CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 05:40PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Can't read anything into that.

I've a **** load of empty beer cans and bottles, whiskey bottles and coke cans in the garage, all ready for the bottle banks, built up over the last 2 months. I've had not had anyone over to my house since Christmas

Yeah so true. People are so quick to judge other people. Like someone might want to go to Smyths to buy a playsation game for their child so they can get some peace while they work from home. Or go to woodies to buy some paint to pass the time because they've not been out or to see their family or friends for weeks now.
I've done both of these. I've also went for a walk on the beach. But everyone of these things I've kept more than my distance from other people. I've sanatized everything and I've went back home afterwards. I'm so tired of the calling people out when you don't know what precautions people are taking.

cnocbui · 25-03-2020 05:41PM

GM228 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ingridmileyRTE/status/1242866193578569730?s=19

Tuesday, March 03, 2020 - 02:35 PM

The ill-wind of coronavirus has blow a jobs bonanza to a Co. Limerick company.

Due to a worldwide shortage of face masks, even the Chinese are queuing up to purchase masks made by Irema in Kilmallock..

Irema, a wholly-owned Irish company, is busy recruiting new workers as it has to double output over the next week..

Marketing manager, Kieran O'Brien said: "We have a full time workforce of 50 and because of the worldwide demands for face masks we are in the process of adding another 15 as we need to ramp up our operation from 24/5 to 24/7. The last time we had to ramp up was when the Sars virus struck in 2003. "

Irema exports most of its masks internationally to Western Europe and the Middle East,

It also sells a certain percentage of its product to China which is finding it hard to keep up stocks from its own manufacturers.

Mr O'Brien said: "Up to now we would manufacture about 1.3 million masks a week and with demand due to the coronavirus we will need to double output to 2.6 million masks a week.

"We supply the HSE with surgical face masks and also supply many manufacturing companies which need to have a clean room work environment. We make two types of face mask: a surgical and a respirator.

"We make masks for international companies which market them under their brands and we also have our own brand 'Facemate'."

Contrast the Irish governments apparent innaction with the German governments. who's health system is in a vastly better position then the HSE, to start with:

A diplomatic spat has erupted between Germany and neighbors Switzerland and Austria over a decision last week by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government to ban most exports of protective medical equipment.

Switzerland has called in the German ambassador to complain about the decision to block a shipment of 240,000 face masks, while Austria’s economy minister demanded her German counterpart order the release of supplies destined for her country.

The appeals for Germany to be more generous in sharing vital supplies with its neighbors come after it declared an export ban of medical protection gear last week unless for use in aid operations. They also highlight growing tensions among European countries amid a rapidly increasing count of coronavirus cases across the continent.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-09/germany-faces-backlash-from-neighbors-over-mask-export-ban

And India:

NEW DELHI: Indian manufacturers of the N95 respirators masks are in a bind, with the government banning exports in anticipation of an increase in domestic demand due to the coronavirus scare.

There are only two companies in India that manufacture these N95 respirators that have largely been exported for industrial usage to countries in Europe, the Middle East and the US for the last 20-25 years.

Indians are using these as a preventive measure against the virus. But the prospect ..

Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/foreign-trade/exports-ban-ties-hands-of-n95-mask-producers/articleshow/74091865.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

And France:

Countries including Germany, France and the Czech Republic have announced bans on exports of protective gear to avoid shortages at home, measures that go against the spirit of free movement of goods within the EU.

Irish government doesn't mind health workers potentially dying in this country while companies are seemingly allowed to export life saving protective equipment.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 05:41PM

mohawk wrote: »

Why would pharma have loads of PCR machines? They aren’t needed by anyone I have ever worked for.
The university’s research labs have them however they do not maintain, calibrate and validate their equipment the same way as a hospital or industry does.

So we do have them and now they are not calibrated. Seriously FFS. Why would we not use them. Here's a mad idea. Let's calibrate them and put them to a better use than someone's Phd thesis.

