CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) Read OP

All that fandango · 01-04-2020 11:11AM

Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.

tobefrank321 · 01-04-2020 11:11AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Big problem is our back door in the north. Would it be possible to restrict travel between there and 'mainland Britain'?

Foster and the DUP need to be convinced of this. I think connectivity is limited enough at the moment from NI to the mainland. An airline went out of business recently and other airlines have grounded flights. Its a problem alright. We can't really control north-south travel too much. We can control who comes in on flights though and where they go. We're an island after all or so we've been told.

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 11:13AM

pH wrote: »

The US does not have a centralised health system controlled by a government department that reports to the president. It's a complex system of private and state bodies with some federal oversight (FDA etc.)

So without 'grabbing' any power or doing anything you would consider authoritarian, what exactly should Trump have done and when?

In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. This was part of his lunatic effort to get rid of anything Obama had started.

Read the fourth and fifth paragraph here :- https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/31/coronavirus-china-trump-united-states-public-health-emergency-response/

And BTW I Trump is evil incarnate.

Ger Roe · 01-04-2020 11:13AM

ITman88 wrote: »

A positive test won’t save his life, a ventilator will.
Everyone has been told if you have symptoms isolate, a positive test will make very little difference

To the individual yes, a test makes very little difference (would be good to know if you have had it and are now recovered, or are still at risk). But, tests were being done for public health reasons, to protect society - they are the trigger for contact tracing. If tests are not confirmed, tracing is not effective and we loose vital data on who where and how many are infected.

Having now reached this point, the only critical stats at this moment are ICU bed capacity and deaths.

The ship has sailed in terms of trying to estimate the total infection rate, because we do not have the trigger info (confirmed test) to commence the tracing process.

Is it time to tell those who are awaiting tests and are assuming they have it (as per instruction) to undertake contact tracing themselves and let people within their circle know? Up to now, that was not advised on the chance that the person awaiting the test was negative - can we still support that approach if we are now testing far less and finding more positive cases?

iamwhoiam · 01-04-2020 11:13AM

All that fandango wrote: »

Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.

Ring the GP ., they will write the prescription and hand it to you at the door .Or they can mail it to the chemist and you pick it up there

ricero · 01-04-2020 11:13AM

We are simply are not testing enough in this country.

Agressive testing should be a priority in preventing more deaths.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 11:13AM

So obviously there were many tens of thousands of cases in America a while before any of these tests confirmed that, the tests just putting a vague numeric estimate on it. And deaths have now gone from about 100 deaths two weeks ago to over 4000. So with such a volume of cases clearly existing before two weeks ago, does this mean there were also a lot of people dying of coronavirus in the US before two weeks ago too? How could that have been missed, dont they do tests/autopsies on people who die of infectious diseases?

Doctors room ghost · 01-04-2020 11:14AM

All that fandango wrote: »

Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.

Ring your surgery and the receptionist will have the prescription ready also ring the chemist and they will have meds ready if it’s a regular script.
Collect prescription then and put in envelope with money and give it to pharmacist.
They won’t dispense prescription meds without prescription

nacho libre · 01-04-2020 11:15AM

gabeeg wrote: »

Sorry, but our testing has been so limited that it's very difficult to get a good picture of where we are with this crisis and when we'll see a peak and subsequent reduction.

When they eventually crank it up to an acceptable level we'll start to get an idea of how we're doing, and then we can start to speculate about getting back to normal.

Right now there's not a single person in the country with a clear picture of how this will pan out.

So the BBC report about cases going down from 33 per cent to 15 per cent is misleading because the testing in this country is not adequate?

Loafing Oaf · 01-04-2020 11:16AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

LOL this is quite conservative too.

What do you think doomsday is it?

Can't see any lifting of restrictions until widespread testing has confirmed the number of new cases has fallen to 'manageable levels', particularly as the uber-cautious Micheal Martin is likely to be running the show soon...

paw patrol · 01-04-2020 11:16AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dream on...

I think he makes a fair point , but we'll be back to normal before those dates

We can't afford the current situation and people will get restless. The common good mantra will only work so long before public order will breakdown.
Lives need to be lived and people will only be content to live on 350e for so long

Pheonix10 wrote: »

LOL this is quite conservative too.

What do you think doomsday is it?

voluntary · 01-04-2020 11:17AM

ricero wrote: »

We are simply are not testing enough in this country.

Agressive testing should be a priority in preventing more deaths.

The gov/HSE is unable to secure more tests. HSE said last night that they're struggling with the shortage of tests. Hence only 1500 done per day last week.

scamalert · 01-04-2020 11:18AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Thinking of an expected timeline:

Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in

at least someone not hysteric or delusional totally agree end of April should see us back to slow re-open and some sort of normalcy.

for those who ask why end of April, its simple 2 weeks now is more the enough that has been done, and if theres no manageable decline after next 2 weeks its pointless to put any more restrictions in place as it will just irritate people and seriously impact where employment income is concerned for most.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 11:19AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Can't see any lifting of restrictions until widespread testing has confirmed the number of new cases has fallen to 'manageable levels', particularly as the uber-cautious Micheal Martin is likely to be running the show soon...

