CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

billybonkers · 27-03-2020 05:41PM

919 deaths in Italy in last 24 hours

zweton · 27-03-2020 05:42PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

GOOD

they don't have to fire them - put them into "furlough" , and possibly not pay them - but at least they'll have a job when this is over.

are people guaranteed to be taken back after a furlough period? I was put into a "furlough" period of 3 mths today. Can they just decide to not take you back after also ?

otnomart · 27-03-2020 05:42PM

bekker wrote: »

Hit because of the choices made in the face of austerity.

Sure: most Countries, in the face of austerity, chose to cut Healthcare, Welfare and other public services like Education.

And one could argue that austerity itself was a choice (IMHO the wrong choice) in the face of the 2008 economic crisis.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:42PM

Xertz wrote: »

At this stage, I think the government needs to make a firm call on festivals to be cancelled perhaps out as far as September.

There are a lot of community organisations, promoters, commercial bodies and others holding off on pulling the plug as they’re not able to make a decision and also if they’re progressed and planned things be come more and more difficult to cancel.

There are events ranging from summer festivals, arts festivals, agricultural stuff, pride, etc etc all still pending.

I would really like to see a government advisory just asking organisers to postpone until autumn or hold off until 2021.

If things unexpectedly improve between now and September, and we can mingle again, then it would be better to have smaller scale events anyway and less of an expectation.

The key thing though is the government needs to give clear guidance and actually just ask people not to organise big events until autumn as this thing won’t be under control until at best late 2020.

Just not going to happen the Government have a responsibility to mange the economy as well , So they have absolutely no need to call things off in August when its still March

fits · 27-03-2020 05:43PM

I was really hoping things would begin to turn in Italy by now. It’s a nightmare there.

Stheno · 27-03-2020 05:43PM

IQO wrote: »

https://twitter.com/marklowen/status/1243578159481700352

Horrifying numbers

wow :eek:

bilston · 27-03-2020 05:43PM

billybonkers wrote: »

919 deaths in Italy in last 24 hours

Desperate

SleetAndSnow · 27-03-2020 05:44PM

Horrifying numbers in Italy, they really need a break at this stage.

This is it · 27-03-2020 05:44PM

catrat12 wrote: »

I dont post in this thread often but I do in others anyway I had to go to chemist for my normal prescription which I need.
On my short 5 minute car journey I observed the following a park that was busy enough a lot of walkers and runners and cyclists never normally that anyway this is were I cannot believe what a saw I was third in q to get into chemist the q was outside as not letting anyone in, the man in his 70s I’d say was top of the q and was asking the shop assistant who was wearing a mask and gloves do they have any thermometers as he said he had a bit of a high temperature and was wondering could they check it, she basically told him to get home and follow instructions on tv ads or online , then he preceded to shop next door, I’m scared now he had it and gave to me as I already suffer with anxiety plus I can’t believe people are still so stupid

That's a tough read...

Anyway, keep hands away from face, wash hands, arms and face, hope for the best. Were you close to him?

breadmonster · 27-03-2020 05:44PM

https://www.prismahealth.org/vesper/

This seems interesting 1 ventilator can be shared with 4 people

owlbethere · 27-03-2020 05:44PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Everything depends on how many health care workers get it, If its a large amount we are screwed,

Also at the moment id like to think the vast majority of people 65 or over are having little to no contact with anyone else, My own parents haven't just getting there shopping left in the porch, Ud be hoping in two weeks times there will not be many elderly getting newly infected at all ,( obviously some are already and don't know yet )

We had a housing crisis for a long time. Houses were too much and out of affordability for so many. Some adults lived at home because there was also rental problems. Rentals were few and far between and too much. The average where I was, 1400 a month.

Then over the past few weeks, colleges finished. There was something on rte last night about working from home. A woman had all 5 of her adult children move back home in recent weeks.

This idea of cocooning the elders is nonsense unless if you make a load of people homeless.

I'm following all the guidelines by the way and limiting going out outside of work but chances are I could probably pick it up and bring it home.

trellheim · 27-03-2020 05:44PM

Anyone have hard numbers on how long for test results ? I keep seeing magic tweets about "new tests" that report in 15 mins or so.

Xertz · 27-03-2020 05:45PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just not going to happen the Government have a responsibility to mange the economy as well , So they have absolutely no need to call things off in August when its still March

Soothsayers aren’t really required to see that this isn’t going to be any different in a few months time without serious medical break through and that’s going to take time.

The economy is basically going to have to be restarted with massive fiscal stimulus when this is over. My concern is more about public safety.

BattleCorp · 27-03-2020 05:45PM

billybonkers wrote: »

919 deaths in Italy in last 24 hours

That's a death from COVID-19 every 90 seconds.

bilston · 27-03-2020 05:45PM

fits wrote: »

I was really hoping things would begin to turn in Italy by now. It’s a nightmare there.

Sadly the number of deaths will keep rising as there is an obvious lag between new cases being identified and people dying. Cases should be beginning to drop now, but deaths will keep going for a couple of weeks yet.

We need to see today's new case numbers.

kowloon · 27-03-2020 05:46PM

dodzy wrote: »

My wife had sepsis on arrival at A&E not too long ago. I sincerely hope you are never in the situation as on your current form, you would be complicit in their death. It's rapidity is frightening.

I had it a few years back and it went from going to lectures to needing a lie down to my housemates ringing an ambulance in less than a day.

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:46PM

Xertz wrote: »

At this stage, I think the government needs to make a firm call on festivals to be cancelled perhaps out as far as September.

There are a lot of community organisations, promoters, commercial bodies and others holding off on pulling the plug as they’re not able to make a decision and also if they’re progressed and planned things be come more and more difficult to cancel.

