CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Jim_Hodge · 25-03-2020 06:46PM

Britain's Foreign Office has said Steven Dick, Deputy Head of Mission at their embassy in Budapest has died after contracting Covid-19.
The 37-year-old diplomat died in Hungary on Tuesday. He had served as Deputy British Ambassador to Hungary since December, according to a biography published on the UK government's website.

ChikiChiki · 25-03-2020 06:47PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I’m officially giving up. People asking is woodies and Smyths open as they want to get balloons and toys for birthdays.

"Is it necessary" is the question people should be asking about every action they take?

Friend who went to Woodies on Saturday for a few garden bits now on the list for testing. Jesus wept.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 06:47PM

JP100 wrote: »

I see today's briefing is due to take place at 7.30pm. I wonder why they haven't one regular time for these announcements but instead have different times pretty much every other day.

Such a thing to gripe about. Every day is different. I’d rather they only do the briefing when they are fully ready to, rather than keep to an arbitrary schedule.

25-03-2020 06:47PM

Xertz wrote: »

To be quite honest, the vast amounts of beer bottles arriving at those bottle banks would tend to indicate there were a spate of house parties because the pubs are closed. You can be damn sure of it.

We have a huge issue with alcohol and inability to cop on, as do many countries, but I think there was definitely a spate of people being stupid.

There's no way around that and people need to cop on immediately. This stuff isn't some kind of joke or conspiracy to spoil their fun. The fact that we've all had to take these steps, even if they destroy the economy, should be signal enough that it's INCREDIBLY SERIOUS.

On the plus side, the transmission rates do seem to have gone down and the number of contacts people are coming up with have been cut drastically, so the message is clearly getting through in a large way.

I think we need to get the message across more clearly on how social distancing actually works and what it aims to achieve too. There' a lot of mythology going around out there and it's not all coming from Ireland either. The communications elsewhere are terrible.

If you explain it clearly and give people an object to achieve, then it starts to work.

In a lot of the world it seems to be being interpreted as an arbitrary use of lockdown powers, particularly in the way it's being picked up on social media by some in the US.

No, you can't be damn sure of it. For example in my house we have 4 lads in their mid twenties house sharing. We had lots of beer last Saturday and played board games, plenty of bottles to go to a bottle bin. You're reading exactly what you want to read into the situation, not the reality.

Most people in the country are adhering to the advice, despite people trying desperately to believe they're not.

OscarMIlde · 25-03-2020 06:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we do have them and now they are not calibrated. Seriously FFS. Why would we not use them. Here's a mad idea. Let's calibrate them and put them to a better use than someone's Phd thesis.

They most likely will get them calibrated and use them. That will take a few days. It's very important to have validated and calibrated equipment in a diagnostic laboratory. If machines aren't working correctly there may be false negatives, and people told they are fine and do not have coronavirus. In addition, any INAB accredited labs in Ireland would lose their accreditation of they use non calibrated equipment.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 06:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have ventilators and they are improperly managed, a patient may die due to the mismanagement of them (due to lack of training). I'm not saying that ventilators aren't essential. I'm just saying that the number of ventilators we have is more than the number of suitably trained health care professionals who are needed to make the equipment work effectively.

I'm sure they'd figure it out if things got really bad here... and they would be very glad that the machines were available in sufficient quantities to make saving people's lives possible!

At least if the machines exist and are there when needed, you can make an attempt at saving someone's life... even if it's a poor attempt. But you can't make any attempt if you don't have enough machines! You have to watch people die without helping them!

Get the requisite amount of machines first... and then work from there on getting people trained up.

take everything · 25-03-2020 06:48PM

One thing i will say is my Irish has improved listening to Nuacht every day for the past week or so.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 06:49PM

AdamD wrote: »

No, you can't be damn sure of it. For example in my house we have 4 lads in their mid twenties house sharing. We had lots of beer last Saturday and played board games, plenty of bottles to go to a bottle bin. You're reading exactly what you want to read into the situation, not the reality.

Most people in the country are adhering to the advice, despite people trying desperately to believe they're not.

I'm reading it from experience of every other Irish situation that I've ever encountered anywhere and from some of the crazy stuff I've seen on my own social media feeds in the earlier days of this crisis.

