CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Mezcita · 25-03-2020 05:59PM

gkelly2020 wrote: »

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

More rumours. Yay.

Dotsie~tmp · 25-03-2020 05:59PM

:P

paddythere · 25-03-2020 05:59PM

gkelly2020 wrote: »

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

I believe that tbh. From my experience in Irish hospitals the consultants are a major problem- bad attitude and never around. The nurses, on the other hand, are exceptional.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 05:59PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

It has always been the case that infectious diseases spread more easily where there is a higher population density.
It is also the case that infections spread faster in colder weather simply because people spend more time indoors in close proximity to each other when it’s cold. It’s why seasonal flu is seasonal.
So in some ways the ‘stay at home’ policy may be counterproductive. It might be better to encourage people to spend more time outdoors.

Not if people don’t have the virus. Close proximity doesn’t matter then.

RiseAbove4 · 25-03-2020 06:00PM

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

jackboy · 25-03-2020 06:00PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

They most likely will get them calibrated and use them. That will take a few days. It's very important to have validated and calibrated equipment in a diagnostic laboratory. If machines aren't working correctly there may be false negatives, and people told they are fine and do not have coronavirus. In addition, any INAB accredited labs in Ireland would lose their accreditation of they use non calibrated equipment.

Validation and calibration is fine for a well maintained instrument where it’s history is well known. I would never trust a college instrument to make decisions to save people’s lives. A lot of college instruments are used by students with no proper training and by some who are worse than useless. I have seen expensive college instruments destroyed by idiots doing things without permission.

Can’t see college instruments being used, too much of a gamble.

jim-mcdee · 25-03-2020 06:01PM

Xertz wrote: »

To be quite honest, the vast amounts of beer bottles arriving at those bottle banks would tend to indicate there were a spate of house parties because the pubs are closed. You can be damn sure of it.

We have a huge issue with alcohol and inability to cop on, as do many countries, but I think there was definitely a spate of people being stupid.

There's no way around that and people need to cop on immediately. This stuff isn't some kind of joke or conspiracy to spoil their fun. The fact that we've all had to take these steps, even if they destroy the economy, should be signal enough that it's INCREDIBLY SERIOUS.

On the plus side, the transmission rates do seem to have gone down and the number of contacts people are coming up with have been cut drastically, so the message is clearly getting through in a large way.

I think we need to get the message across more clearly on how social distancing actually works and what it aims to achieve too. There' a lot of mythology going around out there and it's not all coming from Ireland either. The communications elsewhere are terrible.

If you explain it clearly and give people an object to achieve, then it starts to work.

In a lot of the world it seems to be being interpreted as an arbitrary use of lockdown powers, particularly in the way it's being picked up on social media by some in the US.

How do you know transmission rates have gone down? They aren't flipping testing anyone unless you're in a bad way with it.

pH · 25-03-2020 06:02PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

He's a retired nurse AFAIK.

murpho999 · 25-03-2020 06:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

6% has been touted as the figure of positive testing so far.

That figure will likely increase given we have 45% community spread.

But even using that figure out of the 40,000 (which is not the figure anymore it's gone up) we have missed 2,400 positive people or almost double our confirmed cases.

That's a big problem and a huge fúck up.

Our data is at least 9+ days if not more behind, where it should be only 3 days.

So what if testing is 9+ days behind (according to you).

The important thing is the numbers in hospital an ICU and that is relatively low as is the deaths.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve by just pointing out they have made errors etc. Giving criticism is always very easy,

We're in unchartered waters and people are doing their best. There's bound to be errors but a lot of good things are happening.

Hospital beds are ready, private hospitals involved, testing ramping up and wil get there, social distancing being observed by the vast majority despite what people say here, retired doctors and nurses responding.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 06:03PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Rumours some democrats want him to replace Biden as the democratic nominee. Biden's continues to make gaffe's and doesn't look as assuring or as commanding as Cuomo does.

i've heard that as well. he's really impressing folks Stateside with his command of the situation.

25-03-2020 06:04PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

he's a nurse and made it into American TV, listen to him a bit and you'll hear a lot
of shyte, tries to talk learnedly about science beyond his grasp..
he's a self proclaimed influencer really.

25-03-2020 06:04PM

The chief medical is saying there are good signs and that we will not have 15,000 cases by next month.

Deep down I knew we would do better than other European countries.

We are going to be grand.

gkelly2020 · 25-03-2020 06:04PM

Mezcita wrote: »

More rumours. Yay.

I wish it was a rumor, its direct from someone working there im afraid.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 06:05PM

JP100 wrote: »

Please refrain from being idiotic. It wasn't a gripe. It was merely a question as to why they don't have a settled time for the daily announcements as other jurisdictions do. I also care very little for what your preference is on the matter. Nor do I have a preference for a particular time for the announcement. The whole intention of the post was to try to and glean what the thought process would be in, say for example, not just having an announcement at 9pm each evening. Something that quite clearly went over your head.

Excuse me?

And yes, you were griping. Why does it matter if it’s 7:30pm or 8pm or 9pm? How does that actually affect your day?

