CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

bekker wrote: »

Tony Honohan was asked directly for % of doctors infected in Irish health care system, he said he didn't have any figures on that and then segued into a rambling discourse on how health workers could have acquired infection.

I've watched his performances in front of committees over the years and it's a favourite tactic of his when he eiher doesn't have an answer that he could reasonably be expected to have, or he seeks to avoid the logical follow-on.

He's very good alright. I particularly liked the "Not that I'm suggesting that might be your intention" bit before his spiel, subtle Tony.

is_that_so wrote: »

I guess you know better than the NPHET. I've found the whole process of the evolution of the public message quite fascinating, how they stepped it up, prepared us for the different stages reassured the public in a very measured fashion. I've learnt a lot from it especially that timing is everything, that the management of it is very complex and that we need to get behind the measures. It also involves complying with the present approach. which does seem to be working.

When the report is written on this it will not reference what the CMO said on an early day in March.

It's still March. He also said it again days later.

I think they've been handling this quite well ever since they did a massive u-turn. But we're still paying for those wasted first weeks.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Harris looks wrecked over on twitter.

He always looks wrecked. I used to work in the same building as him a few years ago, I remember the first time I saw him I thought, God he looks wrecked.

Question for you all. What if it comes back harder and more resistant to treatment again (be it in winter or next year or even 3 years from now)? How are we going to change as a nation or EU to deal with these events?

This lack of testing really has become a serious problem.

My wife is a health care worker and was called by her manager to say that one of her clients has tested positive. He told her there was no need for her to get tested as she isn't showing symptoms. A number of home help workers also had contact with this client. They all are to continue working as normal. Work, I might add, she has been carrying out without PPE, including hand sanitiser. She finished the 100ml bottle they gave her last week.

So, my wife who:

has had contact with a confirmed case
is a health care worker
has a spouse (me) at home with cancer

is not eligible for testing?

She called the number for HSE staff who said the same, no symptoms - no test. They gave her a local staff number. They said the same but to contact her GP. Eh, right.

BrianD3 wrote: »

No, you are wrong. 10:50 in the following video. Journalist bottled it. "Total number that have gone into ICU".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVg_TXji2hM

Yes I watched it. What did you not understand ?

84. Yes that may have increased Holohan says.

Do you think they just go in for 24 hours and are released back somewhere else. There are currently 84 in ICU BEDS. There were 88 at the weekend.

The totals for ICU are the numbers in ICU at anyone time as a result of Covid19. These are the serious cases, Brian.

Heighway61 wrote: »

This lack of testing really has become a serious problem.

My wife is a health care worker and was called by her manager to say that one of her clients has tested positive. He told her there was no need for her to get tested as she isn't showing symptoms. A number of home help workers also had contact with this client. They all are to continue working as normal. Work, I might add, she has been carrying out without PPE, including hand sanitiser. She finished the 100ml bottle they gave her last week.

So, my wife who:

has had contact with a confirmed case
is a health care worker
has a spouse (me) at home with cancer

is not eligible for testing?

She called the number for HSE staff who said the same, no symptoms - no test. They gave her a local staff number. They said the same but to contact her GP. Eh, right.

She still has to self isolate. Including from you. Test isn't required for that.

BanditLuke wrote: »

Seems unlikely alright but it keeps coming up in various articles.

It looks impossible when you look at the family tree of the genome sequences, and the dates at which they were all sampled.

The earliest sequences appear in Wuhan, and all the sequences from around the world radiate out from that origin in all directions.

The earliest sequences from Europe from mid-late Jan are all linked to Wuhan via known travel, and the later European ones all look to be descended from those early sequences because they feature the same mutations as the early ones, plus some extra.

The same pattern is seen in the USA.

'But my auntie had an awful dose at Christmas ...'

Heighway61 wrote: »

This lack of testing really has become a serious problem.

My wife is a health care worker and was called by her manager to say that one of her clients has tested positive. He told her there was no need for her to get tested as she isn't showing symptoms. A number of home help workers also had contact with this client. They all are to continue working as normal. Work, I might add, she has been carrying out without PPE, including hand sanitiser. She finished the 100ml bottle they gave her last week.

So, my wife who:

has had contact with a confirmed case
is a health care worker
has a spouse (me) at home with cancer

is not eligible for testing?

She called the number for HSE staff who said the same, no symptoms - no test. They gave her a local staff number. They said the same but to contact her GP. Eh, right.

I’m very sorry to hear that.

I’ve been saying this from the start. At the start, my friend came back from Italy and has asthma and wasn’t able to get a test. I wonder how people even get tests in any circumstance cause it seems nobody can reach the criteria unless they barge into an A&E unable to breathe.

Wolf359f wrote: »

Officials has said it can be transmitted via breath, but you would have to be literally face to face. It's a choir, I assume they were singing off the top of their lungs, which I imagine would have aerosoled it. They were also in contact for over 2 hours

What is it you don't get? Possibly just one asymptomatic person infected 45 others through aerosol transmission over a distance of several metres.

Do you think that breathing vs singing is a magic binary switch: no virus/virus?

If you believe that, you should go work for the WHO.

We should now assume that an asymptomatic infected person can transmit the virus through aerosols just by exhaling. Of course singing increased the rate and extent of virus output and spread, that is why so many people were infected and the spread was so dramatic we have been alerted to it, but it also means that an infected person just breathing normally in a room with 59 others may well infect one or more people near them, particularly if they are talking to them.

This really helps to explain the infectiousness and spread, even weeks after people worldwide were advised to wash their hands frequently and that it was the best preventative measure, when actually a mask probably would have been better.

I think folks got taken in and hooked on this 30 percent figure from Leo...worst case scenario...

15 precent compared to 30 percent is encouraging, but on its own, 15 percent is far from encouraging...and 15 percent when the vast majority of people are being prudent, well? I think discouraging is the more apt word.