CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

MipMap · 29-03-2020 02:54AM

Sam Quentin wrote: »

There is lots of recipes online for hand sanitizer spray online,pick one that suits, buying ingredients etc... Also you should be able to find basic masks in any diy hardware or even pound shop..
Good luck hope you find some.. tight cotton neck scarves seem pretty popular also.

I have COPD and I bought about a hundred of them 2 years ago. I use them for everything from strimming the grass to cleaning the oven or clearing out the fire.

Don't know whether they are N5 and don't care. When I wear one I don't smell anything. I don't think they protect me from Covid 19 but they cannot hurt so I wear one.

Sh1te like "It only protects other people from you" makes me despair whether humanity is actually more intelligent than this virus!!

Nevertheless, You cannot wear a mask in Irealnd without some d1ckhead telling you this.

paleoperson · 29-03-2020 02:54AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Raises two questions-

-Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
-Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???

Just no.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-03-2020 02:55AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Was that taken before or after the lockdown of citizens currently living in Ireland that was announced yesterday (excluding the 5k plus people arriving in the airports per day) ?

Dunno, it's after the lock down previous anyway.

FG 34%
SF 28%
FF 18%

ThePopehimself · 29-03-2020 02:56AM

givyjoe wrote: »

But but but, masks don't help...

https://twitter.com/patphelan/status/1244010733714788352?s=19

I am still the only one in my village I've seen wearing a mask -

Feel like a plonker but I'll take my chances - I can live with that.

I just say to myself that every single person of Asian descent in every single news bulletin across the entire world can't be wrong...

...And every single frontline doctor/nurse/medic/worker across the planet.

I bought mine back in January; back then, HomeCare Medical told me that most of their customers were people coming in to buy and send back home to China(couldn't blame them - I guess I'd have done the same) The respirators were also widely available in all of the Hardware stores; FFP2/ FFP3 masks.

They were gone by the end of Jan - in my area anyway.

Jeff2 · 29-03-2020 02:57AM

I would love a fish finger sandwich right now.

jill_valentine · 29-03-2020 02:58AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Its been posted here that half of the world supply of ventilators are made by Medtronic in Galway and they annoucned that they're increassing production by 50%. They never said that any of them are available to the HSE .

HSE has stated they've ordered about a thousand Ventilators, and expect to buy about a hundred more a week for the forseeable future.

It is more likely than not that some of those machines are Medtronic Puritan Bennett Ventilators, which cost between 35 and 45 thousand each.

wakka12 · 29-03-2020 02:59AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

I am still the only one in my village I've seen wearing a mask -

Feel like a plonker but I'll take my chances - I can live with that.

I just say to myself that every single person of Asian descent in every single news bulletin across the entire world can't be wrong...

...And every single frontline doctor/nurse/medic/worker across the planet.

I bought mine back in January; back then, HomeCare Medical told me that most of their customers were people coming in to buy and send back home to China(couldn't blame them - I guess I'd have done the same) The respirators were also widely available in all of the Hardware stores; FFP2/ FFP3 masks.

They were gone by the end of Jan - in my area anyway.

Well it's getting pretty common in Dublin . I went shopping today and wore a mask and saw at least 20 other people with masks on too while I was there. At least half of the staff in SuperValu had masks on too

paleoperson · 29-03-2020 02:59AM

MipMap wrote: »

I have COPD and I bought about a hundred of them 2 years ago. I use them for everything from strimming the grass to cleaning the oven or clearing out the fire.

Don't know whether they are N5 and don't care. When I wear one I don't smell anything. I don't think they protect me from Covid 19 but they cannot hurt so I wear one.

Sh1te like "It only protects other people from you" makes me despair whether humanity is actually more intelligent than this virus!!

Nevertheless, You cannot wear a mask in Irealnd without some d1ckhead telling you this.

yep, you wear one out painting and noone bats an eyelid. You enter a packed supermarket wearing one during the most serious and deadly and contagious virus threat in the history of the republic of ireland and suddenly you're getting notions. Though I think in the past week or two people are finally starting to get it - very few wearing masks still though.

