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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #2342
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Steve F wrote: »
    Thanks for the explanation

    It's just when you see it and me being the Father of 15 yo Twin Daughters it tends to scare the living daylights out of you
    Stay safe

    Shiel irregular cases are indeed irregular it's valuable to scare the young (can't effect me) brigade.


  • #2343
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Could it be the case that very cold or freezing conditions can kill off the virus in the environment maybe?
    IIRC cold preserves the virus for longer, it's heat and especially UV from the sun that kills it.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2344
    padr81
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭padr81


    How long does it generally take for test results. We're all sick in my house, my son was the first one and only one tested. He was tested 8 days ago in Castlebar and we have no results. He's been isolated for 2 weeks (7 days before testing and 7 days after). He's 12 and has pretty high end adhd and I'd really like to let himout of isolation if possible.

    This is not a criticism of anyone in the health service, more curiosity of how long he'll be isolated. 12 with adhd does not mix well with isolation and its really getting him down. I don't think the kid can take another week.


  • #2345
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Lavinia wrote: »
    So Boris Johnson has the virus.. I just heard..

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/27/uk-coronavirus-live-rough-sleepers-nhs-applause-covid-19-latest-news

    Tracing his contacts will be a nightmare... Or have they stopped doing that in the UK too ?

    His 'Herd Immunity' notion is taking no prisoners !


  • #2346
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    Boris isolating with the girlfriend...could have some more fighting over the laptop headlines.

    ?


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  • #2347
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,322 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Tony EH wrote: »
    You have the choice, which is the point. For convenience, using a card is fine, but getting rid of cash completely means you have less control. You end up just being digits on a bank computer.

    Seriously, people need to be very careful in what they wish for and the likes of a cashless society won't be of any real benefit to the man in the street.
    Quoted for truth.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #2348
    Logan Roy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Could it be the case that very cold or freezing conditions can kill off the virus in the environment maybe?

    It's 12 degrees in Stockholm today


  • #2349
    BanditLuke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,600 ✭✭✭BanditLuke


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    Anyone else half expecting Putin to chance his arm during the chaos with some kind of power play?

    https://twitter.com/GermanoDottori/status/1242782227311792128?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpolitics.ie%2Fthreads%2Fwuhan-coronavirus-coming-soon.273716%2Fpage-571

    Would put nothing past him tbh.


  • #2350
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Wibbs wrote: »
    IIRC cold preserves the virus for longer, it's heat and especially UV from the sun that kills it.


    I'd imagine that's true. It's just strange that they'd be so laxidasical about it


  • #2351
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Of course the West treats it's truth tellers and whistle-blowers far better than that !

    Edward Snowden
    Chelsea Manning
    Julian Assange

    :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:

    Did I say otherwise. I discussed China's reaction this outbreak. I didn't say the West has been great to whistleblowers (I would have McCabe and leave off Assange but the point is the same). Someone talked about China reacting quickly. I said this was wrong. I really don't get what Chelsea Manning has to do with China's reaction to the Corona virus


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  • #2352
    RubyK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭RubyK


    Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1243498002771095552


  • #2353
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    RubyK wrote: »
    Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

    :eek:


  • #2354
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    cloudatlas wrote: »
    ?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home


  • #2355
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    Boggles wrote: »
    TBH I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even Trump.

    But the way he is acting if he were to disappear lives will be saved.

    For his sake the US Secret Service had better be doing double or triple duty as I could see some people trying to deliberately infect him. Not sure if that would be a good or bad thing.


  • #2356
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Oh stop being so preachy.

    He's the man who said he'd send the virus packing in 12 weeks stalled on bringing in restrictions and I think his decisions will ultimately kill thousands of people.

    So I don't wish him ill-wil but it is ironic that he got it and i'm not the only one finds it.

