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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #1472
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,332 ✭✭✭blackcard


    The first case in the country, the first death, the first big leap in the amount of cases all felt like seminal moments but tonight's news really feels like a kick in the stomach and like this crisis is gone to a new level. Fight really starts now.


  • #1473
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    With a % error though- and that really should inform what decisions are made based on those tests. Somene earlier suggested a 96% "accuracy", though I haven't been able to find out the source, or if that means specificity or sensitivity.

    That was me. A friend runs a lab. He was sent data on the new test which said it was 96% accurate.


  • #1474
    boetstark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭boetstark


    wakka12 wrote: »
    People out and about does not necessarily mean any significantly greater risk of transmission between households if they maintain social distance

    Why has WHO and government ramped up advice to stay at home except essential travel, is it a joke they are playing.
    Get real and accept advice from experts.


  • #1475
    Ce he sin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    iwillyeah1234 wrote: »
    Hopkins - USA has overtaken China in total number of cases.


    That would depend on how much faith you have in the Chinese figures though.


  • #1476
    Wheety
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭Wheety


    The US has the most single day new cases of any country. Even China at it's peak. It's going to get very bad there.


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  • #1477
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe

    Right now I wish I was living in China.


  • #1478
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Columbia wrote: »
    I agree with you. I've discussed with my wife (whose parents are hardline communist party members, and whose grandfather was one of the original communists in China), how something as simple as an independent media (to which the Wuhan doctors, finding their original diagnoses were suppressed) could have reported and avoided this whole thing. There should be repercussions, but I highly doubt there will be.
    People keep pushing this big bad China stuff - the European and American gov'ts knew about this for well over a month before they did anything. Sure, China could have told them a few weeks earlier, but if they didn't care to act when it was clearly f*cking rampant over there, why are people pretending they would have acted when they had the first few dozen cases??


  • #1479
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That was me. A friend runs a lab. He was sent data on the new test which said it was 96% accurate.

    4% false negatives is a bit high I suppose. We would also need to know the immune.


  • #1480
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I live next door to a golf course, since they closed the course and put up a sign and told people to keep off, it’s a brilliant place to go for a walk now, totally deserted

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #1481
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Columbia wrote: »
    I agree with you. I've discussed with my wife (whose parents are hardline communist party members, and whose grandfather was one of the original communists in China), how something as simple as an independent media (to which the Wuhan doctors, finding their original diagnoses were suppressed) could have reported and avoided this whole thing. There should be repercussions, but I highly doubt there will be.

    The free press in the US belittled the virus for months.... At least some of it did.

    Anyway the US had enough time to act. China informed the W.H.O in December.


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  • #1482
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    FVP3 wrote: »
    4% false negatives is a bit high I suppose. We would also need to know the immune.

    From what I heard, that's pretty good for home testing. But I'm not expert in that field.


  • #1483
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    i said it before, if it starts spreading in homeless people, a few hotels will have to go into lockdown
    amadangomor wrote: »
    Homeless in hotels are not the same as rough sleepers.

    think he meant hostels


  • #1484
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Wheety wrote: »
    The US has the most single day new cases of any country. Even China at it's peak. It's going to get very bad there.

    It’s going to be extremely bad. It’s almost the perfect storm

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #1485
    dublin99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭dublin99


    Antibodies found in pet dog serum test in Hong Kong:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3077177/coronavirus-final-testing-hong-kong-dogs-blood

    Whilst there is no evidence that humans can get infected by their pets, it is worth bearing in mind there is a possibility.


  • #1486
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    EmptyTree wrote: »
    And yet his approval rating is at the highest of his presidency.

    What is the approval rating. I mean just saying it the highest its ever been is meaningless. I I was selling something and 1 day say look its great its at the hiest its ever been by that high is only 4 its does not mean it good. So what is the number


  • #1487
    downwithpeace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭downwithpeace


    omerin wrote: »
    Can someone please explain to me why the **** are guards shopping, collecting prescriptions and making deliveries? I equate it to nurses and doctors cleaning the floors in hospitals, why are they wasting their time on meaninless activities, activities that should be done through the shops, chemists or communities. It is a waste of their manpower, when they should be strategically planning for what is to come.

    I honestly couldnt believe it when i saw the picture of 2 guards in a shop, if we werent in such dire times i would have laughed.


