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CoVid19 Part XI - 2,615 in ROI (46 deaths) 410 in NI (21 deaths)(29/03)*OP upd 28/03*

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  • #1442
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    And we will rebuild. But humans need to come first.

    Human beings are part of the economy. We need to continue what we are doing, but it will cause a major recession, but then we need to work out something to eventually to get past the social distancing.

    As I said before, home test kits are the only way, until we get a vaccine.


  • #1443
    jill_valentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Explain why you think Obama would have been perfect for this job?

    Obama took the threat of an internationally communicated pandemic seriously enough to have established and funded a number of preventative and monitoring mechanisms ahead of it happening, the most famous of which was the Global Health Security and Biodefense unit Trump disbanded.

    Obama also understands how things like facts and science work. He preferred experts to yes men. Which is not unique to him, but is uniquely lacking in his successor.

    Trump left his country completely unprepared by straight out denying there was an issue that needed addressing at all for as long as he could. So not only did he fail to prepare for the oncoming threat, AND fail to respond to a present threat, he made his followers *more* vulnerable to it than if he'd done nothing at all, which is why you have people ingesting aquarium chemicals and going to parties on the basis it's all just a hoax anyway.

    Trump's 2021 budget proposal, which his administration was still arguing for as of at least last week, would cut Health and Human Services funding by $9.5 billion, including $1.2 billion from the CDC and $35 million from the Infectious Diseases Rapid Response Reserve Fund (eg the PPE stockpile money).

    The longer you insist there's no graphite on the roof, the further you're letting the fallout spread.


  • #1444
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Fakediamond wrote: »
    My father lost three siblings. An old man from my village, now long deceased, remembered seeing the three shrouded bodies lined up when he was a child, so they must have died at the same time. AFAIK, it continued to resurface right up to 1939 in different waves, but I’m open to correction on that.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    I remember my maternal grandmother telling me stories of that time F. She would have been 18/19 when the pandemic rolled in. She told me she caught it early on, which would have likely saved her, the second wave being far worse. Her mother was one of those women who helped with local births and deaths. My grandmother helped her in turn. And yes talk of every second household calling on them to look at the recently deceased and "lay them out".

    My grandfather caught it when he was a small child. It was always mentioned in our family, we were all very aware of it, of how it spread, what it did to people and families. Those who survived, like my grandfather, had often to deal with life-long, life-threatening health issues (in my grandfather's case, a very, very serious heart condition).

    His mother, on the other hand, survived smallpox.


  • #1445
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    extra gravy wrote: »
    I lost my grandmother at the end of last year, I'm so glad now that she went in peace when she did and didn't have to live through this. Can't imagine what it must be like for families not being able visit their sick elderly relatives. Hope anyone here in that position finds the strength to get through it.

    Lost my mother at the end of last year she had cancer and I have thought she could not have lived through this


  • #1446
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    Sono Topolino wrote: »
    Just don’t. It’s selfish and stupid.

    A walk where people meet other people, isn't dangerous. And isn't banned anywhere except Spain, and even there you can walk your dog.


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  • #1447
    iwillyeah1234
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭iwillyeah1234


    Hopkins - USA has overtaken China in total number of cases.


  • #1448
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    i said it before, if it starts spreading in homeless people, a few hotels will have to go into lockdown

    Homeless in hotels are not the same as rough sleepers.


  • #1449
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Hurrache wrote: »
    So giving them squatters rights anywhere they pull into. That's ridiculous.

    Nope - it only gives protection to where they currently are (when the bill passes)


  • #1450
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Trump has been anti-war for quite a long time now.

    He has publicly criticised many of the conflicts that the U.S has been involved in... and predicted that they would be disastrous mistakes!

    I'm not saying it's impossible that he could take them into a war... but there are far more dangerous world leaders and nations right now. Russia and China being the biggest of them!

    Trump will criticise and take the opposite position to something based on whether it was conceived of by someone he is threatened by, regardless if he believes in it or not. His position on anything should be taken with a grain of sudefed.


  • #1451
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    stockshares wrote: »
    Train also. The Commuter belt all with high numbers

    Total cases as of Tuesday 24th
    Dublin 774
    Wicklow 49
    Kildare 39
    Meath 27
    Louth 20
    Kilkenny 19
    Wexford 8
    Carlow <5

    Cork 154
    Kerry 38
    Tipp 27
    Waterford 22


    Good theory may be true. I also feel that this is spread through the air in confined spaces more that the magic 6 feet.


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  • #1452
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    FVP3 wrote: »
    Human beings are part of the economy. We need to continue what we are doing, but it will cause a major recession, but then we need to work out something to eventually to get past the social distancing.

    As I said before, home test kits are the only way, until we get a vaccine.

    Yes, the widespread availability of test kits for antibodies would be a game changer. We would immediately know who has had the disease and who hasn’t.
    At the moment we are flying blind.