    Many countries stalled on implementing measures but they didn't use the words 'herd immunity' and that is why the Uk Gov has been crucified because they actually named it. Varadkar says you can meet with 4 people outside your family. What if one infects one of those four and then they go off an infect people in turn. Would that create 'Herd Immunity'?


  • #2357
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Wibbs wrote: »
    It's now illegal to sell wild animals for food, but it wasn't illegal when this nonsense started there. Neither were the many thousands of such markets in China. It''l be interesting to see how they actually clamp down on this backwards practice, especially with so much dirty money behind them.

    And the sackings were the usual party optics. The other usual party optics was the silencing of doctors and others who tried to highlight and warn about this outbreak. But yeah the Party is only great. :rolleyes:

    The more I read of your stuff the more I think of the Chinese version of Israel's online apologists.

    FFS.

    China is a brutal dictatorship, nobody seriously disputes that.

    They are also the second biggest economy in the world, outstanding when they put their minds to it - they build two prefab hospitals in less than two weeks. They locked down a city the size of London in a matter of days and a province the size of the UK. So that no-one could get in or out.

    IT WORKED!

    Ignore their lessons all you want - see where it gets you in the end. A year long economic meltdown it looks like.

    Yeh lets just all willfully ignore the lessons from a successful model. No wonder we are screwed.

    I was going to mention something about how the US are doing right now, but you'd say I was an apologist for Marxism or some such.


  • #2358
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,777 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    BanditLuke wrote: »
    Glad you think someone having the virus is funny.

    I wish him all the best and hope he fights off this terrible illness.

    He didn't give a fuck about other people getting a couple of weeks ago.


  • #2359
    [Deleted User]
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    Steve F wrote: »
    Thanks for the explanation

    It's just when you see it and me being the Father of 15 yo Twin Daughters it tends to scare the living daylights out of you
    Stay safe

    As munsterlegend says the stats don’t support it. Despite the ferocity of the outbreak in Italy for example no deaths under 30 have been reported so far.


  • #2360
    from_atozinc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,943 ✭✭✭from_atozinc


    Wibbs wrote: »
    IIRC cold preserves the virus for longer, it's heat and especially UV from the sun that kills it.


    I always thought cold was good to kill germs and that germs thrived in hot conditions, but obviously not true


  • #2361
    pH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭pH


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    What Iceland have shown is that 50% of those tested positive have no symptoms

    Surely this is expected? Imagine we're on day n of an outbreak and today 100 new people are infected. The people infected over the last 10 days should look something like (not exact figures based on covid-19, just an example).

    n = 100 (new infections today)
    n-1 = 80
    n-2 = 64
    n-3 = 52
    n-4 = 41
    n-5 = 33
    n-6 =23
    n-7 =21
    n-8 = 17
    n-9 = 13

    So if you don't show symptoms until 5 days after you become infected, and if we tested all these people today we would find:

    Infected 440
    Symptomatic (those infected in days n-5 to n-9) 107
    Asymptomatic (those infected in days n to n-4) 337

    Obviously these are not exact figures based on exactly when people normally show symptoms for covid-19, they are just indicative that when the number of cases is increasing exponentially to you would expect to see a high number of asymptomatic cases (who will most likely go on to be symptomatic in the next few days)


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  • #2362
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    RubyK wrote: »
    Boris Johnson has confirmed he has tested positive for corona virus

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1243498002771095552

    Yes. Mild symptoms so far anyway.


  • #2363
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    There will always be these irregular cases. Some young people die of the flu but we never hear about it. This poor girl had a very unlikely reaction so lets not build it into something widespread as the stats don’t support it.

    i am sick to death of this horse**** bandwagon reply.

    the information that has been ubiquitous in all media led to a false sense of security for young people.

    Saying you only need to really worry if you are elderly or have an existing health issues, let young people float about as if they were care free,

    1. Spreading the virus deeper into society

    2. having the rare casualties like this girl and the 21 year old in England.