No, the real Taoiseach will be the Svengali-like character of Tony Holohan!

nacho libre · 01-04-2020 11:20AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Lockdown should mean lockdown. It makes no sense to restrict travel within a country but allow people come in from hotspots like London and Paris unrestricted. That's not a lockdown. You are talking of a couple hundred people travelling in who are potentially going to cause a problem with new cases for the remaining 4.7 million. Really makes no sense.

In Australia those who come back into the country must self-isolate in a hotel for 14 days. We should have that here when restrictions ease, so we don't have the same problem Hong Kong had when they lifted restrictions on travel.

Maggie Benson · 01-04-2020 11:20AM

All that fandango wrote: »

Just a quick question hoping its ok to post in this thread. My usual prescription ran out a few days ago. If it was any other time I would go to the docs to get another script written out for it for another 6 months. I need this medication again by Friday. Do I still have to go to the doctors just to get him to write me a new script or can I just ask the pharmacy for the medication over the counter so I dont have to go to the doctors and risk catching? (Its the contaceptive pill btw Ive been on it for years so the pharmacy staff know me). Thanks.

Just phone the Doctor and they can email your prescription to the pharmacy.

Talisman · 01-04-2020 11:20AM

JaimeLannister wrote: »

Very good info in that HSE report. Anyone know if they publish it daily?

Yes.

Look under the "Daily COVID-19 surveillance reports" heading on this page:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/

quokula · 01-04-2020 11:20AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So obviously there were many tens of thousands of cases in America a while before any of these tests confirmed that, the tests just putting a vague numeric estimate on it. And deaths have now gone from about 100 deaths two weeks ago to over 4000. So with such a volume of cases clearly existing before two weeks ago, does this mean there were also a lot of people dying of coronavirus in the US before two weeks ago too? How could that have been missed, dont they do tests/autopsies on people who die of infectious diseases?

When my Grandad died a couple of years ago, he was in his late 80s, caught some bug going around, ended up in hospital with pneumonia, and died a week later. A tragedy for us but business as usual for a hospital, nobody would ever consider an autopsy for such a case.

Statistics like annual flu deaths are calculated through models and estimation - at a very simplified level, you subtract death rate outside of flu season from death rate during flu season, to get deaths caused by flu. It's not at all routine to actually test for it when people have died because it's such a common thing.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 11:22AM

Astoundingly little testing being done in many developing countries

Algeria 44 deaths and just over 700 cases
Morocco 36 deaths and just 640 cases
Egypt 46 deaths and just 700 cases
Indonesia 157 deaths and just 1670 cases

Given the very young average of these countries there should be at least 40,000 cases between them based on the number of deaths recorded. So at least 95% of cases being missed. And it does matter because if there are no cases being confirmed it means there are no contacts being traced and it only gets worse from there

Palmach · 01-04-2020 11:22AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Yeahhh...... That's not how it works.:rolleyes:

Yeah it is. A small cabal will always want more power when they have free reign. Many countries have less restrictions than us and many have more. I think we have the balance right. The civil service is hard wired to think or more and more rules. Once liberties are taken away they are slow to be returned. A point lost on the army of cretins on social media looking for their freedoms to be taken away.

Palmach · 01-04-2020 11:25AM

scamalert wrote: »

at least someone not hysteric or delusional totally agree end of April should see us back to slow re-open and some sort of normalcy.

for those who ask why end of April, its simple 2 weeks now is more the enough that has been done, and if theres no manageable decline after next 2 weeks its pointless to put any more restrictions in place as it will just irritate people and seriously impact where employment income is concerned for most.

Good post.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 11:26AM

More problems with supply chains and they can't fly in workers from their normal source- Nepal. Guardian feed @11.21

The world’s biggest medical glove manufacturer in Malaysia is battling with a shortage of workers as it tries to meet a huge surge in demand, with countries running low on personal protective equipment stocks due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

Rob A. Bank · 01-04-2020 11:28AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't think it would have.

Let's take Italy as an example.

If Irish skiers (which I think is where a lot of infections here have come from) in Italy were denied flights home they would have traveled him via another route, such as Austria, France or Switzerland. They would not have simply stayed in Italy.

These people probably went to Italy, caught the virus, and came home before even the first death in Italy.

Trumps stopped European flights with little impact.

The virus was already in the community here before any concerns about Italy or Spain were apparant.

If everyone who arrived was quarantined at the airport for 14 days there would have been no significant spread here. Allowing new arrivals to spend their 'self isolation' with their families is just a recipe for further spread at home.