People didn't have cop on in the first couple of days after pub closure, that's quite clear and it also wasn't just the 'youth'. A lot of them were irresponsible 60+ year olds. I know two who threw house parties and BBQs.

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 06:49PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

Yeah for example the city of Brescia in Italy has around the same population as Cork but around twice the population density. Its much more likely to spread if there are a lot of apartment blocks, people sharing elevators and handrails in stairways etc. That's why I think Ireland is being spared the huge increases in transmission.

saabsaab · 25-03-2020 06:49PM

If health workers are to triage patients there should be a legal protection in place to safeguard them and teh state against any possible future claims. I have said before that A&E's wouldn't have as many on the waiting lists if there wasn't such a fear of being sued.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 06:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

If health workers are to triage patients there should be a legal protection in place to safeguard them and teh state against any possible future claims. I have said before that A&E's wouldn't have as many on the waiting lists if there wasn't such a fear of being sued.

There are a huge issues with that in the states with overuse of diagnostic tests, to the point that the number of CT scans some people were getting was actually dangerous in itself. Where someone might have maybe needed one or two in a lifetime, they were instead getting one ordered every time they presented with random symptoms as the doctors involved would be able cover themselves legally by having the imaging paper trail.

amadangomor · 25-03-2020 06:53PM

jim-mcdee wrote: »

I have had mild symptoms last 5 days that are starting to clear up. Anyone know if it's possible to pay for a test as mine has been cancelled I think. I would like to get back to work if I don't have it and would like to have some idea of I have some immunity. Thanks

You need to self isolate for 14 days after symptoms first appear. Please don't go back to work until then. You could still be very contagious.

gkelly2020 · 25-03-2020 06:54PM

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

igCorcaigh · 25-03-2020 06:55PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When is Italy predicted to reach the peak of their cases?

I'm wondering if there will be a double peak as the cases in the North decrease, but further outbreaks in the South. Hospitals are less equipped there. Cases have increased in Calabria.

25-03-2020 06:55PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'm sure they'd figure it out if things got really bad here... and they would be very glad that the machines were available in sufficient quantities to make saving people's lives possible!

At least if the machines exist and are there when needed, you can make an attempt at saving someone's life... even if it's a poor attempt. But you can't make any attempt if you don't have enough machines! You have to watch people die without helping them!

Get the requisite amount of machines first... and then work from there on getting people trained up.

The problem is that you could potentially kill somebody who otherwise would have survived if you are not properly trained.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 06:55PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

It has always been the case that infectious diseases spread more easily where there is a higher population density.
It is also the case that infections spread faster in colder weather simply because people spend more time indoors in close proximity to each other when it’s cold. It’s why seasonal flu is seasonal.
So in some ways the ‘stay at home’ policy may be counterproductive. It might be better to encourage people to spend more time outdoors.

25-03-2020 06:56PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Was he informed of the lost test? Very bad of HSE

yes they did, said it was lost or an error perhaps. When people have to travel for a test having reported being ill with as defined symptoms like fever and cough, why should they travel. Let's assume somebody feels lousy and has all the symptoms and has to travel to get a test. imagine they live alone and stop to get petrol..that's more chance to transfer right there..

I wonder did Claire Byrne have to Travel and get swabbed!!!

doubt it.

Valhallapt · 25-03-2020 06:57PM

Can we barter ventilators for PPE?

JP100 · 25-03-2020 06:58PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Such a thing to gripe about. Every day is different. I’d rather they only do the briefing when they are fully ready to, rather than keep to an arbitrary schedule.

Please refrain from being idiotic. It wasn't a gripe. It was merely a question as to why they don't have a settled time for the daily announcements as other jurisdictions do. I also care very little for what your preference is on the matter. Nor do I have a preference for a particular time myself for the announcement. The whole intention of the post was to try to and glean what the thought process would be in, say for example, not just having an announcement at 9pm each evening. Something that quite clearly went over your head.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 06:58PM

Does anyone have a link with the current rules regarding outdoor social distancing? I think Leo said gatherings over 4 were not allowed, or was that just for families/people who live together and people who dont live togther cant meet at all?

Mezcita · 25-03-2020 06:59PM

gkelly2020 wrote: »

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

More rumours. Yay.

