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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #2732
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    So we have a three body problem.
    • paddy C
    • HSE
    • irish times

    HSE say no deaths
    https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841?s=20
    Irish Times have report on one last Friday.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892
    Paddy C (aka devil) said there were four.


    1, 2 or all 3 are lying / misinformed.
    HSE wording seems suspect.
    I wouldn't think a newspaper would getting something so inflammatory wrong.

    Who knows.

    #notpaddy
    #comebackstronger


  • #2733
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    World-wide COVID-19 deaths/resolved = 32582/197148 = 16.53%.

    Lovely charts and graphs as usual.
    guardian.co.uk, based on John Hopkins University 30th March

    Usual caveats,
    confirmed < > infected
    confirmed totally inconsistent metric across countries and time
    confirmed deaths from COVID-19 <> total deaths attributable to COVID-19


  • #2734
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Unless you have a fumehood or bunsen burner, you can’t keep things aseptic. If you thoroughly clean your hands entering the house, normal house cleanliness should be fine.

    But the one i would say people are going to get caught out on, is your products you buy in shop were shelf stacked most likely that day.

    If the shelf stacker has been coughing, sneezing, wiping their snout with there hands and then stacking its on your packaging.

    Before anything enters my house, every thing is wiped down and cleaned in the garden and transferred into a know clean bag from the house.

    My clothes are deposited in a box in the porch before i go in to shower.


  • #2735
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    devnull wrote: »
    Another reduction in deaths and cases in Lombardy, looks like it really is flattening.

    Bloody Marvelous

    It can and will be defeated


  • #2736
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    2lazytogetup wrote: »
    it was more the nursing homes rather than hospitals that i was wondering about. thoughts??

    Sorry, what's the question?


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  • #2737
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Latest Lombardy Figures

    New Deaths 381, down from 458 yesterday.
    New Cases 1047, down from 1154 yesterday

    Curve is seemingly flattening there.


  • #2738
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Stats based on random testing of hospital patients can't be extrapolated to the general population.

    Why not..? It was patients who had come into hospital for reasons unrelated to COVID, car crash, heart attack, etc.


  • #2739
    ThePopehimself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭ThePopehimself


    I sometimes wonder at some of the people I share the planet with… :confused:

    Covid-19: Irish family stranded in Peru enjoy kindness of strangers
    The Irish Times


    So Christina Park, her husband and their two boys were "enjoying a year-long South American adventure" when the Peruvian government announced a complete lockdown.

    “Dreams of continuing to Machu Picchu, Lake Titicaca and the Atacama Desert evaporated”.

    News - of a Global Pandemic - seemed “very distant” until the sudden crackdown. :rolleyes:

    “With very few reported cases in South America, we felt we had weeks before movement might be restricted.
    The couple were ‘bemused’ when they saw their Staff at their hotel in Ecuador wearing surgical masks. Their main worry?... “That it might frighten the children,” she said.:rolleyes:

    In the beginning, Ms Park said she had mentioned to a local that people in Ireland and France were being told that they could go for a walk as long as they did not come close to other people .
    “We don’t have the health system they have,” replied the local. “If you had the situation here that you have ... it would be chaos.”

    The family were on Sunday's repatriation flight.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-irish-family-stranded-in-peru-enjoy-kindness-of-strangers-1.4214116


  • #2740
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    India handling this very badly.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/india-wracked-by-greatest-exodus-since-partition-due-to-coronavirus


  • #2741
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,785 ✭✭✭✭josip


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    I have a 3M respirator mask in the car similar to the one Wibbs posted a pic of that he has some time back, protective eye wear and Vinyl gloves.

    If I encounter a checkpoint I will signal for them to wait one minute, put on my mask, glasses and gloves and then engage with them.


    I've a balaclava.


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  • #2742
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,837 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    UK cases up 3,009


  • #2743
    Shelly66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Shelly66


    Parents act responsibly please for sake of your kids. Just walked dog along Fairview and park full of people. Ok if doing your daily walk but there are families with kids at skateboard area bikes skateboards all playing, touching railings etc on it . Others in groups playing basketball. Can they not cop on too the new restrictions and how important it is for everyone to play their part


  • #2744
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Why not..? It was patients who had come into hospital for reasons unrelated to COVID, car crash, heart attack, etc.

    Because many of them are already immunocompromised due to their injuries/conditions. Plus a hospitals are hotspots due to healthcare workers being much more exposed to the virus.


  • #2745
    BloodBath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭BloodBath


    bekker wrote: »
    World-wide COVID-19 deaths/resolved = 32582/197148 = 16.53%.

    Lovely charts and graphs as usual.
    guardian.co.uk, based on John Hopkins University 30th March

    Usual caveats,
    confirmed < > infected
    confirmed totally inconsistent metric across countries and time
    confirmed deaths from COVID-19 <> total deaths attributable to COVID-19

    A pretty meaningless figure when most recoveries are not tested with no estimate of unconfirmed cases.

    The actual death rate is being estimated to be between 0.6% and 0.7% at the moment putting it at 6-7 times deadlier than the flu.


  • #2746
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Because many of them are already immunocompromised due to their injuries/conditions. Plus a hospitals are hotspots due to healthcare workers being much more exposed to the virus.

    Thats true, youre right. Yeh by no means a guarantee but there is definitely a hint there that it is quite widespread if you have that many randomers testing positive


  • #2747
    auspicious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭auspicious


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Good point. Also Ireland has one of the highest rates of hypertension (high blood pressure) in the western world. 1 in 4 may have it either known or unknown. Its a risk factor for getting a more severe dose of CV than normal. A lot of people unfortunately can't assume that "I'll be grand, it won't affect me much".