    Guards aren't just about policing. It's not meaningless to have those that look to a career where they put others first and then do that. Great respect to them for doing so.


  • #1488
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    200 homeless people in Dublin.

    Lets not start panicking here.

    4,600 adults according to here...
    https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

    and that doesn't even include people who are living in squats or ‘sofa surfing’, women staying in domestic violence shelters, or people who are sleeping rough.


  • #1489
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I live next door to a golf course, since they closed the course and put up a sign and told people to keep off, it’s a brilliant place to go for a walk now, totally deserted

    You ll have loads of time to improve your chipping and putting too.


  • #1490
    Rattlehead_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    To anyone reading this thread and letting panic set in....yes there is reason to be concerned but dont let it be panic ffs. Might be an interesting read around mental health and this.

    https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief


  • #1491
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Has Holohan ever mentioned whether they try to model/estimate the amount of people actually infected in the country?

    I would imagine it would be multiples of what the confirmed case figure is.


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  • #1492
    Coyote
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Number updated to match todays report - repost due to speed of thread

    No Change in number
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    Slow Change
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    Big Drop in numbers
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    again with all of this i'm just trying to show people the 14 day delay in an change in how we deal with this
    if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late
    everyone has to make up there own mind but at least look at the maths

    3 weeks no change 44K
    3 weeks slow change 29K
    3 weeks big drop 9K

    1 month no change 151K
    1 month slow change 56K
    1 month big drop 11K

    you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now


  • #1493
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Channel Islands. :rolleyes:

    Urm, yeah, I’m well aware of that. My point was that they are not on the list either together or separately, whilst the Isle Of Man is, despite them all apparently being dependencies. We were wondering why the Isle of Man was listed. If you’re going to deploy the ol’ rolly eyes, at least make sure you know what you’re responding to there, Jimbo. Might be an idea. What do you reckon?


  • #1494
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That was me. A friend runs a lab. He was sent data on the new test which said it was 96% accurate.

    As in, it correctly detects 96% of positives, or correctly fails to detect 96% of negatives? Or both?


  • #1495
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    Coyote wrote: »
    you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now

    Which trajectory do you think is most likely for us, Coyote? The middle one?


  • #1496
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    4,600 according to here...
    https://www.focusireland.ie/resource-hub/latest-figures-homelessness-ireland/

    Huge difference between rough sleepers and homeless people in hotels etc.

    Rough sleepers will be far more vulnerable and will generally have poor health/lifestyles.


  • #1497
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,366 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Strangely one of the biggest things Obama is most critised for in his years of President is for acting slowly on nearly everything, Not a great trait to have for this is it

    Ya a Trump was 1 of the most frequent people doing it.


  • #1498
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    fryup wrote: »
    think he meant hostels

    well, them too


  • #1499
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    boetstark wrote: »
    Why has WHO and government ramped up advice to stay at home except essential travel, is it a joke they are playing.
    Get real and accept advice from experts.

    You sure they excluded excercise or walking from that?

    Just googled it and they didnt. Essential travel means travel in cars, trains etc.

    As for walking...

    from:

    https://www2.hse.ie/wellbeing/mental-health/minding-your-mental-health-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

    exercise regularly, especially walking - you can do this even if you need to self-quarantine


  • #1500
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,684 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Rjd2 wrote: »
    I for the last few weeks pretty much isolated myself and did everything correctly.

    Today was my first day in the office when I did not really need to be in, but boss insisted and nope it was a non-essential job.

    And now I am just utterly disgusted and a little scared, I know the chances of picking it up today is minimal but going to spend the next 2 weeks worrying about it which is not healthy.

    Lads if your boss tries to strong arm you into working if you don't really need to , hold your ground and remind them that **** will truly hit the fan if you pick it up in an office where you don't need to be working.

    It won't be worth their while arguing with you and if like me you can work remotely it will be much less stressful worrying about picking it up or spreading it regarding workmates.

    You'll do more damage to your mental health sitting at home obsessing about this, believe me.


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  • #1501
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    As in, it correctly detects 96% of positives, or correctly fails to detect 96% of negatives? Or both?

    Dunno. I mentioned a Guardian article about the test and he said he was sent data on it and he mentioned 96% accuracy. That's all we discussed about it. The article said it will tell you if you have it or had it.


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