CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

MipMap wrote: »

I have got all this years ago. Furthermore I konw how to wash my hands for 20 seconds without singing "Happy Birthday like Boris Does"


The big issue is the lack of supply. I have 100 masks and I would willingly give them to doctors and nurses on the front line if there was a mechanism to do this.



I would go without food to help them. Just don't lie to me though!

Contact the facility manager of the nearest hospital. They are the people in charge of distributing donations of PPE. They would be extremely grateful for your donation.

loughside wrote: »

Shouldn`t really buy stuff off AliExpress

One batch of faulty goods from one factory and we should stop buying stuff from China?
Should we get that Aer Lingus plane to return home empty?

People need to start applying common sense.

eagle eye wrote: »

Probably afraid people will get out of clustered areas and infect other areas. It's not likely to happen but there are a lot of incredibly stupid people in senior management positions in the public service in this country. Best way to the top in the public service is to kiss behinds or use political contacts, it's not very often that the person who should get promoted does.

You need to have a good long hard look at yourself tbh. Absolutely pathetic.

I don't think it is safe to generalise from the effectiveness and value of masks in a health care setting onto their value and effectiveness in general use by the average Joe in the community. Health care staff are trained in their use. Their efficacy depends not only on skill but on behavioural change. For one, it is recommended that we don't touch the mask or our face. But there are studies that suggest that on average we touch our faces about 20 times an hour - this being habitual and unconscious.

I suspect that for a layperson like myself it is likely that this touching behaviour would increase with a mask - it being so uncomfortable. But even it it didn't, the mask is only likely to give a false sense of security.
Risk compensation is a recognised phenomenon. When we feel endangered we are more likely to engage in safety behaviour - like most people are complying now with pretty draconian distancing instructions. If we feel there is less of a danger (of either catching or spreading the infection) we are likely to be less guarded. So if we feel more protected by a mask we are likely to compensate in other areas, eg, going out a bit more - thus actually increasing risk. An extreme example would be Titantic behaviour - it was considered "unsinkable" so it paid less attention than it should to reports of large icebergs. Because face masks are so visible and obvious they are more likely to induce such flase sense of safety.
"Invisible" or quickly forgotten safety features are less likely to create such false compensation, eg, a smoke detector in the house does not tend to promote more riskly behaviour regarding fire because we forget about it being there. Similarly with side airbags in a car. On the other hand, the sense of safety in a a big SUV may result in more risky driving. Other examples, the introduction of some safety equipment in American football was followed by some more ferocious tackles - not because of maliciousness but because in a misplaced belief in safety. In turn more severe penalties had to introduced to counteract such tackling.

Also, masks are meant to be disposed of safely after each use. Most people will have few masks and will be tempted to re-use them. Or just take it off when arriving home and put it down on a surface - bringing any contamination into the house. Or they will partially or fully remove it when out and then put it back on again. Etc, Etc. We can each say that we are so smart that we wouldn't do any of these things but in reality most of us would - they being largely unconscious behaviours. Given that the advantages (it any) of masks are likely to be limited at population level it seems right that the concentration of advice is on the hand-washing, social distancing, isolation, etc.

Anita Blow wrote: »

We have 11,000 beds total. Of these, 2100 are empty in anticipation of this surge.

We have ~250 ICU beds in public hospitals, a portion of these are occupied by COVID/non-COVID patients leaving 167. That however is just talking about our public hospitals. In addition to those 250 we have another 250 in the private system.

Is there is any sharing of experience, lessons learned or effective treatments so far, between frontline medical professionals around the world?

caveat emptor wrote: »

WW2 lasted 6 years more or less. Expand your time horizon. Face reality embrace it my fellow citizens. Why do I have a Conor mcgregor accent when I type?

I think using world war analogies are wrong, people kept working and didnt retreat to their houses at these times.

BanditLuke wrote: »

Yeah because the HSE never flip flop


http://www.redfm.ie/news/coronavirus/department-of-health-blanket-ban-on-visitors-to-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-amid-coronavirus-unnecessary/

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/coronavirus-ten-more-deaths-in-ireland-as-six-clusters-in-nursing-homes-990410.html

It's not flip flopping - it's a fast changing situation that requires different responses at different times.

That should be clear if you read the articles you link to:

Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan says it's too soon to restrict visiting

niallo27 wrote: »

I think using world war analogies are wrong, people kept working and didnt retreat to their houses at these times.

Very true life continued on regardless

coastwatch wrote: »

Is there is any sharing of experience, lessons learned or effective treatments so far, between frontline medical professionals around the world?

Yes definitely, both formally and informally!

All the major international societies have published guidelines on how best to manage COVID within their own specialities. Ireland has also trained fellows from Spain/Italy etc who had returned to their own countries and now are in contact with their old teams here to give their own personal experiences on what is happening in their own hospitals.

Phoebas wrote: »

It's not flip flopping - it's a fast changing situation that requires different responses at different times.

That should be clear if you read the articles you link to:

Yeah that "too soon" comment he made was moronic. With such high risk people there was never a "too soon" to protect them.