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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #8762
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    john_doe. wrote: »
    If someone is non symptomatic , how long are they infectious for ?

    They won't show any syptoms but I assume they can carry it for up to 14 days or more .

    So if person A is non symptomatic , and meets person B on day 14 , person B may not show symptoms for + another 14 days.

    This would mean if living someone and the infection came into house on day 0 with person A, person B would not possibly show symptoms for 28 days ?

    That is why Person A and Person B should avoid all possible travel until all this dies down - be in 2 weeks or 2 months.


  • #8763
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Who is going to fine them? The Coughing Wardens?

    Gardai


  • #8764
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,766 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Penfailed wrote: »
    In the current circumstances, purposely coughing on someone is tantamount to assault.
    Coronavirus: Man who licked goods on supermarket shelf arrested on terror charge
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coronavirus-man-who-licked-goods-21749577


  • #8765
    lbj666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭lbj666


    Jefferson Rough Radius wrote: »
    A few pages back so one asked if the ICU numbers were a total needing it or the number in ICU now. Another poster said it’s a running total and that’s what I believed but reading the undate again it looks like that’s the total that have needed icu not the number in ICU now.

    Quoting the test from RTÉ website



    To me that looks like a total number rather than the current number. This is a key distinction as if it’s the total who needed it it’s a lot more positive than if it’s the number in ICU now.

    It takes a long while to get out of icu so I imagine the majority are still in there. The rate going in will be greater than the rate going out, which is where a massive about of the challenge lies. In Italy and Spain this snowballed fast.


  • #8766
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    That was a good briefing, and I understand the rationale for the new testing criteria, but why charge for €30 twice?


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  • #8767
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,098 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    US air passenger traffic now operating around 10% of normal

    US%20airline%20pasenger%20traffic.jpg?itok=3dKBnGgo


  • #8768
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭crossman47


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    That was a good briefing, and I understand the rationale for the new testing criteria, but why charge for €30 twice?

    You have to keep GPs onside. Charge is not to patient.


  • #8769
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Behind a pay wall.

    https://uk.style.yahoo.com/coronavirus-covid19-oxford-research-britons-infection-134223089.html


  • #8770
    Nonoperational
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,401 ✭✭✭Nonoperational


    Wonder how much pollution and Co2 this will save? Will it ultimately be significant?


  • #8771
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    crossman47 wrote: »
    You have to keep GPs onside. Charge is not to patient.

    Oh OK, thanks. I misunderstood.


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  • #8772
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,231 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Gardai

    How much is this fine? Is there actually an on the spot fine or is it something you made up?


  • #8773
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,713 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I personally would grieve more for a 15 year old.

    Okay then I grieve for everyone who dies of this virus equally


  • #8774
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think a lot of the positive action by the government. I think this stems from the fact that they effectively lost the last election.
    They see it as an opportunity to win the next one / national security.
    I obviously can't speak to the motive but fair play to them.

    Look what's happening in UK and US. Keep business going, oh wait do shut down. Oh how long can this go on.

    They are all under extreme pressure from their main financial backers to get things going at the soonest opportunity.
    They are heeding the public health advice and gambling essentially that it will pay off when this blows over.

    They didn't have my last vote but if we get through this better than most countries they will have my vote.

    It’s not a death count competition ffs. Okay I’ll bite. Ireland IS not doing well when compared with countries with a similar population for example New Zealand. London has a larger population than Ireland. Will ye cop on to yourself, some people on this thread who keep relishing the death counts in the uk are sick in the head


  • #8775
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8151117/Woman-21-no-pre-existing-conditions-dies-coronavirus-family-reveal-pay-tribute.html

    21 year old no pre existing conditions dies from Coronavirus.


  • #8776
    mick987
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭mick987


    marilynrr wrote: »
    They're on their way now anyway! Around 80 of them. Many of them got flights to London last night.....so back to Ireland now and they have to self isolate for 14 days.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0325/1126388-coronavirus-irish-doctors-australia/

    If I was the Australian government when this was over I would ban all Irish People from getting a working visa for 5 year.


