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CoVid19 Part XII - 4,604 in ROI (137 deaths) 998 in NI (56 deaths)(04/04) **Read OP**

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  • #1652
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,774 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK




    A very passionate French nurse.
    The lack of early action in France made it a lot worse there. It sounds desperate there.


  • #1653
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Exactly, people here are complete NPCs that just spew out what the government tells them. If they would live through what happened say in East Germany or any of the former communist states they would understand.


    Suicide rates will go through the roof, also alcoholism. More people will die this year from the above than the virus.


    I would tell people to make their own masks and continue working if they want to.


    The stup1d politicians always want to show they are doing something and by getting involved they just make things worse. They have caused a 1929 level market crash with their incompetence. Any of you wanting a 'lockdown' can now enjoy your economic depression for next 4 years.


    The people who will die of the disease have already heavy pre-exisiting conditions and would have died anyway within maybe 5 years.

    Easy there, Dominic.


  • #1654
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,009 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    cnocbui wrote: »
    60 people turned up to a choir practice in Mt Vernon, Washington for choir practice. 45 have now tested positive for the virus, at least 3 are in IC and two are dead.

    No one was coughing or sneezing, which the WHO have been saying would be necessary to create the large droplets they think are needed for transmission.

    This incident means the WHO are wrong and that asymptomatic infected people can infect others simply by exhaling fine aerosols, meaning it's essentially airborne transmissible.

    Moral of the story, ignore the WHO, they aren't on the ball.

    https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-29/coronavirus-choir-outbreak

    45/60 get the virus. 650/3000 get the virus on the Diamond Princess. Yes in both examples people will have been in close contact, but I suspect the true number of Covid 19 cases is a hell of a lot higher than 750,000. I wouldn't be that surprised if it was 100 times higher to be honest.


  • #1655
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    What's happening with blood donations during this?


  • #1656
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,201 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1244717189665566721

    I know this is going around but I think such speculation has no merit because it would have been detected and the fatality rates would have been noticed.


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  • #1657
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    STB. wrote: »
    The data is useless without test numbers.


    It is also incorrect as it hasn't captured ICU numbers correctly. They tripled between two HSE reports 20th and 24th. Hospital admission were +61% and ICU 176%.

    Thanks but absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. But it gave a chance for another negative post, so you're welcome.


  • #1658
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    But then why not go and bet against the market and make yourself a fortune from it?

    It's like those saying they knew the crash was coming in 2008/2009 - it's easy to say a recession is coming, but to know when it's coming and how bad it's going to get is different.

    All you posters are the same and I put it to someone two days ago - to name the 5 things you would do going forward and they refused to do it - because it they name them, and they are wrong - people will use it against them.

    So I say to you Frank - 5 distinct things that should happen now going forward to help improve the situation.

    Surely quarantine anyone coming into.the state for 14 days

    Send help to.the north,they've signed up to tackle it on all-ireland basis....it could end up horrendous up there and their our citizens too

    Dont allow anyone into enclosed spaces without wearing face-masks and provide training on how to wear em


    Distribute said masks and gloves to public/make shops provide them

    Get likes of jfc to manufacture idemtical head pieces that italy refused to be allowed export during the week



    Drop.VAT on hand sanitser,if it hasnt already been done



    All fairly simple things to do


  • #1659
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    What's happening with blood donations during this?

    They said this morning that they are continuing and a valid reason for travel.


  • #1660
    STB.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    RobertKK wrote: »


    A very passionate French nurse.
    The lack of early action in France made it a lot worse there. It sounds desperate there.


    It'll be desperate here when we pass our ICU capacity, which will happen and fairly soon.


  • #1661
    Alun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,549 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    What's happening with blood donations during this?
    They're still going on.


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  • #1662
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    RobertKK wrote: »


    A very passionate French nurse.
    The lack of early action in France made it a lot worse there. It sounds desperate there.

    A lot of posters here on boards was saying this. Early action of stopping incoming flights from Italy - the known hotspot at the time would have helped us more. Or proper quarantine for arrivals into the country.


  • #1663
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1244717189665566721

    I know this is going around but I think such speculation has no merit because it would have been detected and the fatality rates would have been noticed.

    There is noted outbreaks of pneumonia across europe before xmas

    Only an.antibody test can tell for sure though?


  • #1664
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    amadangomor wrote: »
    Moan, moan fkn moan that's what we hear from your posts

    His early performance will lead to an untold number of deaths.

    So yeah I'll have an odd moan, especially when he's having smoke blown up his arse by you lot.


  • #1665
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course there's chancers applying for the out of work payment who've never worked. It's so brazenly funny :pac:


  • #1666
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gabeeg wrote: »
    There was major outbreaks in Asia at the time.
    Italy had over 3,000 known cases when he said that. Spain had over 200. Germany 59 etc etc

    It wasn't a matter of hindsight. All that was required was regular sight.

    They had that come-to-jesus moment where someone scared the crap out of them. Prior to that they were objectively terrible.

    Holohan, given his position, should have been far more knowledgeable and wary of the virus. Instead he was telling us it was grand and there was no threat to Paddy's day.