Dotsie~tmp · 25-03-2020 06:59PM

:P

paddythere · 25-03-2020 06:59PM

gkelly2020 wrote: »

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

I believe that tbh. From my experience in Irish hospitals the consultants are a major problem- bad attitude and never around. The nurses, on the other hand, are exceptional.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 06:59PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

It has always been the case that infectious diseases spread more easily where there is a higher population density.
It is also the case that infections spread faster in colder weather simply because people spend more time indoors in close proximity to each other when it’s cold. It’s why seasonal flu is seasonal.
So in some ways the ‘stay at home’ policy may be counterproductive. It might be better to encourage people to spend more time outdoors.

Not if people don’t have the virus. Close proximity doesn’t matter then.

RiseAbove4 · 25-03-2020 07:00PM

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

jackboy · 25-03-2020 07:00PM

OscarMIlde wrote: »

They most likely will get them calibrated and use them. That will take a few days. It's very important to have validated and calibrated equipment in a diagnostic laboratory. If machines aren't working correctly there may be false negatives, and people told they are fine and do not have coronavirus. In addition, any INAB accredited labs in Ireland would lose their accreditation of they use non calibrated equipment.

Validation and calibration is fine for a well maintained instrument where it’s history is well known. I would never trust a college instrument to make decisions to save people’s lives. A lot of college instruments are used by students with no proper training and by some who are worse than useless. I have seen expensive college instruments destroyed by idiots doing things without permission.

Can’t see college instruments being used, too much of a gamble.

jim-mcdee · 25-03-2020 07:01PM

Xertz wrote: »

To be quite honest, the vast amounts of beer bottles arriving at those bottle banks would tend to indicate there were a spate of house parties because the pubs are closed. You can be damn sure of it.

We have a huge issue with alcohol and inability to cop on, as do many countries, but I think there was definitely a spate of people being stupid.

There's no way around that and people need to cop on immediately. This stuff isn't some kind of joke or conspiracy to spoil their fun. The fact that we've all had to take these steps, even if they destroy the economy, should be signal enough that it's INCREDIBLY SERIOUS.

On the plus side, the transmission rates do seem to have gone down and the number of contacts people are coming up with have been cut drastically, so the message is clearly getting through in a large way.

I think we need to get the message across more clearly on how social distancing actually works and what it aims to achieve too. There' a lot of mythology going around out there and it's not all coming from Ireland either. The communications elsewhere are terrible.

If you explain it clearly and give people an object to achieve, then it starts to work.

In a lot of the world it seems to be being interpreted as an arbitrary use of lockdown powers, particularly in the way it's being picked up on social media by some in the US.

How do you know transmission rates have gone down? They aren't flipping testing anyone unless you're in a bad way with it.

pH · 25-03-2020 07:02PM

RiseAbove4 wrote: »

Playing devil’s advocate here, but;

The John Campbell guy on YouTube who gets at least 100 thousand views a day. Who is he?

Why should he be listened to?

What are his qualifications in all this?

He’s not a virologist is he?

He's a retired nurse AFAIK.

murpho999 · 25-03-2020 07:02PM

Boggles wrote: »

6% has been touted as the figure of positive testing so far.

That figure will likely increase given we have 45% community spread.

But even using that figure out of the 40,000 (which is not the figure anymore it's gone up) we have missed 2,400 positive people or almost double our confirmed cases.

That's a big problem and a huge fúck up.

Our data is at least 9+ days if not more behind, where it should be only 3 days.

So what if testing is 9+ days behind (according to you).

The important thing is the numbers in hospital an ICU and that is relatively low as is the deaths.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve by just pointing out they have made errors etc. Giving criticism is always very easy,

We're in unchartered waters and people are doing their best. There's bound to be errors but a lot of good things are happening.

Hospital beds are ready, private hospitals involved, testing ramping up and wil get there, social distancing being observed by the vast majority despite what people say here, retired doctors and nurses responding.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 07:03PM

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Rumours some democrats want him to replace Biden as the democratic nominee. Biden's continues to make gaffe's and doesn't look as assuring or as commanding as Cuomo does.

i've heard that as well. he's really impressing folks Stateside with his command of the situation.

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