  • #8777
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,737 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    US air passenger traffic now operating around 10% of normal

    US%20airline%20pasenger%20traffic.jpg?itok=3dKBnGgo

    It will be all back to normal by Easter apparently.


  • #8778
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,713 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    TheMilkyPirate wrote: »
    Personally yes I would grieve more for a 15 year old than I would an 85 year old.

    Ok then I don't


  • #8779
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,917 ✭✭✭GM228


    Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Day 26 - Wednesday 25/03/2020

    Today's Stats:-
    Total cases: 1564
    Daily case increase: 17.68%
    Daily case confirmation increase/decrease: 15.20%
    Mortality rate: 0.58%
    Recovery rate: 0.32%
    Poplulation infected: 0.032%

    Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 37.41%
    Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 16/03/20): 25.34%
    Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 19/03/20): 23.59%
    Average daily cases last 3 days (since 23/03/20): 20.00%

    Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 45.94%
    Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 16/03/20): 28.30%
    Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 19/03/20): 30.43%
    Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 23/03/20): 29.78%


    For comparrison, yesterdays day 1, 3 day, 7 day and 10 day averages:-
    GM228 wrote: »
    Average daily cases change since day 1 (29/02/20): 38.20%
    Average daily cases change last 10 days (since 15/03/20): 26.67%
    Average daily cases change last 7 days (since 18/03/20): 24.69%
    Average daily cases last 3 days (since 22/03/20): 19.24%

    Average daily case confirmation since day 1 (29/02/20): 47.17%
    Average daily case confirmation last 10 days (since 15/03/20): 27.04%
    Average daily case confirmation last 7 days (since 18/03/20): 29.29%
    Average daily case confirmation last 3 days (since 22/03/20): 30.92%



    DAY
    |
    DATE
    |
    Cases
    |
    New Cases
    |
    Total Cases
    |
    Case Increase
    |
    Daily Reporting Change
    |
    Deaths to date
    |
    Mortality Rate
    |
    Hospitalised
    |
    Hospital Rate
    |
    ICU
    |
    ICU Rate
    |
    *Recovered
    |
    Recovery Rate
    |
    Population %

    1|29/02/2020|0|1|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    2|01/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    3|02/03/2020|1|0|1|0.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    4|03/03/2020|1|1|2|100.00%|0%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    5|04/03/2020|2|4|6|200.00%|300.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    6|05/03/2020|6|7|13|116.67%|75.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    7|06/03/2020|13|5|18|38.46%|-28.57%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    8|07/03/2020|18|1|19|5.56%|-80.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    9|08/03/2020|19|2|21|10.53%|100.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    10|09/03/2020|21|3|24|14.29%|50.00%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.000%
    11|10/03/2020|24|10|34|41.67%|233.33%|0|N/A|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    12|11/03/2020|34|9|43|26.47%|-10.00%|1|2.33%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    13|12/03/2020|43|27|70|62.79%|200.00%|1|1.43%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.001%
    14|13/03/2020|70|20|90|28.57%|-25.93%|1|1.11%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.002%
    15|14/03/2020|90|39|129|43.33%|95.00%|2|1.55%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
    16|15/03/2020|129|40|169|31.01%|2.56%|2|1.18%|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|NR|0.003%
    17|16/03/2020|169|54|223|31.95%|35.00%|2|0.90%|84|37.7%|6|2.69%|5|2.24%|0.005%
    18|17/03/2020|223|69|292|30.94%|27.78%|2|0.68%|108|37%|7|2.40%|5|1.71%|0.006%
    19|18/03/2020|292|74|366|25.34%|7.25%|2|0.55%|140|38.8%|12|3.28%%|5|1.37%|0.007%
    20|19/03/2020|366|191|557|52.19%|158.11%|3|0.54%|173|31.1%|13|2.33%|5|0.9%|0.011%
    21|20/03/2020|557|126|683|22.62%|-34.03%|3|0.44%|211|30.9%|13|1.90%|5|0.73%|0.014%
    22|21/03/2020|683|102|785|14.93%|-19.05%|3|0.38%|239|30.4%|25|3.18%|5|0.64%|0.016%
    23|22/03/2020|785|121|906|15.41%|18.63%|4|0.44%|277|30.6%|36|3.97%|5|0.64%|0.018%
    24|23/03/2020|906|219|1125|24.17%|80.99%|6|0.53%|305|27.1%|39|3.47%|5|0.44%|0.023%
    25|24/03/2020|1129|204|1329|18.13%|-6.85%|7|0.53%|NR|NR|39|2.93%|5|0.38%|0.027%
    26|25/03/2020|1329|235|1564|17.68%|15.20%|9|0.58%|NR|NR|39|2.49%|5|0.32%|0.032%