Quin_Dub · 25-03-2020 05:42PM

jim-mcdee wrote: »

I have had mild symptoms last 5 days that are starting to clear up. Anyone know if it's possible to pay for a test as mine has been cancelled I think. I would like to get back to work if I don't have it and would like to have some idea of I have some immunity. Thanks

The test won't tell you that - It's just a snap shot in time . Positive/Negative at the time of the test , that's all

It's an antibody test that's required to see if you've had it before and recovered - Don't think they are readily available if at all at this stage.

NasserShammaz · 25-03-2020 05:42PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'll post what I want, its blood boiling, one minute hes looking for nurses personal details, the next hes having a dig at the people trying to move the country through this. What's that jumped up tosser ever done here ?
Get real, the man is on a pure agenda run.

What have I done, as a private citizen I've obeyed the social distancing, I stay home as much as possible, I've made myself available to volunteer groups locally and I've signed up to volunteer to the HSE.

And you?

I agree with you he is a tool , but it's his arrogance that gets me like trump hes just an echo chamber repeating what people actually doing the job are saying and passing it off as his own idea.. I can't help but think hes position himself for some future gain , a smug Steve jobs meets trump . Get off the stage people are doing it stop pointing g at the obvious it's not helping ( anything but his own massive ego )

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 05:42PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

I'll say it again. Population density and the amount of people in a country will come into play here. The potential for growth in countries with a smaller population just isn't there. Our population although more urbanised than in the past still has a large amount of people living in small towns and rural villages. There's a natural social distancing that comes with that.

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 05:42PM

There's probably an argument to build prefab accommodation blocks with individual dressing areas and wash down facilities, or commandeer hotels with ensuits near hospitals and ensure that medical staff have the appropriate facilities to ensure they are able to keep themselves safe and not cross contaminate each other too.

They need breaks and need space to keep themselves safe etc

CitizenFloor · 25-03-2020 05:44PM

jim-mcdee wrote: »

I have had mild symptoms last 5 days that are starting to clear up. Anyone know if it's possible to pay for a test as mine has been cancelled I think. I would like to get back to work if I don't have it and would like to have some idea of I have some immunity. Thanks

Im not sure if Ireland is doing the antibody test, or if its the antigen test. Only the former will tell you if you have immunity, if you are no longer positive for the virus (Disclaimer: This is just my understanding - Not a doctor)

cnocbui · 25-03-2020 05:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have ventilators and they are improperly managed, a patient may die due to the mismanagement of them (due to lack of training). I'm not saying that ventilators aren't essential. I'm just saying that the number of ventilators we have is more than the number of suitably trained health care professionals who are needed to make the equipment work effectively.

Have you seen those radio headsets they use in Lidl/Aldi? I think one respirator expert could supervise at least 3-4 other less well trained personnel by using such equipment.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 05:46PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

Also while I know we've overcrowded accommodation due to the housing crisis the majority of Irish urban housing is fairly spacious suburban individual homes. That's not the case in a lot of the big cities of the world.

When you think of the challenges China faced (and I know China fairly well) - you've dense apartment complexes, shared washing facilities in some cases and by western standards, sanitation isn't great especially things like public toilets etc. It's improved but you can see how big a challenge they had to overcome to contain this.

It just shows in the medium to long term we need to ensure that we see housing as infrastructure, not just a commodity.

I'm not going to get political on this, but it just is something to bear in mind that a lot of our slum clearance projects and all of those improvements were done in the late 19th to mid 20th century with the idea of eliminating TB, polio and other transmissible diseases which spread like wildfire in overcrowded tenement housing.

While it was far worse than modern over crowding, you can see the logic of it now in a pandemic situation.

Jim_Hodge · 25-03-2020 05:46PM

Britain's Foreign Office has said Steven Dick, Deputy Head of Mission at their embassy in Budapest has died after contracting Covid-19.
The 37-year-old diplomat died in Hungary on Tuesday. He had served as Deputy British Ambassador to Hungary since December, according to a biography published on the UK government's website.

ChikiChiki · 25-03-2020 05:47PM

joeguevara wrote: »

I’m officially giving up. People asking is woodies and Smyths open as they want to get balloons and toys for birthdays.

"Is it necessary" is the question people should be asking about every action they take?

