CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:24AM

amadangomor wrote: »

Bad management plays a big part alright but the unions that represent the workers/consultants block reforms.

The whole system needs to be reset. One example would be 7 day operation of expensive equipment. No wonder there are waiting lists when we have such equipment sitting idle apart from Monday to Friday for 8 hours a day.

This is a huge problem. the unions are killing us.

Field east · 29-03-2020 08:27AM

paleoperson wrote: »

yep, you wear one out painting and noone bats an eyelid. You enter a packed supermarket wearing one during the most serious and deadly and contagious virus threat in the history of the republic of ireland and suddenly you're getting notions. Though I think in the past week or two people are finally starting to get it - very few wearing masks still though.

Apart from the mask providing a physical barrier to the virus entering or leaving your Mouth/nose it acts as a reminder not to touch your face with your hands - and more importantly it does not allow you to be able to do it anyway.
On that basis therefor and because Gov, etc, are constantly saying about not touching our face , it makes a lot of sense to wear one so that we will not touch our faces

Jimbob1977 · 29-03-2020 08:28AM

1. People presenting at A&E with minor injuries that could be handled by small injury clinics, e.g. St. John's Hospital in Limerick instead of UHL.

2. Alcohol and drug related admissions. Saturday night fights.

3. Wards being used at old folks homes. Bed blocking.

As A&Es have been largely cleared by the corona virus, I have not heard reports of citizens dying by the thousand from regular ailments.

megabomberman · 29-03-2020 08:30AM

Coyote wrote: »

Around testing numbers
if we look at a number of countries around the EU
picking a few places that had first recorded cases around the same time as Ireland

Netherlands Feb 26
Switzerland Feb 24
Austria Feb 24
Denmark Feb 26
Ireland Feb 28

now look at the number of deaths
Netherlands 639
Switzerland 264
Austria 68
Denmark 65
Ireland 36

cases detected per death
Netherlands 15.2
Switzerland 53.3
Austria 121
Denmark 33.8
Ireland 67

S.Korea is listed by many as the gold standard for testing and they only found 65.8 cases per death very close to Ireland

no country is finding all the cases
but you can see that Austria is finding a lot more that the others and Ireland is in 2 place in the EU for detecting cases per death for contrays that started at around the same time
a contrary that we know are not testing is the UK they have 15.7 cases detected per death.
France is other contray that has 2314 deaths but only 16.2 cases found for each death

Germany numbers are 133.3 cases found per death, but i do not know if they are just very good or not recording all deaths

how we deal with the growth and how we slow it are not the same as detecting the number of cases but we are testing better than most is seems
the number of test done by the 23 was 18K, at 1.5K a day since we should be around 25.5K tests done

Regards

Coyote

Good post Coyote, I just want to mention that since the majority of our cases have been detected in the past week our cases per death is artificially high, South Korea's slid from 100+ to where it is now as cases slowly resolved to recovery or death. We still have a ways to go, but to be confident that we are detecting most of our cases that 67 should be 100+ ala Germany.

We are obvious doing far better than the UK, France etc.

macnug · 29-03-2020 08:31AM

One positive from all this is the health service, for the moment has become super efficient. My daughter broker her leg yesterday and shes going into get in realigned this morning. A&E is empty and you are seen very quickly. Maybe we should stop blaming the HSE and have a look at ourselves, the HSE hasnt changed much but our inclination to run to A&E has. I think GP's have a major part to play in this as well.

BluePlanet · 29-03-2020 08:32AM

all about the mane wrote: »

There is no one on trolleys now

It's almost like the problem just needed a little nudge.
Now why didn't FFFG make that nudge..

caveat emptor · 29-03-2020 08:33AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If we looked at any other country and saw almost 2500 cases and 36 deaths, we’d be wondering what they were doing right.

Things are going very well so far but obviously we need to try bolt in the elders and avoid infecting nursing homes.

Let's answer that. How could that possibly be?

don't test everyone who has it
test them and then cancel test
say people were going to die anyway and nothing to do with virus

CIARAN_BOYLE · 29-03-2020 08:34AM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

1. People presenting at A&E with minor injuries that could be handled by small injury clinics, e.g. St. John's Hospital in Limerick instead of UHL.

2. Alcohol and drug related admissions. Saturday night fights.

3. Wards being used at old folks homes. Bed blocking.

As A&Es have been largely cleared by the corona virus, I have not heard reports of citizens dying by the thousand from regular ailments.

