well I live on lower Baggot St and the first part of your post is a complete lie.

    It is quieter here than the quietest Sunday during the day, and practically deserted after business hours.

    Bear in mind that this is one of the busiest streets in the entire country during the working week, it is all about relativity in terms of analysing the effect of the restrictions.


  • #4406
    ArchXStanton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ArchXStanton


    Relation of mine was taken away in an ambulance yesterday and tested positive for corona, seemingly he picked it up in Italy were he drives trucks, that's 4 cases in my town with 1 dead. A bit too close to home


  • #4407
    jackboy
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Any idea what country the reagent is manufactured in? Is there just one company producing the reagent?


  • #4408
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    I wouldn’t trust them to tell you the time of day not to mind test results.


    If we need more tests done quickly we should send some away if there is capacity somewhere else. Each batch could have known Positive/ negative control samples in them so that we could verify that those samples were correct. We could also send samples that have been split in to an A and B sample and then test our A sample when we have the capacity.This is what they do for drug tests for athletes.


    The regime for testing is broken at the moment and we need to face up to that, it is a vital part of the fight against the pandemic. Testing means that we know where to target our resources and it means that we can get vital health care workers back into the system quicker when we know they are negative.


  • #4409
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

    How long should someone be symptom free before returning to normal?


  • #4410
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    obi604 wrote: »
    I see Tony Holohan is in hospital - for something unrelated to Corona

    Probably stress. Not surprised. Every day on the nations airwaves, high pressure stuff.

    Hope he gets well soon. The weeks of non stop work must be taking their toll. Not a day goes by that hes not doing interviews somewhere.


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  • #4411
    tobefrank321
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    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Delays are due to an international shortage of reagents.

    Testing was being carried out in 12 labs around the country and being ramped up on a daily basis until suppliers couldn't fulfil demand. That is not the fault of the government or the labs.

    Even if results were turned around in 3 days people should still isolate for 14 days. Anyone with a fever, fatigue, chest tightness etc shouldn't be rushing back to work because they were negative.

    And even if they are negative, we should all be isolating anyway. Not having the virus now doesnt mean you won't contract it next week.

    Medical Scientists or clinical scientists carry out the tests in accredited laboratories. Some staff have been acquired to help with the pre-analytical processes but testing has to be performed by qualified personnel.

    Question Martina. If you don't have a positive covid 19 test result, can you apply for government assistance? Many people will be tempted to keep working if they haven't got a test result.


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