Friend who went to Woodies on Saturday for a few garden bits now on the list for testing. Jesus wept.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 05:47PM

JP100 wrote: »

I see today's briefing is due to take place at 7.30pm. I wonder why they haven't one regular time for these announcements but instead have different times pretty much every other day.

Such a thing to gripe about. Every day is different. I’d rather they only do the briefing when they are fully ready to, rather than keep to an arbitrary schedule.

25-03-2020 05:47PM

Xertz wrote: »

To be quite honest, the vast amounts of beer bottles arriving at those bottle banks would tend to indicate there were a spate of house parties because the pubs are closed. You can be damn sure of it.

We have a huge issue with alcohol and inability to cop on, as do many countries, but I think there was definitely a spate of people being stupid.

There's no way around that and people need to cop on immediately. This stuff isn't some kind of joke or conspiracy to spoil their fun. The fact that we've all had to take these steps, even if they destroy the economy, should be signal enough that it's INCREDIBLY SERIOUS.

On the plus side, the transmission rates do seem to have gone down and the number of contacts people are coming up with have been cut drastically, so the message is clearly getting through in a large way.

I think we need to get the message across more clearly on how social distancing actually works and what it aims to achieve too. There' a lot of mythology going around out there and it's not all coming from Ireland either. The communications elsewhere are terrible.

If you explain it clearly and give people an object to achieve, then it starts to work.

In a lot of the world it seems to be being interpreted as an arbitrary use of lockdown powers, particularly in the way it's being picked up on social media by some in the US.

No, you can't be damn sure of it. For example in my house we have 4 lads in their mid twenties house sharing. We had lots of beer last Saturday and played board games, plenty of bottles to go to a bottle bin. You're reading exactly what you want to read into the situation, not the reality.

Most people in the country are adhering to the advice, despite people trying desperately to believe they're not.

OscarMIlde · 25-03-2020 05:48PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

So we do have them and now they are not calibrated. Seriously FFS. Why would we not use them. Here's a mad idea. Let's calibrate them and put them to a better use than someone's Phd thesis.

They most likely will get them calibrated and use them. That will take a few days. It's very important to have validated and calibrated equipment in a diagnostic laboratory. If machines aren't working correctly there may be false negatives, and people told they are fine and do not have coronavirus. In addition, any INAB accredited labs in Ireland would lose their accreditation of they use non calibrated equipment.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 05:48PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have ventilators and they are improperly managed, a patient may die due to the mismanagement of them (due to lack of training). I'm not saying that ventilators aren't essential. I'm just saying that the number of ventilators we have is more than the number of suitably trained health care professionals who are needed to make the equipment work effectively.

I'm sure they'd figure it out if things got really bad here... and they would be very glad that the machines were available in sufficient quantities to make saving people's lives possible!

At least if the machines exist and are there when needed, you can make an attempt at saving someone's life... even if it's a poor attempt. But you can't make any attempt if you don't have enough machines! You have to watch people die without helping them!

Get the requisite amount of machines first... and then work from there on getting people trained up.

take everything · 25-03-2020 05:48PM

One thing i will say is my Irish has improved listening to Nuacht every day for the past week or so.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 05:49PM

AdamD wrote: »

No, you can't be damn sure of it. For example in my house we have 4 lads in their mid twenties house sharing. We had lots of beer last Saturday and played board games, plenty of bottles to go to a bottle bin. You're reading exactly what you want to read into the situation, not the reality.

Most people in the country are adhering to the advice, despite people trying desperately to believe they're not.

I'm reading it from experience of every other Irish situation that I've ever encountered anywhere and from some of the crazy stuff I've seen on my own social media feeds in the earlier days of this crisis.

People didn't have cop on in the first couple of days after pub closure, that's quite clear and it also wasn't just the 'youth'. A lot of them were irresponsible 60+ year olds. I know two who threw house parties and BBQs.

kilkenny31 · 25-03-2020 05:49PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

Yeah for example the city of Brescia in Italy has around the same population as Cork but around twice the population density. Its much more likely to spread if there are a lot of apartment blocks, people sharing elevators and handrails in stairways etc. That's why I think Ireland is being spared the huge increases in transmission.

saabsaab · 25-03-2020 05:49PM

If health workers are to triage patients there should be a legal protection in place to safeguard them and teh state against any possible future claims. I have said before that A&E's wouldn't have as many on the waiting lists if there wasn't such a fear of being sued.