  • #1453
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    If anybody doubts how the US in general messed this up, there is this from the NYT
    As luck would have it, Dr. Chu had a way to monitor the region. For months, as part of a research project into the flu, she and a team of researchers had been collecting nasal swabs from residents experiencing symptoms throughout the Puget Sound region.

    To repurpose the tests for monitoring the coronavirus, they would need the support of state and federal officials. But nearly everywhere Dr. Chu turned, officials repeatedly rejected the idea, interviews and emails show, even as weeks crawled by and outbreaks emerged in countries outside of China, where the infection began.

    By Feb. 25, Dr. Chu and her colleagues could not bear to wait any longer. They began performing coronavirus tests, without government approval.

    Feb 25th was well into the crisis. The original thread here was on its 2nd or 3rd iteration. There was no known case in Ireland but everybody here knew that there would be one here soon.

    From:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/coronavirus-testing-delays.html


  • #1454
    jam83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭jam83


    kingshankly wrote: »
    We are all aware that the economy is going to suffer but do we need to hear it so much people have enough on their plate as it is
    We will cross that bridge when it comes

    The bridge will have collapsed by then.


  • #1455
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The nursing homes are struggling to maintain staff in any event (the pay is terrible in most of the homes). If a lot of the staff are out sick with CV, who is looking after the residents?

    I'm really hoping that in the new world all of these essential workers will be rewarded for the role they play in society.

    I live in hope.


  • #1456
    Be right back
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,359 ✭✭✭Be right back


    FVP3 wrote: »
    A walk where people meet other people, isn't dangerous. And isn't banned anywhere except Spain, and even there you can walk your dog.

    It would be far worse if people were cooped up all the time. Just try pick someplace that is relatively quiet.


  • #1457
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Terribly emotional day in this - watching the applause for those on the front line and hearing of ten deaths (also hearing earlier through friends of friends of a husband and wife passing)

    This is just the beginning - stay home, when possible and let's get through this.


  • #1458
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,710 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    we are, for now.

    watch this space...


    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe


  • #1459
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Yes, the widespread availability of test kits for antibodies would be a game changer. We would immediately know who has had the disease and who hasn’t.
    At the moment we are flying blind.

    With a % error though- and that really should inform what decisions are made based on those tests. Somene earlier suggested a 96% "accuracy", though I haven't been able to find out the source, or if that means specificity or sensitivity.


  • #1460
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe

    Well there's an easy way to do that, once they open the airports again.


  • #1461
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,365 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Trump will not like this guy speaking atm


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  • #1462
    declanflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe
    God help us all


  • #1463
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    jam83 wrote: »
    The bridge will have collapsed by then.

    It was always going to collapse anyway.
    What we have is people. A huge resource.


  • #1464
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Yurt! wrote: »
    Not a fan of O'Brien, think he's a watery economist, but he's probably on the money on this. All European countries and developed economies are going to have to spend like crazy after this is done. The old austerity orthodoxy we were trained into believing is the only path is consigned to history, whether you think the measures were necessary or needlessly harmful.

    The age of austerity and German inspired prudence are over. Fiscal compact will be out the window soon enough.

    Is he Stephen Donnelly's older bolder brother?


  • #1465
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe

    Why so?


  • #1466
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    i said it before, if it starts spreading in homeless people, a few hotels will have to go into lockdown

    200 homeless people in Dublin.

    Lets not start panicking here.


  • #1467
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    I'm really hoping that in the new world all of these essential workers will be rewarded for the role they play in society.

    I live in hope.

    Who is going pay them though. There will be **** all money.


  • #1468
    FVP3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭FVP3


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'd prefer to become part of the United States Of America, than The United States Of Europe

    Well, they won't let you in Toby. Doors been closed.

    But since you are stuck herein Europe, try a bit of regard for your fellow Europeans rather than a hostile country 3000 miles away.


  • #1469
    [Deleted User]
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    Macdarack wrote: »
    More susceptible as of historically been the worker of the house and been out in poor air work environment I wonder..?

    It's a fact that Preterm girls have always had the advantage of survival over preterm boys at the same gestation.
    Maybe it's the same at the end of life too..


  • #1470
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,369 ✭✭✭paul71


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Good theory may be true. I also feel that this is spread through the air in confined spaces more that the magic 6 feet.

    It is certainly public transport I feel. That is why NYC is so hard hit, the subway system. I have relatives in cities in upstate New York, Rochester and Buffalo, (no subways)those cities have populations comparable to Dublin but nowwhere near the infection rate of NYC. London in the next few days will have huge numbers too.

    The commuter belt counties have been effected but a far lower proportion than in Dublin, because only a few towns are served by trains. A lot of people in Meath and perhaps less so in Kildare drive because they are as close to work as they are to a train station.


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  • #1471
    irishgeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,713 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    The chart while not including today's figures has us levelling off and we are just hitting the schools closure and social distancing measures not quite the same as the curve on other countries.

    might be a chink of light.

    https://www.bing.com/covid/local/ireland


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