    The message should have been from the beginning that this is a deadly virus, everyone needs to take care and prevent it spreading regardless if the casualties in the youth are the exception, one life lost NEEDLESSLY is one to many.

    I have a 22 year old, i would be devastated if he contracted and dies from it because the message sent out was not to worry if your young.


  • #2364
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Christy42 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Did I say otherwise. I discussed China's reaction this outbreak. I didn't say the West has been great to whistleblowers (I would have McCabe and leave off Assange but the point is the same). Someone talked about China reacting quickly. I said this was wrong. I really don't get what Chelsea Manning has to do with China's reaction to the Corona virus

    It's whataboutery, the standard response to any criticism of the USA, China or Russia by those closely following their respective playbooks.


  • #2365
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    For his sake the US Secret Service had better be doing double or triple duty as I could see some people trying to deliberately infect him. Not sure if that would be a good or bad thing.

    He shook hands with literally everyone last week.

    The dotard will infect himself.


  • #2366
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    giggys wrote: »
    You will be pleased to know from 1st april Dublin Bus are getting a reduced service, a emergency Covid-19 timetable.
    We have waited until 1st april to ensure that all bonuses linked to servivce levels in financial quarter 1 can be reached and paid out to managment in both DB & NTA.
    In these difficult time, rest assure all Dublin Bus and NTA execuitives are self isolating and are safe and well provisioned at home.
    When this Covid-19 plague passes we will come out of our bunkers and be ready to get whats left of Dublin moving once again.

    Where is that being reported? Nothing on the news section of their app or their website.


  • #2367
    Logan Roy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 452 ✭✭Logan Roy


    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    i am sick to death of this horse**** bandwagon reply.

    the information that has been ubiquitous in all media led to a false sense of security for young people.

    Saying you only need to really worry if you are elderly or have an existing health issues, let young people float about as if they were care free,

    1. Spreading the virus deeper into society

    2. having the rare casualties like this girl and the 21 year old in England.

    The message should have been from the beginning that this is a deadly virus, everyone needs to take care and prevent it spreading regardless if the casualties in the youth are the exception, one life lost NEEDLESSLY is one to many.

    I have a 22 year old, i would be devastated if he contracted and dies from it because the message sent out was not to worry if your young.

    There's a difference between a "message" and "facts". Are you advocating the governments lie about the age profile mostly impacted to try and get all ages to comply with measures?


  • #2368
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    Naggdefy wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/21/police-called-to-loud-altercation-at-boris-johnsons-home

    Ah yes the 'concerned' neighbour.

    “Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.”


  • #2369
    Loughc
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 26,077 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    You tell your employer that you staying at home - if he sacks you - you can take him to court etc.

    Get job in Tesco if need money

    Only seen this now as this thread moves far too quickly especially after figure annoucements, firstly if I do that and get sacked all I can do is take him to the labour court, max pay out there is 2 years salary and it takes years to even get a case and settlement completed.

    Secondly Tesco would not be interested in hiring me, I'd get the whole "overqualified" "would leave as soon as a job opens up in your field" etc

    So it really isn't as easy as you make it sound.


  • #2370
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    from_atozinc wrote: »
    I always thought cold was good to kill germs and that germs thrived in hot conditions, but obviously not true

    Depends on the germs and other factors such as moisture.

    The heat thing comes from tropical climates, where it is hot, shady (in forested areas) and humid. That certainly suits some microbes, but really they vary a great deal. Direct sunlight and dry conditions are usually bad for both viruses and bacteria though.


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  • #2371
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    There are many possibilities though - it gives some/most people immunity, but not others, it gives temporary immunity for a few weeks then goes, possibly that it can give partial immunity (i.e. you can still get it, but are better able to deal with it the second time), you can have immunity to one strain, but not to another novel strain etc.
    Or there are much more pessimistic potential outcomes. Just saying, because all your suggested outcomes are that we do build up immunity, when there is no evidence of this. An RNA virus can quickly modify itself so it damages the immune system.


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