MipMap · 29-03-2020 02:59AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

I am still the only one in my village I've seen wearing a mask -

Feel like a plonker but I'll take my chances - I can live with that.

I just say to myself that every single person of Asian descent in every single news bulletin across the entire world can't be wrong...

...And every single frontline doctor/nurse/medic/worker across the planet.

I bought mine back in January; back then, HomeCare Medical told me that most of their customers were people coming in to buy and send back home to China(couldn't blame them - I guess I'd have done the same) The respirators were also widely available in all of the Hardware stores; FFP2/ FFP3 masks.

They were gone by the end of Jan - in my area anyway.

A group of Chinese Doctors flew into Italy to help them with the Crisis and the first thing they said was "Why are you not Wearing Masks?"

Kermit.de.frog · 29-03-2020 02:59AM

https://twitter.com/akristofferson/status/1244056656431869953

Woodsie1 · 29-03-2020 02:59AM

john4321 wrote: »

Going by previous posts you seem to have a motive so ill leave it there.

Ah I see,youre the sort that sees enemies everywhere.
Best leave it there then and go back hiding under your duvet.

little bess · 29-03-2020 03:00AM

MipMap wrote: »

I have COPD and I bought about a hundred of them 2 years ago. I use them for everything from strimming the grass to cleaning the oven or clearing out the fire.

Don't know whether they are N5 and don't care. When I wear one I don't smell anything. I don't think they protect me from Covid 19 but they cannot hurt so I wear one.

Sh1te like "It only protects other people from you" makes me despair whether humanity is actually more intelligent than this virus!!

Nevertheless, You cannot wear a mask in Irealnd without some d1ckhead telling you this.

Absolutely. My husband has been wearing ffp3 respirators in work (construction) when in the vicinity of any colleagues for the last two weeks and has been laughed at and told ‘they don’t work for the virus!’

This is from people who have been trained to use them for protection and have had them readily available to use.

Can people not use their own brains and do some f****n research.

Woodsie1 · 29-03-2020 03:00AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

New phone tracking app coming

Quelle surprise!!!

MipMap · 29-03-2020 03:01AM

paleoperson wrote: »

yep, you wear one out painting and noone bats an eyelid. You get groceries in one during the most serious and deadly virus threat in the history of the republic of ireland and suddenly you're getting notions. Though I think in the past week or two people are finally starting to get it - very few wearing masks still though.

Are you even speaking English.
Don't have a clue nor care what you are saying!

quokula · 29-03-2020 03:01AM

MipMap wrote: »

Accepted but the complacency argument is a bit lame. "Don't wear a mask cos you might think it protects you cos it doesn't that much. Maybe you are so stupid you won't wash your hands"

Nonsense - Masks are in Short Supply

Read this:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext

There's more to it than that - wearing masks when not used to them has been shown to cause people to subconsciously fidget more, especially if they're not correctly fitted, and this can end up making them more likely to touch their face and infect themselves.

There's also the matter of not understanding that they are disposable and need to be replaced regularly or else they become counter productive, as mentioned in the article you quote. The article you quote also states pretty specifically at the beginning that there is no evidence that widespread use of face masks helps anything, before going on to state why they believe what they do despite the lack of any supporting evidence.

The main supporting case for the widespread usage in that article is to de-stigmatise it for people who have symptoms to wear them, as that is the only proven direct benefit. Which may be fair enough, but not if it's outweighed by the extra infections that come from people using them wrong. And this is all in a hypothetical world where there is an unlimited supply and there aren't other things to focus time and resources on.

beolight · 29-03-2020 03:01AM

MipMap wrote: »

Only a complete holocaust denier could still follow the idea that masks don't help.
Masks are in short supply and are needed by the front line staff.
This has always been the reason why we are told that they are not necessary.