Xertz · 25-03-2020 05:52PM

saabsaab wrote: »

If health workers are to triage patients there should be a legal protection in place to safeguard them and teh state against any possible future claims. I have said before that A&E's wouldn't have as many on the waiting lists if there wasn't such a fear of being sued.

There are a huge issues with that in the states with overuse of diagnostic tests, to the point that the number of CT scans some people were getting was actually dangerous in itself. Where someone might have maybe needed one or two in a lifetime, they were instead getting one ordered every time they presented with random symptoms as the doctors involved would be able cover themselves legally by having the imaging paper trail.

amadangomor · 25-03-2020 05:53PM

jim-mcdee wrote: »

I have had mild symptoms last 5 days that are starting to clear up. Anyone know if it's possible to pay for a test as mine has been cancelled I think. I would like to get back to work if I don't have it and would like to have some idea of I have some immunity. Thanks

You need to self isolate for 14 days after symptoms first appear. Please don't go back to work until then. You could still be very contagious.

gkelly2020 · 25-03-2020 05:54PM

Heard from a very reliable source earlier this week of disgusting behavior in a large midlands hospital.

Large numbers of consultants not turning up for work not ill just avoiding the hospital.
Staying at home or locking themselves into their offices when they do come in.
Unwilling to work weekends agree to be accessible by phone only.
Applying for 2-3 days off for next few weeks.
Blocking off key departments Xray etc with chairs.

Truly shocking behavior when others are trying their best.

igCorcaigh · 25-03-2020 05:55PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

When is Italy predicted to reach the peak of their cases?

I'm wondering if there will be a double peak as the cases in the North decrease, but further outbreaks in the South. Hospitals are less equipped there. Cases have increased in Calabria.

25-03-2020 05:55PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

I'm sure they'd figure it out if things got really bad here... and they would be very glad that the machines were available in sufficient quantities to make saving people's lives possible!

At least if the machines exist and are there when needed, you can make an attempt at saving someone's life... even if it's a poor attempt. But you can't make any attempt if you don't have enough machines! You have to watch people die without helping them!

Get the requisite amount of machines first... and then work from there on getting people trained up.

The problem is that you could potentially kill somebody who otherwise would have survived if you are not properly trained.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 05:55PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Absolutely. Population density is key, IMO. I knew that the Netherlands and UK had much higher population densities than us but I’ve learned that many other European countries do too.

It has always been the case that infectious diseases spread more easily where there is a higher population density.
It is also the case that infections spread faster in colder weather simply because people spend more time indoors in close proximity to each other when it’s cold. It’s why seasonal flu is seasonal.
So in some ways the ‘stay at home’ policy may be counterproductive. It might be better to encourage people to spend more time outdoors.

25-03-2020 05:56PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Was he informed of the lost test? Very bad of HSE

yes they did, said it was lost or an error perhaps. When people have to travel for a test having reported being ill with as defined symptoms like fever and cough, why should they travel. Let's assume somebody feels lousy and has all the symptoms and has to travel to get a test. imagine they live alone and stop to get petrol..that's more chance to transfer right there..

I wonder did Claire Byrne have to Travel and get swabbed!!!

doubt it.

Valhallapt · 25-03-2020 05:57PM

Can we barter ventilators for PPE?

JP100 · 25-03-2020 05:58PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Such a thing to gripe about. Every day is different. I’d rather they only do the briefing when they are fully ready to, rather than keep to an arbitrary schedule.

Please refrain from being idiotic. It wasn't a gripe. It was merely a question as to why they don't have a settled time for the daily announcements as other jurisdictions do. I also care very little for what your preference is on the matter. Nor do I have a preference for a particular time myself for the announcement. The whole intention of the post was to try to and glean what the thought process would be in, say for example, not just having an announcement at 9pm each evening. Something that quite clearly went over your head.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 05:58PM

Does anyone have a link with the current rules regarding outdoor social distancing? I think Leo said gatherings over 4 were not allowed, or was that just for families/people who live together and people who dont live togther cant meet at all?

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