CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03

amadangomor · 27-03-2020 05:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

The other guy said they are looking at everything.

Which means they aren't yet.

Think it will be a handy tool for them in the coming weeks. Can see them looking at it shortly

From a personal point of view I would know if I have antibodies and some level of immunity after my unknown infection.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 05:21PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

Jesus fucking christ. Do you know how delirious people suffering from sepsis can be? Or how critical it is?

Somebody is that state shouldn’t need to go through a GP even at a time like this. They can die in hours.

Boggles · 27-03-2020 05:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty has began self-isolating after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

It's hardly surprising, Bojo has been knowingly shaking the hands of infected people and then spending a large amount of time with the cabinet and chief medical officers.

God knows how many that absolute fúcktard has infected.

wakka12 · 27-03-2020 05:22PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-france/paris-hospitals-near-coronavirus-breaking-point-idUSKBN21E1AT?utm_source=reddit.com
Hospitals in Paris are also nearing breaking point
What the hell will this be like when it breaks out in the developing world?

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 05:22PM

No news on Italian cases yet?

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 05:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

England's Chief Medical Officer Chris Witty has began self-isolating after experiencing COVID-19 symptoms.

The dominos are falling one by one.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 05:23PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This fella explains exponential growth well relating to the corona virus.
Using the analogy of a Lilly-pad on a pond @2.35.

If a Lilly-pad doubled everyday and if it takes the lilly-pad 60 days to cover the whole pond. It it will take 59 days to cover half the pond and the whole pond is only covered on day 60.

Using that analogy and given that testing is incomplete. If it is growing that way we'd start to see a doubling of ICU patients every three days. Probably one to watch as most people have said on here as a real indication of where the epidemic is at. here have said.

dodzy · 27-03-2020 05:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

.....and if it was a family member of yours who was on death's door ?

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:24PM

murpho999 wrote: »

Can you back that up?
I don't remember thousands of Italians being in Dublin that weekend.

I don't think the Italians travel in large numbers for the rugby.

You're also forgetting the thousands of Irish people who traveled abroad and brought it home.

You're also ignoring that the virus is now being spread by Irish residents.

Your revisionism and "told you so" stuff is just cheap shots and you're just looking for someone to blame.

Not revisionism, fact. All our early travel cases came from Italy. And the early community spread stemmed from them. Irish people should have been brought home in a controlled manner - chartered flights and supervised quarantine. I said that at the time. I will find the posts in a while.

KingBobby · 27-03-2020 05:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Did he follow all the protocols? Did he organise a test? Did he report it to his general practitioner?

I commiserate for the guy and his family.

But the process is there for a reason, to stop this thing spreading like wildfire.

I had a look at US news the other day - it seemed to show people queuing for a test in a public hospital. If so this is insanity. The testing centres should be far away from hospitals. If nothing else we got that bit right in Ireland.

The point is you cannot just walk in off the street with covid 19 and hope to be treated. Its not that simple.

And anyone encouraging someone with covid19 symptoms to show up at an A&E is peddling very dangerous advice.

You really just don't get it. Sepsis and septic shock is one of the most serious things you can present with. Telling someone with sepsis to wait at home to see do they have covid first you are pretty much guaranteeing that they will die. If you had just hours/minutes before death, would you think hang on let me check protocol first?

Rob A. Bank · 27-03-2020 05:24PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

This fella explains exponential growth well relating to the corona virus.
Using the analogy of a Lilly-pad on a pond @2.35.

If a Lilly-pad doubled everyday and if it takes the lilly-pad 60 days to cover the whole pond. It it will take 59 days to cover half the pond and the whole pond is only covered on day 60.

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Kermit.de.frog · 27-03-2020 05:25PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

No news on Italian cases yet?

5 pm Italy releases its figures daily

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:26PM

dodzy wrote: »

.....and if it was a family member of yours who was on death's door ?

I am going on HSE advice. The HSE are the experts we keep being told.