    There is scientific data out there that suggests some diets available to us are better at reducing blood pressure and diabetes and heart disease risk than others.


  • #2748
    EDit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 819 ✭✭✭EDit


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    On this, age itself is an underlying condition in a way (diminished immune system). I like to see the ages of people succumbing without an underlying condition. I’d be amazed if they aren’t mostly elderly.

    The other thing to note is that every time I have seen an article about a young “healthy” person dying, the accompanying photo is of someone who would be considered big (as in overweight or obese). It might not be listed as an “underlying condition” but I would expect obesity to increase your odds of a poor prognosis with any respiratory condition


  • #2749
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Shelly66 wrote: »
    Parents act responsibly please for sake of your kids. Just walked dog along Fairview and park full of people. Ok if doing your daily walk but there are families with kids at skateboard area bikes skateboards all playing, touching railings etc on it . Others in groups playing basketball. Can they not cop on too the new restrictions and how important it is for everyone to play their part

    Some are still treating it as Holidays.

    More restrictions on the way.......?


  • #2750
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    It’s not GDPR. It’s medical confidentiality which has been around a lot longer.

    It doesn't matter. The job of gardai is to protect the community. It actually doesn't matter who oversees this as long as someone does it, gardai, HSE, etc

    If there is someone going around a community having knowingly tested positive for covid19, there has to be consequences, otherwise we will never get a handle on this.


  • #2751
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    On this, age itself is an underlying condition in a way (diminished immune system). I like to see the ages of people succumbing without an underlying condition. I’d be amazed if they aren’t mostly elderly.

    Mostly, but by no means all 😥
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52041709


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  • #2752
    enda1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭enda1


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    The breakdown across the UK



    Capture.jpg


    Interesting difference between Scotland and Wales considering Scotland has about a 75% higher population but a similar number of casualties. For sure there are demographic, societal and density difference that will have their effect, but I just wonder also how much of an effect there has been from Scotland's quicker reaction and closure initiation of closures (schools etc.) compared to the rest of Britain.


  • #2753
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭boardise


    Strazdas wrote: »
    Totally.....that would knock supermarkets, post offices, public transport, Garda checkpoints and everything else out of the equation.

    If that's actually true about 8 metres space needed -we 'll all have to take our chances ...get it or not ,survive it or not.
    Trying to accommodate that would make life hardly worth living or even unliveable. Que sera sera etc.


  • #2754
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Multipass wrote: »
    Mostly, but by no means all 😥
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52041709

    Was not confirmed by medical staff, they believe she went into cardiac arrest for unrelated reasons. It was just the family who claimed she died from COVID 19, I think because she was ill with a cough/flu symptoms earlier in the week. Anyway, the woman has not tested positive (yet at least) for COVID.


  • #2755
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1245000124989874181?s=20


  • #2756
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,518 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    enda1 wrote: »
    Interesting difference between Scotland and Wales considering Scotland has about a 75% higher population but a similar number of casualties. For sure there are demographic, societal and density difference that will have their effect, but I just wonder also how much of an effect there has been from Scotland's quicker reaction and closure initiation of closures (schools etc.) compared to the rest of Britain.

    Scotland didn’t do anything different to the rest of the UK.

    South Wales has a direct fast rail link to London, so there would be a lot more people travelling to and from that area, which is probably how the virus spread so quickly there.


  • #2757
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    BloodBath wrote: »
    A pretty meaningless figure when most recoveries are not tested with no estimate of unconfirmed cases.

    The actual death rate is being estimated to be between 0.6% and 0.7% at the moment putting it at 6-7 times deadlier than the flu.

    How do you define the "actual" death rate?

    The rate of death if let go unmitigated and untreated?


  • #2758
    Shelly66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Shelly66


    Steve F wrote: »
    Some are still treating it as Holidays.

    More restrictions on the way.......?

    That’s exactly what husband said , we may end up like other countries no going out for walks or excercise


  • #2759
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    So we have a three body problem.
    • paddy C
    • HSE
    • irish times

    HSE say no deaths
    https://twitter.com/HSELive/status/1244942663142563841?s=20
    Irish Times have report on one last Friday.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-healthcare-worker-in-republic-dies-after-contracting-virus-1.4213892
    Paddy C (aka devil) said there were four.


    1, 2 or all 3 are lying / misinformed.
    HSE wording seems suspect.
    I wouldn't think a newspaper would getting something so inflammatory wrong.

    Who knows.

    #notpaddy
    #comebackstronger

    This lot are not a fan of the HSE or the minister so I'll believe them

    https://twitter.com/INMO_IRL/status/1244946730375929856


  • #2760
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,869 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    Unless you have a fumehood or bunsen burner, you can’t keep things aseptic. If you thoroughly clean your hands entering the house, normal house cleanliness should be just fine.

    Rather than washing and rewashing your hands why not just use the Milton spray and spray the press and and other stuff and then you don't have to wash your hands as much. :)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #2761
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Seamai wrote: »
    If a person is on medication to keep their blood pressure under control does this lower their risk?

    I obviously couldn't give you a definitive answer on this as I'm not a medical professional myself. However there is an observation over on the 'ask an HSE professional' FAQ thread:
    Yes but I would expect that well-controlled high blood pressure is less risky than poorly controlled high blood pressure. With that said even with well-controlled high blood pressure I would consider myself to be in a high risk group.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112891577&postcount=25


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