1.4 Billion Chinese are not wrong.
Japan,Korea, Belgium, Spain, China look at the footage - Are they all idiots?

Did they not hear the advise of the HSE?

"We are not, at this moment, recommending the wearing of masks, as ther is no evidence to suggest that they materially affect the transmission of this virus"

"We are in critical need of PPE equipment for our front line staff, Masks, Gowns ,Gloves "

PLEASE Give me a break!!!

HSE advise is always couched in nuances you should always apply the Caveat Emptor principle and scrutinise the statement
the important words in this advice is
“.....We are not at this moment “
This allows them ample space to change their tune i.e when ample supply is available

There is a rudimentary outline of a plan but no real details so in reality the HSE/CMO/Dept of Health/ politicians in cohort with a largely non questionin/compliant media are all firefighting their way through this and always looking for cover from the WHO and EU disease control unit ( can’t remember the initials)

fritzelly · 29-03-2020 03:02AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Dunno, it's after the lock down previous anyway.

FG 34%
SF 28%
FF 18%

Wow FF

ThePopehimself · 29-03-2020 03:02AM

humberklog wrote: »

I was in SE Asia (mostly Vietnam) for most of Jan/Feb this year. On face masks- the government send you text messages (easily google translated) and while they insisted everyone dealing with the public wears them they warn to the general population/visitors that it's best to wear them but don't get complacent.
The worry is (to that government) is that face masks lead to complacency and that same message was relayed to me by many people I met. They stop the spread but only if vigilance to general/hand hygiene is adhered to.

Perfect.

That work's for me. Happy to wear my mask and adhere to the advice.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-03-2020 03:04AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

I would love a fish finger sandwich right now.

I miss the ability to go to the Burger King and McDonalds drive-thrus on the same trip and eat a mixture of both, that for me is freedom.

paleoperson · 29-03-2020 03:04AM

MipMap wrote: »

Are you even speaking English.
Don't have a clue nor care what you are saying!

What the hell are you talking about?

My post was perfectly clear, unlike your own.

spookwoman · 29-03-2020 03:07AM

ThePopehimself wrote: »

I am still the only one in my village I've seen wearing a mask -

Feel like a plonker but I'll take my chances - I can live with that.

I just say to myself that every single person of Asian descent in every single news bulletin across the entire world can't be wrong...

...And every single frontline doctor/nurse/medic/worker across the planet.

I bought mine back in January; back then, HomeCare Medical told me that most of their customers were people coming in to buy and send back home to China(couldn't blame them - I guess I'd have done the same) The respirators were also widely available in all of the Hardware stores; FFP2/ FFP3 masks.

They were gone by the end of Jan - in my area anyway.

Your should see the looks for wearing this, goggles and gloves

MipMap · 29-03-2020 03:07AM

quokula wrote: »

There's more to it than that - wearing masks when not used to them has been shown to cause people to subconsciously fidget more, especially if they're not correctly fitted, and this can end up making them more likely to touch their face and infect themselves.

There's also the matter of not understanding that they are disposable and need to be replaced regularly or else they become counter productive, as mentioned in the article you quote. The article you quote also states pretty specifically at the beginning that there is no evidence that widespread use of face masks helps anything, before going on to state why they believe what they do despite the lack of any supporting evidence.

The main supporting case for the widespread usage in that article is to de-stigmatise it for people who have symptoms to wear them, as that is the only proven direct benefit. Which may be fair enough, but not if it's outweighed by the extra infections that come from people using them wrong. And this is all in a hypothetical world where there is an unlimited supply and there aren't other things to focus time and resources on.

I have got all this years ago. Furthermore I konw how to wash my hands for 20 seconds without singing "Happy Birthday like Boris Does"

The big issue is the lack of supply. I have 100 masks and I would willingly give them to doctors and nurses on the front line if there was a mechanism to do this.