There is long line of protocols to be followed. Now they are slow I agree, but there is a reason for them.

As for turning up at a private hospital without health insurance, the same would happen in Ireland, otherwise everyone would just turn up at private hospitals.

mees2020 · 27-03-2020 05:27PM

youtube.com/watch?v=bWFr6khY2U4

harr · 27-03-2020 05:27PM

One thing I have noticed the last few days is people are starting to become very irritable a few times this week I have seen people giving grief to shop assistants when asked to adhere to social distancing procedures the shop had implemented. In one instance one elderly enough man nearly lost the plot completely. The poor girls trying to do a hard enough job as it was without muppets giving her hassle:
Also seen It in tesco newbridge this morning when a woman was as asked to wait behind the line.

stockshares · 27-03-2020 05:27PM

Chris Whitty UK CMO self isolating.

27-03-2020 05:28PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Not revisionism, fact. All our early travel cases came from Italy. And the early community spread stemmed from them. Irish people should have been brought home in a controlled manner - chartered flights and supervised quarantine. I said that at the time. I will find the posts in a while.

That is all well and good. And you are probably right. But right now, stopping flights, given the tiny numbers and empty airports, is hardly the priority. That horse has long bolted. You are continuing this argument two weeks after it really doesn't matter any more

Blut2 · 27-03-2020 05:28PM

Has there been any coverage in the media yet of the new report by a working group of Italian doctors from the Italian Istituto Superiore di Sanità (Higher Institute of Health)? They last night just released the first detailed report on covid deaths so far in the country. Its got a couple of very interesting highlights:

Heres the age ranges of deaths: essentially non-existent for under 40s. 9 total people under 40. Of that 9, they tested 7 for underlying conditions, and 100% had them - either debates, obesity etc. Not a single healthy person under 40 has died from it.

And here are the overall deaths, across all age ranges:

This is part is absolutely key. Only 1.2% of Italian deaths, across all age ranges, had no underlying health conditions (diabetes, COPD etc). It looks like its not only just not killing young people, its not killing healthy old people.

https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf

It seems like this is pretty huge, positive news? Once it gets wider media coverage I'd imagine we'll see a lot of pressure to lift quarantines for the not-at-risk sections of society.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 27-03-2020 05:28PM

KingBobby wrote: »

You really just don't get it. Sepsis and septic shock is one of the most serious things you can present with. Telling someone with sepsis to wait at home to see do they have covid first you are pretty much guaranteeing that they will die. If you had just hours/minutes before death, would you think hang on let me check protocol first?

I know, it’s unbelievable. Even patients in hospital with sepsis are at a high risk of dying. When I presented at A&E, I followed my instincts and I was right because I was rushed straight through. One look at me and they knew it was bad.

shocksy · 27-03-2020 05:29PM

Lombardy, Italy’s most affected region, has confirmed 541 new coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours. It’s a 24 hour death record for the region. The total results for Italy are expected at 6 p.m. (Reuters)

Also 45 doctors have died since the outbreak in Italy

billybonkers · 27-03-2020 05:30PM

https://twitter.com/CMO_England/status/1243571992911138817

Boulevardier · 27-03-2020 05:30PM

Some basic predictions re timeframe for Ireland:

The 2nd and 3rd weeks of April will be the worst for us here.

The present shutdowns will be extended to the end of May.

There will be a partial relaxation of shutdowns at the beginning of June.

If that works out, almost everything (except some travel) will be back later in June.

I'm sure other people have much worse predictions than mine, but those are still my best guesses.

igCorcaigh · 27-03-2020 05:30PM

OT, but I did not know that flu could be deadly to children.

https://twitter.com/CDCFlu/status/1243575062185345027?s=19

Cork Boy 53 · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

Boggles wrote: »

It's hardly surprising, Bojo has been knowingly shaking the hands of infected people and then spending a large amount of time with the cabinet and chief medical officers.