    NR = Not Reported

    Source: Department of Health

    *"Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data suplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

    Day 20 - Thursday 19/03/20 Stats
    Day 21 - Friday 20/03/20 Stats
    Day 22 - Saturday 21/03/20
    Day 23 - Sunday 22/03/20
    Day 24 - Monday 23/03/20
    Day 25 - Tuesday 24/03/20


  • #8780
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Banner2theend wrote: »
    Thought that Dr Holohan was showing the signs of strain at tonight's DOH presser. A bit spiky I thought with his answers. Any thoughts?

    I wouldn't read too much into it. I'm sure the man is tired, probably getting by on a few hours sleep a night and running around like a blue arsed fly and getting shíte from some quarters no matter what he does or says.


  • #8781
    Inquitus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,796 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    UK report suggesting 45 millions cases in UK already, and none of them showed symptoms

    They tested an entire town in Italy and found that this was not the case there, there was not a huge amount of asymptomatic cases, this is an Oxford report that seems to be complete BS.


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  • #8782
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    iguana wrote: »
    Ok, so I went back and started reading some of the earlier threads. And back on thread two there was a little speculation about the really bad flu that was going around at Christmas with very, very similar symptoms to Covid-19. So out of curiosity I started googling and lots of countries were either reporting an unexpectedly early and large flu surge from December 27-31st 2019 or, like Malaysia denying claims they were experiencing a surge in flu cases.

    If Corononavirus was spreading in China from some point in November but not detected until the last week of January. Is it really so impossible that what was being assumed was a surge in flu cases on December 27th in the UK, Ireland and the US was at least in part an early spread of Covid 19? Were we really having an 'especially severe' flu outbreak in many regions of the world where "An early start to the season has left 2,092 people in England needing treatment for the contagious virus so far in 2019. By comparison, there were just 256 hospital admissions with flu at the same point 12 months ago." Right at the same time as a global pandemic of a virus which presents with flu like symptoms was already underway for several weeks?

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hospitals-breaking-point-after-21172185
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7810129/Flu-cases-EIGHT-TIMES-higher-point-UK-winter.html
    https://www.fox5atlanta.com/video/639365
    https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/12/552217/influenza-infections-still-within-normal-parameters-says-health-dg
    https://time.com/5758953/flu-season-2019-2020/
    While thats a lovely comforting thought (and believe me I *want* that to be true for more reasons than I can explain here).... the numbers dont stack.

    We know this virus spreads exponetially. If this had been active from November, we can assume it would have spread exponentially from then. We could postualate (as you have) that the deaths from the spread would have been masked as flu deaths and we didnt notice the spread.

    The problem with that is three fold.

    1. They test for flu. As it happens my father was very unwell with flu in December, spent the entire xmas and new year in The Bons for it, so I'm very aware of the process for flu. (My sister is also front line clinical pharmacist). They took a sputum sample and tested it for flu, which was positive, then they isolated him for weeks. This test wouldnt have come back positive if it had been covid which is a different beast. This is standard approach for flu so that they can definitely ID it and isolate the patient. In short, they know positively when its flu.

