CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

shinny · 01-04-2020 11:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Holohan has been asked and said it would be useful but now is not the time for us.

I suppose that's fair enough. Perhaps when we peak it would be a time to begin looking at this.

weldoninhio · 01-04-2020 11:49AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Funny that you say that but are constantly putting the boot into the efforts being massage to contain the virus and have made no positive contribution to these threads.

You have only engaged in petty political point scoring. It's absolutely pathetic.

So if i'm putting the boot into FF, FG, SF, and now the SD. What political party am I scoring points for?? :rolleyes:

Roger_007 · 01-04-2020 11:50AM

Palmach wrote: »

Yeah it is. A small cabal will always want more power when they have free reign. Many countries have less restrictions than us and many have more. I think we have the balance right. The civil service is hard wired to think or more and more rules. Once liberties are taken away they are slow to be returned. A point lost on the army of cretins on social media looking for their freedoms to be taken away.

Nobody knows yet what the right balance is. If you impose a particularly strict regime, can it be sustained for long enough?
Everyone is watching Sweden. They have not imposed as strict a regime as most other countries in Europe and social activities go on almost as normal there, but, because the regime is not so strict, it probably can sustained for much longer and may be more effective in the long run.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 11:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Balancing the economic pressures is being increasingly talked about. But easing of restrictions doesnt mean 'back to normal'. It will still mean pubs are shut, large gatherings are banned, social distancing is applied (ie. limits to numbers in cafes and stores), schools are closed, everyone still works from home. But that businesses / retail can re-open, travel limitations are relaxed. I would expect that this slightly lighter restriction will prevail for a number of months

We should also have to wear masks

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 11:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We should also have to wear masks

They've said no to this based on evidence but you can wear one if you choose.

the.red.baron · 01-04-2020 11:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

We should also have to wear masks

which you can't get and haven't been able to get for the last 2 months

so no

stay at home is more effective especially if ill

Akabusi · 01-04-2020 11:53AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Just the ignorance. This is why it's spreading.

What if one of her kids picked it up and not showed signs, and they're going about the place as if everything is fine. They should introduce fines for all the ignorance.

Totally correct, I had it and just when we thought we were clear of it, my son developed symptoms. There is the possibility in the next two weeks that the one of the other three kids and wife develop symptoms (or simply get it and don't show symptoms). For my wife, the self isolation continues, I at least can now go to the shop and get the groceries.

Loafing Oaf · 01-04-2020 11:53AM

ITman88 wrote: »

Well will relax restrictions on the 12th of April, from then maintain social distance etc, no way the 2km restriction from your home will be adhered to much longer.
Social distance will stay for a while, pubs and restaurants will need to try and reopen late April and send kids to school, life must go on

paw patrol wrote: »

I think he makes a fair point , but we'll be back to normal before those dates

We can't afford the current situation and people will get restless. The common good mantra will only work so long before public order will breakdown.
Lives need to be lived and people will only be content to live on 350e for so long

scamalert wrote: »

at least someone not hysteric or delusional totally agree end of April should see us back to slow re-open and some sort of normalcy.

for those who ask why end of April, its simple 2 weeks now is more the enough that has been done, and if theres no manageable decline after next 2 weeks its pointless to put any more restrictions in place as it will just irritate people and seriously impact where employment income is concerned for most.

Permission to quote these posts again if we are still in total lockdown in a month's time?

MrMusician18 · 01-04-2020 11:54AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So if i'm putting the boot into FF, FG, SF, and now the SD. What political party am I scoring points for?? :rolleyes:

Only you know what your logic is.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out.

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 11:55AM

Akabusi wrote: »

Totally correct, I had it and just when we thought we were clear of it, my son developed symptoms. There is the possibility in the next two weeks that the one of the other three kids and wife develop symptoms (or simply get it and don't show symptoms). For my wife, the self isolation continues, I at least can now go to the shop and get the groceries.

Is that official advice?

owlbethere · 01-04-2020 11:55AM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

If everyone who arrived was quarantined at the airport for 14 days there would have been no significant spread here. Allowing new arrivals to spend their 'self isolation' with their families is just a recipe for further spread at home.

Trying to justify an 'open door' policy now is just plain reckless with the public's health, no matter how badly we have managed it in the past

Trusting the population with self isolation was disasterous too. I have first hand experience of someone who says they will continue going to the shop if they need to self isolate (instead of doing a bit of a stock pile shop).

Some people will do what is required and others not. Also, natives arriving into the country may not have any fresh milk and other food at home and are likely to stop at a shop for supplies.

voluntary · 01-04-2020 11:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They've said no to this based on evidence but you can wear one if you choose.

The evidence was - there's a massive shortage of masks. So better reserve the remaining ones for the people who need them most.

whiskeyman · 01-04-2020 11:58AM

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

gabeeg · 01-04-2020 11:59AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Only you know what your logic is.

I don't have the time nor the inclination to find out.

Or the ability.

This insistence that any criticism levelled at the gov is simply for political point scoring is dull as ****.

Away With The Fairies · 01-04-2020 11:59AM

whiskeyman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

Can you come back and post this tomorrow, I might believe you then.