God knows how many that absolute fúcktard has infected.

Presumably including his pregnant partner Carrie Symonds.

caveat emptor · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1243561515313217536?s=20

is_that_so · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Everywhere... just generally speaking..

Are we over the worst of it, I wonder?

Some have peaked, some seem to be close to their peak but a whole lot , including ourselves, have a long way to go. It's useful for us to watch the situations in Spain, Italy and the UK to get a sense of when we might get there.

tobefrank321 · 27-03-2020 05:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That is all well and good. And you are probably right. But right now, stopping flights, given the tiny numbers and empty airports, is hardly the priority. That horse has long bolted. You are continuing this argument two weeks after it really doesn't matter any more

I'm just responding to others who said its all revisionism. Its actually relevant today too though for other regions. But that's another discussion.

dodzy · 27-03-2020 05:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

I am going on HSE advice. The HSE are the experts we keep being told.

There is long line of protocols to be followed. Now they are slow I agree, but there is a reason for them.

As for turning up at a private hospital without health insurance, the same would happen in Ireland, otherwise everyone would just turn up at private hospitals.

My wife had sepsis on arrival at A&E not too long ago. I sincerely hope you are never in the situation as on your current form, you would be complicit in their death. It's rapidity is frightening.

RogerThis · 27-03-2020 05:32PM

From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

NEW YORK:
March 27 (GMT)
New York 44,635 +5,658
LIVE: New York Governor Cuomo daily briefing

Apex of hospital need could be in 21 days from now in New York
All hospitals need to increase capacity by 50%, some by 100%
Need a total of 140,000 hospital beds. Currently have 53,000 (additional 87,000 hospital beds needed)
Need a total of 40,000 ICU beds. Currently have 3,000, with 3,000 ventilators. An additional 37,000 ICU beds are needed
Will use college dormitories, hotels, nursing homes, and all possible space to convert to hospitals if needed in April
138,376 people tested
Schools will stay closed for an additional 2 weeks after April 1, to then reassess and extend again if needed. 180 days requirement has been waived
March 26 (GMT)
New York 38,977 +6,011
New York State Gov. Cuomo press briefing:

- COVID-19 patients average time on ventilator: 11 - 21 days (vs. 3 - 4 days for non-COVID-19 patients). "We have patients that have been 20 days 30 days on a ventilator. The longer you are on a ventilator, the more likely you are not going get off a ventilator"

- New York is testing more per capita than South Korea
March 24 (GMT)
Peak number of cases is still 2 to 3 weeks away in New York
"We've procured about 7,000 ventilators. We need, as a minimum, other 30,000 ventilators. This is a critical and desperate need for ventilators [..] We need them in 14 days. Fema is sending 400 ventilators only. Federal action is needed to address this now through the Federal Defense Production Act"
"The numbers are higher in New York because it started here first, it has a lot of international travelers and has high density, but you will see this in cities all across the country, and in suburban communities. Where we are today, you'll be in 4 weeks or 6 weeks.
Probably "hundreds of thousands of people" have already had Covid-19, didn't know they had it, and recovered. Should be tested for antibodies so they could go back to work and keep the economy going

yourdeadwright · 27-03-2020 05:33PM

Boulevardier wrote: »

Some basic predictions re timeframe for Ireland:

The 2nd and 3rd weeks of April will be the worst for us here.

The present shutdowns will be extended to the end of May.

There will be a partial relaxation of shutdowns at the beginning of June.

If that works out, almost everything (except some travel) will be back later in June.

I'm sure other people have much worse predictions than mine, but those are still my best guesses.

Everything depends on how many health care workers get it, If its a large amount we are screwed,

Also at the moment id like to think the vast majority of people 65 or over are having little to no contact with anyone else, My own parents haven't just getting there shopping left in the porch, Ud be hoping in two weeks times there will not be many elderly getting newly infected at all ,( obviously some are already and don't know yet )

CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)OP upd 28/03