    2. Even suppose the Covid virus somehow tricked that test. We know its trajectory. We know it shows up in 0-14 days from infection, we know it kills within 7 days on average and we know it spreads with an R0 of about 2.5 new infections per person.
    With no social actions, if it had been here in November, it would have spread like wildfire and we would be up to our elbows in dead bodies now.

    3. Through means I dont even pretend to comprehend, there are people tracking its RNA drift and can time line where it came from and where it went to with reasonable accuracy. This is a very good example of that tracking. Press play in the top right hand area: https://nextstrain.org/ncov


  • #8783
    mosii
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭mosii


    As i said previously,multiply what we know by 10 and this is a rough account of how many cases are in Ireland,and growing by 25% per day approx.


  • #8784
    gabeeg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    You can read the WHO's case definition recommendations that we've adopted here
    https://www.who.int/publications-detail/global-surveillance-for-human-infection-with-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)

    I gotta say I'm unimpressed with that document. I mean you wouldn't suggest the half dozen or so countries that have handled the crisis well adopt it.

    From the case definition of a "suspect":

    A patient with acute respiratory illness (fever and at least one sign/symptom of respiratory disease, e.g., cough, shortness of
    breath), AND a history of travel to or residence in a location reporting community transmission of COVID-19 disease during the
    14 days prior to symptom onset;

    Two questions on that -

    1. We know this virus ranges from asymptomatic to full blown pneumonia - so why make it fever AND another symptom?

    2. How is a GP supposed to know if the patient has been in an area with community transmission when that data is not publicly available?


  • #8785
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    What are people's thoughts about doctors getting €30 for this work, there was clarification the other night that it's not the doctors job to tell a patient the results of the test.

    Given the extraordinary times we are in, and the money GP's in the country generally make, you would think they would offer their services for free - like the GP's aren't really risking their lives or the lives of their family - like a nurse or doctor in a hospital would.


  • #8786
    kilkenny31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭kilkenny31


    martingriff wrote: »
    Okay then I grieve for everyone who dies of this virus equally

    It's natural to grieve more for someone who had their whole life in front of them vs someone who's had a long life.


  • #8787
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Wombatman wrote: »
    If large swathes of the population is already have already been infected is there any point in widespread testing? Boffins in Oxford suggest over 50% for Britons have contracted the virus, many already have recovered.

    https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b

    I heard someone theorising on a news channel, (BBC I think), today that the reason that they are having no new local cases in Wuhan is because nearly everyone is already infected, most with no symptoms.


  • #8788
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,713 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    cnocbui wrote: »
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/coronavirus-man-who-licked-goods-21749577

    Wasn't there also the guy on the plane in Dublin who would not get off the phone as they were going to take off who said he was in contact with his mother who had it.


  • #8789
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,340 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Nonoperational wrote: »
    Wonder how much pollution and Co2 this will save? Will it ultimately be significant?

    It'll save a year a year or so. The CO2 will still be up there though. Not much of a silver lining. Not significant.


  • #8790
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    fin12 wrote: »
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8151117/Woman-21-no-pre-existing-conditions-dies-coronavirus-family-reveal-pay-tribute.html

    21 year old no pre existing conditions dies from Coronavirus.

    Believed to have died from the Corona virus. Bit vague.


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  • #8791
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    martingriff wrote: »
    Where did I say that show me. People dies it is very sad that is all we need to know not if they were 15 or 85. Will you grieve more if they are younger!!!
    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    I personally would grieve more for a 15 year old.
    martingriff wrote: »
    Okay then I grieve for everyone who dies of this virus equally

    The only thing I would say there is - the 85 year old would probably be doing everything the government told them to do - where as the 15 year old could be out playing and not giving too hoots about the situation.

    If you think of the first person in Ireland to die from it - an elderly lady who was not in Italy and who did nothing wrong - but somehow got infected due to actions or inactions of others, and indeed for the majority of elderly people that is how they will get it - through others.


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