    Whitewash all this if it makes you feel more secure
    I guess you know better than the NPHET. I've found the whole process of the evolution of the public message quite fascinating, how they stepped it up, prepared us for the different stages reassured the public in a very measured fashion. I've learnt a lot from it especially that timing is everything, that the management of it is very complex and that we need to get behind the measures. It also involves complying with the present approach. which does seem to be working.

    When the report is written on this it will not reference what the CMO said on an early day in March.


  • #1667
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,064 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    owlbethere wrote: »
    This is very worrying.

    Surely scientists are studying this. Is there anything coming up from scientific studies on this virus about the transmission?

    There isn't time for 'scientific studies' authorities have to assume worse case scenario as a default and wing it.


  • #1668
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,678 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    jackboy wrote: »
    It wasn’t. It was at a crossroads and they were pointing it a line of cars doing about 30 kph. Lots of people going home after work.

    Still sounds like a speed check?


  • #1669
    darjeeling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭darjeeling


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1244717189665566721

    I know this is going around but I think such speculation has no merit because it would have been detected and the fatality rates would have been noticed.

    Yes, the HSE stats show that the number treated in hospital was intermediate between the nos for the previous 2 years, and the no. treated in ICU was the lowest of the last three years.

    The flu season did come unusually early and, though it wasn't actually that bad, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the red-tops called it a tsunami nonetheless.


  • #1670
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1244663496681435137?s=21


  • #1671
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Of course there's chancers applying for the out of work payment who've never worked. It's so brazenly funny :pac:

    But the revenue can check pretty quickly whether they've made sufficient prsi contributions and if not reject them straight away.


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  • #1672
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    twirlagig wrote: »
    I noticed that this evening. They’re everywhere... why would you dump them in the middle of a street? I live in a small town, only about 2 shops open in the whole length of the town and there’s a bin every 20metres or so...




    They dump them there because they are self entitled,greedy,ignorant fcukers who expect someone else to come along and clean up after them.
    Ignoramuses


  • #1673
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gabeeg wrote: »
    I posted here right through it. You can go read my posts and see that I strongly disagreed with him at the time.

    And I was right and Mr Holohan was wrong.
    And that by the looks of things is all that matters!


  • #1674
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    bekker wrote: »
    Tony Honohan was asked directly for % of doctors infected in Irish health care system, he said he didn't have any figures on that and then segued into a rambling discourse on how health workers could have acquired infection.

    I've watched his performances in front of committees over the years and it's a favourite tactic of his when he eiher doesn't have an answer that he could reasonably be expected to have, or he seeks to avoid the logical follow-on.

    He is incapable of making a point in less than 400 words.


  • #1675
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Still sounds like a speed check?

    Of course it’s possible it was a staggeringly incompetent guard or just one acting the bollix.


  • #1676
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1244717189665566721

    I know this is going around but I think such speculation has no merit because it would have been detected and the fatality rates would have been noticed.

    Seems unlikely alright but it keeps coming up in various articles.


  • #1677
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    1641 wrote: »
    The journalist referred to a figure of something like 20 -25% of doctors in the NHS being out with the infection. Holohan said he didn't have the figure for Irish doctors but that it is nowhere like this. He had already given the figure for health workers, so obviously doctors are included in this. I don't see it as being a figure he could reasonably be expected to have had to hand - or see a reason to be evasive about it if he had it.
    As regards health workers acquiring the infection, we already know that some picked it up on holiday and returned to work with it (unknowingly). It is perfectly plausible that health workers have picked it up in this way directly, or from other health workers who had it - or, indeed, community transmission like anyone else. Also health workers are more likely to get tested than the general public so they would show up disproportionately in the numbers anyway.


    This is not to detract in any way from the need for health workers to get PPE.


    As regards nursing homes, as they heavily restricted visiting from an early stage (I think against public health advise - I'm not sure?) where do you think the source of nursing home infections lay? We have not been told - It is my surmise that a significant amount was from health workers. Again this is in no way to suggest any blame or to lessen their need for PPE.
    Reasonable points, I may be overly sensitive to Tony Holohan responses to questions, possibly a rough estimate is all his position demands, but it is reasonable to expect him to refer to HSE, if it's the figures are available.


  • #1678
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I guess you know better than the NPHET. I've found the whole process of the evolution of the public message quite fascinating, how they stepped it up, prepared us for the different stages reassured the public in a very measured fashion. I've learnt a lot from it especially that timing is everything, that the management of it is very complex and that we need to get behind the measures. It also involves complying with the present approach. which does seem to be working.

    When the report is written on this it will not reference what the CMO said on an early day in March.

    They shuld have been better prepared if it was followed seriously since January. e could have had testing at a much greater quantity early, PPE also to protect healthcare workers and flights banned much earlier. None of that was done depsite the clear evidence of what was likely to happen


  • #1679
    GM228
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    STB. wrote: »
    The data is incorrect.

    E.G. ICU Cases shot up 176% between 20th and 24th March.

    Hospital admission went up 61% in the same timeframe.

    How is it incorrect? It's correct based on the data published for each date.


  • #1680
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Is there only one positive case so far that was at Cheltenham? County Limerick, I believe.

    One positive known case. In reality there are far more than that.


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  • #1681
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Is the % increase for today correct?

    Typo, it's 11.28% for today's increase.


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