I would go without food to help them. Just don't lie to me though!

humberklog · 29-03-2020 03:09AM

MipMap wrote: »

Accepted but the complacency argument is a bit lame. "Don't wear a mask cos you might think it protects you cos it doesn't that much. Maybe you are so stupid you won't wash your hands"

Nonsense - Masks are in Short Supply

Read this:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30134-X/fulltext

Nah. The complacency argument the Viet Gov. make is about spreading it. Not catching it.

I didn't read your quoted link as you put no context to it.

ThePopehimself · 29-03-2020 03:09AM

MipMap wrote: »

I have COPD and I bought about a hundred of them 2 years ago. I use them for everything from strimming the grass to cleaning the oven or clearing out the fire.

Don't know whether they are N5 and don't care. When I wear one I don't smell anything. I don't think they protect me from Covid 19 but they cannot hurt so I wear one.

Sh1te like "It only protects other people from you" makes me despair whether humanity is actually more intelligent than this virus!!

Nevertheless, You cannot wear a mask in Irealnd without some d1ckhead telling you this.

You keep wearing your masks MipMap!

Just think of it this way, every single Medical Frontline worker in the country cant be wrong.

Everyone dealing with covid-19 on the frontline wears a mask. Everyone.

For whatever reason they are all wearing them and they are now getting them flown in from China, that's good enough for me!

Kermit.de.frog · 29-03-2020 03:11AM

beolight · 29-03-2020 03:11AM

quokula wrote: »

There's more to it than that - wearing masks when not used to them has been shown to cause people to subconsciously fidget more, especially if they're not correctly fitted, and this can end up making them more likely to touch their face and infect themselves.

There's also the matter of not understanding that they are disposable and need to be replaced regularly or else they become counter productive, as mentioned in the article you quote. The article you quote also states pretty specifically at the beginning that there is no evidence that widespread use of face masks helps anything, before going on to state why they believe what they do despite the lack of any supporting evidence.

The main supporting case for the widespread usage in that article is to de-stigmatise it for people who have symptoms to wear them, as that is the only proven direct benefit. Which may be fair enough, but not if it's outweighed by the extra infections that come from people using them wrong. And this is all in a hypothetical world where there is an unlimited supply and there aren't other things to focus time and resources on.

Fidgeting with the mask and touching your face is a habit

Habits can be broken when your awareness of it is heightened

That argument is a fudge

Not wearing the mask properly can be addressed by simple advertising campaign. Trendy hipsters and their beards may not like being told to shave it off though so a clear fashion versus health dilemma will be the next

Just read a post from someone returning from Vietnam where wearing mask is recommend but followed up with regular hand washing message and highlighting the need for constant vigilance and urging people not to become complacent .... this is the message that needs to accompany face mask use

cameramonkey · 29-03-2020 03:11AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Your should see the looks for wearing this, goggles and gloves

and clothes I hope.

MipMap · 29-03-2020 03:12AM

humberklog wrote: »

Nah. The complacency argument the Viet Gov. make is about spreading it. Not catching it.

I didn't read your quoted link as you put no context to it.

Read it again -

"Universal use of face masks could be considered if supplies permit."

ThePopehimself · 29-03-2020 03:13AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

I would love a fish finger sandwich right now.

aw jeez yeah, or a sausage sambo. £eck ya for that!

Sam Quentin · 29-03-2020 03:13AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Raises two questions-

-Did the HSE change the criteria for getting tested to avoid the 15,000 figure being met, possibly in order to avoid widespread panic?
-Has the 15,000 figure been met but we just dont know about it?

Theres a good chance we are at 15,000 now but if most wont die from it then it might make some sense for them to have manipulated the figures by reducing testing???

No the 15000 figure was put out to make sure people listened and panicked(if that's the word you focus on)and the reason we are not at 15000 and doing so well is because we are a good nation of people,and we get slightly scared and we listen when scary 'panicy' forcasts are broadcast by our leader.... Keep the Social Distancing and stay safe everybody.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03