It's my understand that A&E still gets a significant number of patients. Just that they are able to call on resources usually used for routine procedures and deal with the patients quicker.

Last year my father had medical issues. He collapsed and there was no known reason. The doctors said he needed full time care until they got him a brain scan. It took 8bdays to get him a scan during which time he spent 5 days on a trolley and 3 on a ward.

If something similar happened today (OK maybe not today but Monday) he would be told that since the routine scans had been cancelled he would scanned immediately.

He would have been in and out within a few hours.

BluePlanet · 29-03-2020 08:35AM

paul71 wrote: »

I don't know, why don't you ask a politician. Still does change the fact that the health service is not underfunded.

Oh i do ask them.
But never does one get a straight answer, only waffle.
Which is why i'll never vote for one of the 2 parties of the status quo.

shocksy · 29-03-2020 08:35AM

Blaming the Anericans

https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078

Jimbob1977 · 29-03-2020 08:36AM

I have private health insurance. If I turn up at A&E, I pay a €100 fee which can't be claimed.

A medical card (handed out like snuff at a wake) pays zilch.

Coyote · 29-03-2020 08:37AM

megabomberman wrote: »

Good post Coyote, I just want to mention that since the majority of our cases have been detected in the past week our cases per death is artificially high, South Korea's slid from 100+ to where it is now as cases slowly resolved to recovery or death. We still have a ways to go, but to be confident that we are detecting most of our cases that 67 should be 100+ ala Germany.

We are obvious doing far better than the UK, France etc.

Hi megabomberman

a very good point, i try to get across in all my posts they are not 100% truth they are estimates, open to being incorrect.
i do feel they help people to try and put context to where we are and where we can go to.
100% agree i would like to see the number of test double and i think they are working towards that.

Coyote

snoopboggybog · 29-03-2020 08:37AM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I have private health insurance. If I turn up at A&E, I pay a €100 fee which can't be claimed.

A medical card (handed out like snuff at a wake) pays zilch.

Are you a narcissist by any chance?

caveat emptor · 29-03-2020 08:38AM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

12 operating rooms. Most hospitals in Ireland wouldn't have that.

Yeah but the size of that boat. 1000 beds? Italy and now apain have converter gymnasiums. Uk has converted a convention centre.

Name of the game is ICU. look at Germany, No Big fancy boats. Just a **** load of testing and capacity,

paul71 · 29-03-2020 08:38AM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

1. People presenting at A&E with minor injuries that could be handled by small injury clinics, e.g. St. John's Hospital in Limerick instead of UHL.

2. Alcohol and drug related admissions. Saturday night fights.

3. Wards being used at old folks homes. Bed blocking.

As A&Es have been largely cleared by the corona virus, I have not heard reports of citizens dying by the thousand from regular ailments.

And there is another part of the problem. Us. We use the health service when we don't need it.

Jayzee. · 29-03-2020 08:38AM

What happens with SK over the long-term?

I get that their slowing the spread with track and trace and distancing but what happens next?

Will they just end up as bad as Italy?

sternn · 29-03-2020 08:39AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Right.
Maybe you are right. But extending your reasoning means we would continue now to have much higher growth rates than those places because the base is ever higher.
Plus I do not think we had more imported cases in the beginning than Italy. Has the narrative not been that Italy had huge numbers of Chinese workers flying in and out?
Are you an expert or just an opinion haver like me? Just asking so I can know the weight to put on your opinion. It could be as light as the weight I accord to my own, which is basically that of a person who does not know.

I'm in now way an expert

I've got an opinion having immersed myself in content around this virus since the beginning. It's all to do with timings -> we had our first case later, we brought in different restrictions at different points of time, the virus was more prevalent in the world when we got our first case. Im just trying to get across the message that there's lots of factors at play than just to be worried that we are worse than Italy.

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:39AM

amadangomor wrote: »

The unions block reform, no one has the balls to take on the unions as it would be political suicide.

This. The health brief needs to be protected from the election cycle. Only way someone is going to go after it.

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:40AM

Field east wrote: »

Apart from the mask providing a physical barrier to the virus entering or leaving your Mouth/nose it acts as a reminder not to touch your face with your hands - and more importantly it does not allow you to be able to do it anyway.
On that basis therefor and because Gov, etc, are constantly saying about not touching our face , it makes a lot of sense to wear one so that we will not touch our faces

I wear a mask for work. You touch your face more, not less, if you are wearing one.

paul71 · 29-03-2020 08:42AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Oh i do ask them.
But never does one get a straight answer, only waffle.
Which is why i'll never vote for one of the 2 parties of the status quo.