There are events ranging from summer festivals, arts festivals, agricultural stuff, pride, etc etc all still pending.

I would really like to see a government advisory just asking organisers to postpone until autumn or hold off until 2021.

If things unexpectedly improve between now and September, and we can mingle again, then it would be better to have smaller scale events anyway and less of an expectation.

The key thing though is the government needs to give clear guidance and actually just ask people not to organise big events until autumn as this thing won’t be under control until at best late 2020.

I would much rather see a clear window and smaller scale stuff happening as things hopefully improve than suddenly everyone jumping into summer festival mode. It could cause a huge rebound.

I think they have time and can easily go to the next date of April 19th. Doing it too soon is bad for people's mental well-being and there are activities currently planned to start up again in June.

gormdubhgorm · 27-03-2020 05:46PM

harr wrote: »

One thing I have noticed the last few days is people are starting to become very irritable a few times this week I have seen people giving grief to shop assistants when asked to adhere to social distancing procedures the shop had implemented. In one instance one elderly enough man nearly lost the plot completely. The poor girls trying to do a hard enough job as it was without muppets giving her hassle:
Also seen It in tesco newbridge this morning when a woman was as asked to wait behind the line.

People will get used to it and it will become second nature after a while, I assume. There are always going to be eejits though.

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:47PM

Xertz wrote: »

Soothsayers aren’t really required to see that this isn’t going to be any different in a few months time without serious medical break through and that’s going to take time.

The economy is basically going to have to be restarted with massive fiscal stimulus when this is over. My concern is more about public safety.

Public will be as safe if its cancelled in 2 months time as they would if its cancelled today ?

MrMusician18 · 27-03-2020 05:47PM

breadmonster wrote: »

https://www.prismahealth.org/vesper/

This seems interesting 1 ventilator can be shared with 4 people

One Canadian doctor managed to get 9 patients on the one ventilator.

Lung capacity and condition needs to be similar for it to work and when someone changes they need to be moved.

What Username Guidelines · 27-03-2020 05:47PM

bilston wrote: »

Sadly the number of deaths will keep rising as there is an obvious lag between new cases being identified and people dying. Cases should be beginning to drop now, but deaths will keep going for a couple of weeks yet.

We need to see today's new case numbers.

+5,909 - only a small drop on yesterday.

catrat12 · 27-03-2020 05:48PM

This is it wrote: »

That's a tough read...

Anyway, keep hands away from face, wash hands, arms and face, hope for the best. Were you close to him?

Bout 5 meters away and was wearing mask and gloves if help it just annoys me maybe he did have it maybe he was scared and lonely I don’t know but just the fact it was like he was asleep for the last month and then just walked around shop

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:48PM

France has extended its coronavirus lockdown by two weeks until 15 April, Edouard Philippe said in a speech.

gormdubhgorm · 27-03-2020 05:49PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Horrifying numbers in Italy, they really need a break at this stage.

I'm not being smart, but did the Italian culture of greeting males and females with a hug and a kiss go against it? We are way more stand off-ish here for example.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:50PM

Boulevardier wrote: »

Some basic predictions re timeframe for Ireland:

The 2nd and 3rd weeks of April will be the worst for us here.

The present shutdowns will be extended to the end of May.

There will be a partial relaxation of shutdowns at the beginning of June.

If that works out, almost everything (except some travel) will be back later in June.

I'm sure other people have much worse predictions than mine, but those are still my best guesses.

I like your predictions, but unfortunately Italy, Spain and the UK seemed to suggest otherwise. Its now endemic in those countries. That means it will be around for several months and contact tracing is now impossible for new cases.

When you are overwhelmed by contact tracing, the game is all but up. The Chinese, Hong Kong and Singapore were able to stay on top of contact tracing. European countries weren't.

That's a key difference.

If we can keep new cases under 500 a day we have a hope. If we can't then contact tracing becomes impossible. You simply cannot trace people quick enough.

kowloon · 27-03-2020 05:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I think they have time and can easily go to the next date of April 19th. Doing it too soon is bad for people's mental well-being and there are activities currently planned to start up again in June.

Yeah, any extensions to restrictions need to be done on a rolling basis.

Frank Bullitt · 27-03-2020 05:50PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1243579843746369538

Sweet Jesus, god love Italy.

27-03-2020 05:50PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I'm not being smart, but did the Italian culture of greeting males and females with a hug and a kiss go against it? We are way more stand off-ish here for example.

France also

Shelly66 · 27-03-2020 05:51PM

catrat12 wrote: »

I dont post in this thread often but I do in others anyway I had to go to chemist for my normal prescription which I need.
On my short 5 minute car journey I observed the following a park that was busy enough a lot of walkers and runners and cyclists never normally that anyway this is were I cannot believe what a saw I was third in q to get into chemist the q was outside as not letting anyone in, the man in his 70s I’d say was top of the q and was asking the shop assistant who was wearing a mask and gloves do they have any thermometers as he said he had a bit of a high temperature and was wondering could they check it, she basically told him to get home and follow instructions on tv ads or online , then he preceded to shop next door, I’m scared now he had it and gave to me as I already suffer with anxiety plus I can’t believe people are still so stupid

If he was at top of queue and you where further back you can’t get it, not unless he has it and coughed on you or sneezed in your direction. Would have been nice if someone to explain to him what to do in a nice manner he is elderly and some don’t understand unfortunately
. Could you not have told him to contact his doctor

Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 05:51PM

A 101 year old man has left hospital in Italy after surviving Coronavirus

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/27/europe/101-year-old-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Always important to mention the positive. Italy's rate of new infections is also gradually declining.

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03