CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

all about the mane wrote: »

There is no one on trolleys now

It's almost like the problem just needed a little nudge.
Now why didn't FFFG make that nudge..

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

1. People presenting at A&E with minor injuries that could be handled by small injury clinics, e.g. St. John's Hospital in Limerick instead of UHL.

2. Alcohol and drug related admissions. Saturday night fights.

3. Wards being used at old folks homes. Bed blocking.

As A&Es have been largely cleared by the corona virus, I have not heard reports of citizens dying by the thousand from regular ailments.

It's my understand that A&E still gets a significant number of patients. Just that they are able to call on resources usually used for routine procedures and deal with the patients quicker.

Last year my father had medical issues. He collapsed and there was no known reason. The doctors said he needed full time care until they got him a brain scan. It took 8bdays to get him a scan during which time he spent 5 days on a trolley and 3 on a ward.

If something similar happened today (OK maybe not today but Monday) he would be told that since the routine scans had been cancelled he would scanned immediately.

He would have been in and out within a few hours.

Blaming the Anericans

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078

megabomberman wrote: »

Good post Coyote, I just want to mention that since the majority of our cases have been detected in the past week our cases per death is artificially high, South Korea's slid from 100+ to where it is now as cases slowly resolved to recovery or death. We still have a ways to go, but to be confident that we are detecting most of our cases that 67 should be 100+ ala Germany.

We are obvious doing far better than the UK, France etc.

Hi megabomberman

a very good point, i try to get across in all my posts they are not 100% truth they are estimates, open to being incorrect.
i do feel they help people to try and put context to where we are and where we can go to.
100% agree i would like to see the number of test double and i think they are working towards that.

Coyote

amadangomor wrote: »

The unions block reform, no one has the balls to take on the unions as it would be political suicide.

This. The health brief needs to be protected from the election cycle. Only way someone is going to go after it.

BluePlanet wrote: »

Oh i do ask them.
But never does one get a straight answer, only waffle.
Which is why i'll never vote for one of the 2 parties of the status quo.

So your posts are a political agenda not a concern to correct the issues in our health service, drunks clogging A&Es, union intransigence, hospitals consultants earning more from private practice than their fulltime jobs.

Gynoid wrote: »

I heard someone, okay it was the venerable Noam Chomsky, this morning saying that if 100000 are going to die what we need to do is not have them all come at once to the ICU because that collapses the system, but have it spread out over longer time.
A few weeks ago I read about reseaech on social distancing in 1918 in US cities and while the different practices in different cities re distancing had a huge effect on peak deaths, overall the number of deaths in the long run was not AS highly impacted. If I get a chance will try to find link.

the virus will do what it will do. We are just trying to slow it. And trying to protect people with other issues that might not get the treatment they need otherwise.

Does anyone know of a spreadsheet that compares countries at the same point in time? So from first cases detected onwards?

I know this was being discussed 100 pages back about NCT tests still going on, They were suspended a couple hours later, but didn't see an update in thread

COVID–19 Update 28th March 2020 – The Minister of Transport, Tourism and Sport, Shane Ross and the RSA have confirmed that the National Car Testing Service (NCT) is suspended until further notice with immediate effect. This is in order to comply with the new public restrictions to tackle the spread of the Coronavirus.

https://www.ncts.ie


applies to The National Driver Licence Service (NDLS), the National Car Testing Service (NCT) and the Commercial Vehicle Testing System

Here is an interview from South Korea with Professor Kim Woo-joo from Korea University Guro Hospital. The interview is subtitled so you can follow the conversation. A lot of this information given in the interview my already be known to you.

This is a condensed summary of the interview:

Who is most at risk?

• Highest death rate is in the elderly.
• 0.1% for 30 and 40 year olds

Can you get the flu again?

• Usually people who get the flu, the bodies develop antibodies and they recover in 2 weeks and don't get sick again.
• For Covid, some people who have been discharged are getting the virus again.

How do you get infected?

3 ways to get infected:


1. Droplet Transfer: Directly being coughed or sneezed on by someone and being with their droplets.


2. Indirect Transfer: When patient coughs or sneezes and the droplets land on keyboards/tables/doorknobs. Virus can survive up to 3-4 days on surfaces like tables/door knobs, and 1 day for fabric/clothes. Temperature and humidity affect these.


3. Direct Transfer: When someone coughs/sneezes on hands and you shake their hands and subsequently touch your face/mouth/eyes etc...


Can you get it just by breathing?

• Yes, Aerosol Transmission possible in certain cases (i.e. Airborne transmissions)
  
• Airborne transmission likely in densely packed areas. But, in outdoor environments and not in closed spaces, not as likely through airborne transmission.

What are the symptoms of the virus?

• Loss in appetite, mild aches, fevers, sore throat, difficulty breathing.
  
• 30% of those who get the virus can't smell or taste anything

Can you get infected if it's on skin?

• You get infected by virus going through eyes/mouth/nose because there are mucous membranes in those areas.
  
• However, you can't get the virus from it just being on your skin. That's why it's important to wash your hands.

How effective is wearing a face mask?

• Very effective.
• In the west, not many people wear masks which is odd. The US Surgeon General and WHO recommend people not to wear masks, but he disagrees. Wearing mask is extremely effective.
• They probably said that so medical people can have more masks and normal people stop hoarding.
• If everyone wears masks, there will be less infections in general. WHO encourages normal people not to wear masks. But in Asia, because of cultural differences, they encourage people to wear masks.
• As a result, US/Europe spreading much faster than Asia did.

If it gets warmer, will the virus go away?

• Hard to predict, but won't go away quickly.

Several scenarios:

• 1st Scenario: Covid ends like SARS did when it got warmer. SARS started in Nov 2002 and ended July 2003. But, back then people travelled less and infection was much smaller (mostly Asia + Canada only).
  
• For Covid, IF the whole world cooperates, it can end by July/August 2020 and it won't infect people again. However, only 10% probability this may come true.
  
• 2nd scenario: Covid stays in the summer and it'll spread to southern hemisphere when it's their winter and it'll come back again in our winter. Just like regular flu cycle.
  
• 3rd scenario: We develop a vaccine and put a end to it once and for all. But this scenario is difficult to achieve.
  
• Inventing a new vaccine usually takes 10-15 years and costs US$800M. Covid is not even 100 days old. Doctors have only had 2 months to understand their DNA structure so far.
  
• At fastest, IF everything goes smoothly (big if), and it'll take 18 months if all goes well to develop vaccine.
  
• However, even if US / China develops a vaccine, would they share the vaccine? Also, it'll be impossible for US with 320 million population to vaccinate everyone. It becomes a choice of priority. Who gets the cure first?

What cures are being used now?

• Best thing we can do is "drug repurposing":
  
• Try to find a drug that's being used to treat another disease that can also be effective for Covid.
  Ex. A drug that is used for Malaria was found to be somewhat effective in treating Covid and used for critical patients right now.
  
• Another way:
  
• Take the blood of patients who recovered and use the antibodies in the blood to give to critical patients. So recovered people should donate their bloods if they can.

Any last comments?

• Currently, doctors have been working 2 months non-stop and are very worn out. Their bodies are tired as a result so they can catch the virus from patients more easily. They are more vulnerable than normal people.

Last advice to people in teens, 20s, 30s?

• You may be fine, but if you spread to an elderly family member, it could be fatal.
• Wear a mask. Socially distance. You need to protect yourself so you can protect your family.