Trying to justify an 'open door' policy now is just plain reckless with the public's health, no matter how badly we have managed it in the past

weldoninhio · 01-04-2020 11:29AM

Yurt! wrote: »

This post wouldn't have anything to do with the political party she is a member of would it?

No, ridiculous, absolutely not. You're a level headed guy that wouldn't seek to do such a thing.

I've zero political affiliation.

I'd no idea what party she was from until i went back on there to get her name, all i'd seen was that she was a TD, her username is Jennifer Whitmore TD, no mention of any party. SD's got a vote from me in the last election. Their candidate was one of the only ones that knocked on my door and seemed like a decent and genuine lad.

Gynoid · 01-04-2020 11:30AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So obviously there were many tens of thousands of cases in America a while before any of these tests confirmed that, the tests just putting a vague numeric estimate on it. And deaths have now gone from about 100 deaths two weeks ago to over 4000. So with such a volume of cases clearly existing before two weeks ago, does this mean there were also a lot of people dying of coronavirus in the US before two weeks ago too? How could that have been missed, dont they do tests/autopsies on people who die of infectious diseases?

I think the main thing that could not be missed is ICU systems overwhelm.
Deaths could be missed for a while because ...well...people are always dying.
A novel virus could be missed for a while, because there are so many of the blighters, and a fair number seem to have mild to no symptoms.
It is the reports from ICUs that impact my analysis of what the bloody hell could be going on.
Does one normally see reports from widely distant lands of so many struggling to breathe, people on ventilators, ICU doctors gasping that they are overwhelmed and exhausted, people waiting prone on corridors, refrigerated trucks, etc...?
Not that I can remember. Except post catastrophe like tsunami or earthquake etc.

I don't know. Does anyone remember ICU overwhelm stories like the ones being reported?

DevilsHaircut · 01-04-2020 11:30AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

To the individual yes, a test makes very little difference (would be good to know if you have had it and are now recovered, or are still at risk). But, tests were being done for public health reasons, to protect society - they are the trigger for contact tracing. If tests are not confirmed, tracing is not effective and we loose vital data on who where and how many are infected.

Having now reached this point, the only critical stats at this moment are ICU bed capacity and deaths.

The ship has sailed in terms of trying to estimate the total infection rate, because we do not have the trigger info (confirmed test) to commence the tracing process.

Is it time to tell those who are awaiting tests and are assuming they have it (as per instruction) to undertake contact tracing themselves and let people within their circle know? Up to now, that was not advised on the chance that the person awaiting the test was negative - can we still support that approach if we are now testing far less and finding more positive cases?

Contact tracing is now thankfully less important as the average number of contacts is 3 (see CMO briefings).

These 3 people are mostly the people that patients live with (who would be expected to get infected anyway, so identifying them is not very important from the public health perspective).

This constant emphasis on testing delays is really obscuring the important message on maximum social distancing.

is_that_so · 01-04-2020 11:31AM

Greece may now be seeing the pressure of extended lockdown. Guardian feed @ 11.28.

As Greece enters its third week since restrictive measures were first imposed to combat the spread of coronavirus, there is mounting concern that fatigue is setting in amid signs of people beginning to flout the policies.

CrabRevolution · 01-04-2020 11:34AM

IspeakcozIcan wrote: »

Testing is really descending into a complete mess now. This is terrible. Nursing home resident was tested on 23 March and no results received, subsequently died last night and still don't know whether they were positive or negative.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1245272347101343745

I won't excuse the testing delays, but I'm not sure what the testing has to do with that person's death. If they were sick enough to die and it was in their best interests they'd be brought to hospital whether there was a positive Covid-19 test or not.

It's not like we've stopped treating diseases like pneumonia and flu in the meantime.

wakka12 · 01-04-2020 11:34AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Greece may now be seeing the pressure of extended lockdown. Guardian feed @ 11.28.

Going by reports of most countries a full lockdown extending beyond 3-4 weeks seems to start to fail

Ethereal Cereal · 01-04-2020 11:34AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Thinking of an expected timeline:

Cases to peak in the next 2 weeks by 15 April.
Restrictions lifted on travel on May 1st back to what we had before last Friday.
Cases start to reduce until a manageable level around 20th of May.
Schools go back early June & Shops reopen.
Everyone who can work from home continues to do so.
Pubs reopen mid/late June with a rule that they can only let 50% of capacity in

Yea, I'd agree with most of this, its a bit conservative but I would say we will be lucky if we end up only with these restrictions. Its going to be a long long time before we're all crowded into bars and clubs again.

I'm not sure about schools though. I think with it being so close to the end of term, they might keep them shut, and try finish off the leaving cert year and exams over summer months, on a remote learning basis. Creche's available for health care staff only.

Also, this reply made me laugh, probably for the wrong reasons

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dream on...

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