So your posts are a political agenda not a concern to correct the issues in our health service, drunks clogging A&Es, union intransigence, hospitals consultants earning more from private practice than their fulltime jobs.

caveat emptor · 29-03-2020 08:42AM

statesaver wrote: »

Sure Simon said we couldn't.

'We can't ban travel': Health Minister rules out screening for Covid-19 at Irish airports

https://www.thejournal.ie/we-cant-ban-travel-health-minister-rules-out-screening-at-irish-airports-as-covid-19-spreads-5022235-Feb2020/

Best boys in the EU class are the Irish

Massive mistake here. Even Conor mcgregor get's it. How many times was he knocked out? Fair fvcks to him.

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1244153220202725379?s=20

Gynoid · 29-03-2020 08:43AM

Jayzee. wrote: »

What happens with SK over the long-term?

I get that their slowing the spread with track and trace and distancing but what happens next?

Will they just end up as bad as Italy?

I heard someone, okay it was the venerable Noam Chomsky, this morning saying that if 100000 are going to die what we need to do is not have them all come at once to the ICU because that collapses the system, but have it spread out over longer time.
A few weeks ago I read about reseaech on social distancing in 1918 in US cities and while the different practices in different cities re distancing had a huge effect on peak deaths, overall the number of deaths in the long run was not AS highly impacted. If I get a chance will try to find link.

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:45AM

BluePlanet wrote: »

Oh i do ask them.
But never does one get a straight answer, only waffle.
Which is why i'll never vote for one of the 2 parties of the status quo.

The answer has been a number of times in the last 3 pages

Gynoid · 29-03-2020 08:45AM

sternn wrote: »

I'm in now way an expert I've got an opinion having immersed myself in content around this virus since the beginning. It's all to do with timings -> we had our first case later, we brought in different restrictions at different points of time, the virus was more prevalent in the world when we got our first case. Im just trying to get across the message that there's lots of factors at play than just to be worried that we are worse than Italy.

Got it. Thanks

Guess only time will tell the full story.

Jayzee. · 29-03-2020 08:46AM

Gynoid wrote: »

I heard someone, okay it was the venerable Noam Chomsky, this morning saying that if 100000 are going to die what we need to do is not have them all come at once to the ICU because that collapses the system, but have it spread out over longer time.
A few weeks ago I read about reseaech on social distancing in 1918 in US cities and while the different practices in different cities re distancing had a huge effect on peak deaths, overall the number of deaths in the long run was not AS highly impacted. If I get a chance will try to find link.

I'm beginning to wonder if the UK and US got it right

Stretch the system initially

May work out better over the longer term

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:47AM

Gynoid wrote: »

I heard someone, okay it was the venerable Noam Chomsky, this morning saying that if 100000 are going to die what we need to do is not have them all come at once to the ICU because that collapses the system, but have it spread out over longer time.
A few weeks ago I read about reseaech on social distancing in 1918 in US cities and while the different practices in different cities re distancing had a huge effect on peak deaths, overall the number of deaths in the long run was not AS highly impacted. If I get a chance will try to find link.

the virus will do what it will do. We are just trying to slow it. And trying to protect people with other issues that might not get the treatment they need otherwise.

all about the mane · 29-03-2020 08:47AM

Jayzee. wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder if the UK and US got it right

Stretch the system initially

May work out better over the longer term

Think Sweden are working with a similar hypothesis

igCorcaigh · 29-03-2020 08:49AM

Jayzee. wrote: »

I'm beginning to wonder if the UK and US got it right

Stretch the system initially

May work out better over the longer term

I cannot see how. You were replying to a post that suggested the complete opposite?

caveat emptor · 29-03-2020 08:50AM

Woodsie1 wrote: »

While other EU countries were restricting the free movement of people in mainland europe,our bunch of morons deciding it was a good time to bow down and lick the feet of the EU when we are on an island with way easier ways of reducing the spread of the virus.
Fcuking fools.

Anybody coming here on a plane now needs their head examined. Stay fvcking home. The whole are Lingus picking up supplies looks great. Hate to put a dampener but it's effectively state aid. Airlines hurting big time, We got in trouble giving apple state aid so we can't just bail them out. (if they were USURES no probs though). I could be wrong. Sorry if I am.

Getting some cargo company to deliver probably way more efficient.

deisedevil · 29-03-2020 08:50AM

Does anyone know of a spreadsheet that compares countries at the same point in time? So from first cases detected onwards?

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03