I’d imagine the thought process is “Let’s only hold the briefing when we have confirmed the figures and anything else we want to add”. Once the information is ready to go, why hold on it until later in the evening? It’s a very minor concern, seriously.

cnocbui · 25-03-2020 06:05PM

Xertz wrote: »

There are a huge issues with that in the states with overuse of diagnostic tests, to the point that the number of CT scans some people were getting was actually dangerous in itself. Where someone might have maybe needed one or two in a lifetime, they were instead getting one ordered every time they presented with random symptoms as the doctors involved would be able cover themselves legally by having the imaging paper trail.

That is entirely the governments fault for not reigning in sue for the moon, years ago.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 06:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The problem is that you could potentially kill somebody who otherwise would have survived if you are not properly trained.

There are people who are dying in Spain and Italy, because there is no ventilator to give them!

We have less ventilators than the european average.

That could be us in a few weeks, if things turn bad here...

saabsaab · 25-03-2020 06:05PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

I find hm very good he was right more than not, so far.
I think he had a doctorate in nursing.
Not a virologist as far as I know.

ChikiChiki · 25-03-2020 06:07PM

mariaalice wrote: »

The chief medical is saying there are good signs and that we will not have 15,000 cases by next month.

Deep down I knew we would do better than other European countries.

We are going to be grand.

We are going to be grand.....

Lets not get in anyway complacent. WHO extremely worried about countries getting confident and relaxing restrictions as they try kick-start economies. Rightly so.

otnomart · 25-03-2020 06:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

Germany only banned it to build up their resources.

They are exporting again.

I don't hold that against Germany, I think it was the most prudent decision they could make.

But for some odd reason if the Irish do it we will be destroyed by some sort consequences down the line.

Germany is also saying No to the "coronabonds" - which the Irish Gov has been calling for
https://www.ft.com/content/258308f6-...f-41bea055720b
https://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2020/...e-coronabonds/

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 06:08PM

rusty cole wrote: »

he's a nurse and made it into American TV, listen to him a bit and you'll hear a lot
of shyte, tries to talk learnedly about science beyond his grasp..
he's a self proclaimed influencer really.

to be honest , from what i've seen of him, he's just gathering daily covid19 news into a digestible 10 to 15 minute daily video, in an understandable format.

he's not peddling "cures" or any conspiracy nonsense.

he's no different to any mainstream news organisation, but with a bit more facts and statistics based on daily reporting coming out of Hopkins, CDC, NHS and other bodies.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 06:08PM

jim-mcdee wrote: »

How do you know transmission rates have gone down? They aren't flipping testing anyone unless you're in a bad way with it.

Well, unless and until we have unlimited testing capacity, that’s going to be the case.

All we can do is work with best estimates based on extrapolation from the number of tests being carried out.

Labs are up scaling and also there’s work going on globally on trying to get availability of rapid test kits which may make this a lot easier but it’s just going to take time. While we don’t have time. It’s still going to take it as it involves actually developing systems and then mass manufacturing them.

Until then we are reliant on lab processing.

25-03-2020 06:08PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

We are going to be grand.....

Lets not get in anyway complacent. WHO extremely worried about countries getting confident and relaxing restrictions as they try kick-start economies. Rightly so.

Of course.

25-03-2020 06:09PM

94% of those tested in Ireland so far have been negative for covid 19.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 06:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

There are people who are dying in Spain and Italy, because there is no ventilator to give them!

We have less ventilators than the european average.

That could be us in a few weeks, if things turn bad here...

Last count I heard we had about 1300 with 90 on order per week.

niallo27 · 25-03-2020 06:11PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

What's he saying.

Mezcita · 25-03-2020 06:11PM

gkelly2020 wrote: »

I wish it was a rumor, its direct from someone working there im afraid.

It's local gossip and is basically insulting to the Consultants around the country who use their many years of experience to try and help people. They are contractually obliged to work various days in each hospital. So they can't just not turn up.

No doubt there is a few useless feckers but the suggestion that 'large numbers' of them acting the maggot during this crisis is mind blowing. Link us up to some proof and I'll take it all back.

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 06:11PM

How does this compare to other pandemics in history in spreading. 450000 in 4 months.

JP100 · 25-03-2020 06:12PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Excuse me?

And yes, you were griping. Why does it matter if it’s 7:30pm or 8pm or 9pm? How does that actually affect your day?

I’d imagine the thought process is “Let’s only hold the briefing when we have confirmed the figures and anything else we want to add”. Once the information is ready to go, why hold on it until later in the evening? It’s a very minor concern, seriously.

It was a simple question but you are now griping over a simple well intentioned question on a discussion forum. I suggest you go for a walk or something to help yourself calm down.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 06:12PM

We probably should be doing (if we aren’t already) at least small scale representative randomised testing to get a sense of how far this is spread.

I mean for example we could just ask people to volunteer for a study or something?

It wouldn’t take up much resources but it could be useful in assessing spread.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 06:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What's he saying.

just daily reports on the pandemic, done in a low tech pen-and-paper way

https://www.youtube.com/user/Campbellteaching/videos

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