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 12:00PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

yes lockdowns long term seem to fail, thats why they need to start with the test test test approach, but at least in Spain they don't seem arsed about it, they are only testing people in hospital.

My brother in law is a fireman, they are finding bodies in houses that died of covid, but aren't counted as covid deaths.

total ****show

Germany seems to be doing things right.

It was the same in Italy.

Its obvious covid 19 was rampant in Italy before first being diagnosed there and also in Spain. Thousands of cases under the radar by the time they started testing. And also the same here and in the UK. Asymptomatic and mild sufferers have been spreading it for months.

owlbethere · 01-04-2020 12:00PM

john4321 wrote: »

PUBLISHED: 08:24, Wed, Apr 1, 2020

It's no time for April fools jokes around this Covid-19.

paw patrol · 01-04-2020 12:01PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Permission to quote these posts again if we are still in total lockdown in a month's time?

sure!
cos if we are - I'll be lamenting the situation and you can kick me when i'm down.:pac:

I just don't think we can afford to be in lockdown come 1st may financially or by other metrics.

we will see.

Ace2007 · 01-04-2020 12:01PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

Regardless of whether an April Fools or not, would you have a vaccine injected into you with only a few months worth of tests, if most vaccines take a year+ to be developed?

It could prevent this virus - but you could develop something far worse that won't be discovered for years to come for instance.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 12:02PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-japan/japan-on-the-brink-as-it-struggles-to-hold-back-coronavirus-idUSKBN21I3LX?utm_source=reddit.com
Japanese medics increasingly worried about potential epidemic in Tokyo

devnull · 01-04-2020 12:04PM

Absolutely scandalous revelations about the UK on Sky News now from Labour MP Peter Kyle.

Care homes are being limited to 5 tests per care home and over 75s who have coronavirus have been told they will not admitted to hospital when they test positive for the virus.

In addition in one care home a number of their residents have been offered do not resuscitate orders and 16 residents have signed them which is happening - apparently these offers are happening en-masse rather than in a thoughtful and caring setting with families.

It does seem that these people are essentially having their lives written off - no wonder the government don't want to include care home deaths and are only reporting hospital death figures!

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 12:04PM

Between 15 and 25 March, new cases in Spain were growing at a rate of 20% a day. From 25 March, however, that rate dropped to 12% according to officials.

caveat emptor · 01-04-2020 12:05PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

That is crazy. I thought that was the worst April fools joke ever. Found this about how they developed ebola vaccine. Strange times.

https://time.com/3457472/see-how-ebola-drugs-grow-in-tobacco-leaves/

Akabusi · 01-04-2020 12:08PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Is that official advice?

Yes, I developed symptoms on the 15th March and I'm symptom free for the last 9 days. I can therefore leave the house to buy groceries, which I plan to do tomorrow. Up till now we have been getting our food delivered.

Nollog · 01-04-2020 12:08PM

devnull wrote: »

Absolutely scandalous revelations about the UK on Sky News now from Labour MP Peter Kyle.

Care homes are being limited to 5 tests per care home and over 75s who have coronavirus have been told they will not admitted to hospital when they test positive for the virus.

In addition in one care home a number of their residents have been offered do not resuscitate orders and 16 residents have signed them which is happening - apparently these offers are happening en-masse rather than in a thoughtful and caring setting with families.

It does seem that these people are essentially having their lives written off - no wonder the government don't want to include care home deaths and are only reporting hospital death figures!

We were explained this a month back, it's why theyve been saying "triage" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triage
This is why we're not coughing on our parents/grandparents/inferm

devnull · 01-04-2020 12:08PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

Think about it logically, BAT's best customers are their heavy smoking addicts, which are most likely to have lung conditions which puts them at risk of dying.

If a lot of heavy smoking addicts die it will be bad for business, hence a vaccine is top priority for them.

GooglePlus · 01-04-2020 12:09PM

Can't sell cigarettes to the dead, I suppose. A lot of these people kicking the bucket are smokers.

Akrasia · 01-04-2020 12:09PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Scotland to ban the sale of alcohol during pandemic period, I can see some Scots rioting because of this, stuck in the house and dry. https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1262135/alcohol-ban-UK-has-alcohol-been-banned-UK-ban-alcohol-sales-hoax-government-letter

That has to be the most irresponsible article I have seen in a very long time. Its trying to spread a rumour that will cause panic buying of alcohol and could cause crowding in shops that could end up costing lives.

Utterly shameful

Professor Moriarty · 01-04-2020 12:11PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Yes, I developed symptoms on the 15th March and I'm symptom free for the last 9 days. I can therefore leave the house to buy groceries, which I plan to do tomorrow. Up till now we have been getting our food delivered.

Not having a go, just interested. Were you diagnosed? Did your doctor say you were now not infectious or couldn't be reinfected?

Inquitus · 01-04-2020 12:11PM

whiskeyman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/alexralph/status/1245257988979515393?s=19

Not an April fools!!

The company that ruined millions of lungs worldwide may be working to save them...

Dead smokers can't smoke!

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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP