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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,530 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    I get what you are saying but just don’t subscribe. I’ve been dealing with cancer for five years and I can be an unbelievable moper and go through serious bouts of hopelessness. I have seen so many way more positive people go to their graves over the last five years. I just hate the thought that their mental strength is in any way questioned when I know that some of them put me to shame, attitude-wise.

    My father was strong willed and positive up until the end, I believe it definitely gave him more time( they said he would be dead last March- he lasted till February of this year), but unfortunately positivity has its limits as you say.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bekker wrote: »
    What is the purpose of the testing programme, both original and as modified and modified?

    If it is ,

    to evaluate the extent of penetration of the virus then statistically valid, repeated randomised testing of the population the best answer.

    to identify and rapidly treat those who are displaying symptoms of serious reaction then fast GP triaging, fast testing and fast processing.

    to test the cohort who are statistically most vulnerable then selection by existing medical record is the best answer, but to test 400,000+?

    to reassure the population then the present strategy seems to be effective, but meaningless as a strategy for any of the above.

    This a repost from yesterday but when I came on today it appears the testing issue has resurfaced, interestingly nobody here seems to discern any objective for the testing other than the last one.

    Testing health workers and in hospital patients is a separate issue and being handle by the new in-house hospital.

    It ensures that scarce testing resources are focused on those most likely to have COVID19 or who have come in contact with those who have it. As capacity increases it can be revisited, but wasting tests on people with the sniffles, who in all likelyhood will test negative, while others with fever and respiratory symptoms or confirmed close contacts have to wait is madness


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Blaze420 wrote:
    Anyone indulging in this disgusting practice needs their jaw broken at the least, ****ing scum. Couldn’t care less what age you are or if your filthy girlfriend is with you, do this around me and I’ll kill the both of ye where ye stand.

    This is going to lead to serious assaults and possibly people being killed. People are under huge stress both trying to steer clear of the virus and financially. Somebody is going to lose it if somebody coughs in their face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Xertz wrote: »
    I’m still amazed at how generally poor the PPE is in all the hospitals I’m seeing around the world. It’s fairly clear we never had protocols in place for any kind of mass pandemic anywhere in the developed world. If we did there would have been a stock of proper biohazard suits for frontline staff. The type you would see in a virology or similar laboratory setting. They’re comfortable to wear, safe and so on.

    We’re going to have to redesign all of that gear starting immediately. Hopefully it is being mass manufactured somewhere.

    Also if we’ve any clothing industries left, could they help? It must be possible to supply them with patterns and appropriate raw materials to make disposable suits. Although, I don’t think we have many clothing factories other than probably relative low volume high end stuff.

    O'Neils sporting wear have re-purposed their factory to make gowns for medical industry.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,566 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Loss of taste and smell widely being reported as symptoms as well

    That's good, because I've stocked up on a lot of pot noodles for this crisis!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭xabi


    Varadkar revising the 15,000 down to 6,000

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1242808758184677378?s=21


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    eagle eye wrote: »
    This is going to lead to serious assaults and possibly people being killed. People are under huge stress both trying to steer clear of the virus and financially. Somebody is going to lose it if somebody coughs in their face.

    Darwinism at its finest - people engaging in this don’t realise the time we are in now. Stay away from people and if you think you are funny you might be very surprised at the reaction you get - hopefully along with some brain damage to teach you a ****ing lesson about common decency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Isn't it curious that a lad that bots all over the SF threads with his pro-Shinner warblings would have a problem with the Govt response to the Corona issue.
    This isn't a political thread. I'm sick reading crap like this with childish point scoring.
    Just ignore anything you don't like and move on rather than coming back at somebody for no good reason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    FVP3 wrote: »
    No it hasn't. Deaths are low.

    You've been trolling this thread with your insane panic, much of which lacks an understanding of what is going on, and what Ireland is attempting to do.

    The only people trolling this thread are those that continuously ignore the warning signs about how it went wrong in other countries and feed it with incorrect, misleading or nonsense.

    You are one of the main protagonists. Claiming that we were following the South Korean model.

    Its not panic. Its highlighting that we are meant to be controlling the spread, so that our health care system can treat those affadted over the next while, so it doesn't get unmanageable to the extent of Italy and Spain and other countries that have (had) state of the art health systems.

    Meanwhile we have abandoned a symptomatic community of 40k when just under half of our transmissions are at community level and caused much confusion and stress.

    Deaths rates will only remain low, if our health system does not become overwhelmed to the extent that we are triaging. Of course if we are not testing we cannot contain the spread so we are heading down the wrong road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,846 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If they don't have the resources, they need to prioritize any resources they do have.
    A militant lockdown would be another way of maximizing resources.

    We have 7000 ish serving members of the defence forces. They can't lock down a single city never mind the entire country. We require that the good will of the population is maintained and that people observe the restrictions through social pressure rather than strict enforcement by the security services

    The Defence forces and reserves and Civil defence would be much more useful in a supporting role, transporting essential equipment and personel, distributing food and medical supplies to people who cannot leave their homes, and to places like nursing homes and high dependency units

    Ban billionaires



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Did anyone see Neil Ferguson I think of UCL and one of the people who was worried about this from very early on speaking to a parliament committee in London earlier? He's had corona himself and think he said the peak could be over by Easter (could) and that the NHS should be able to muddle through nationally if not always locally (not his exact words). As someone who outlined the seriously of this when some accused those doing so of scaremongering, I hope to god he's right. Yes it's bad, yes it will get worse, but we all need some light at the end of the tunnel. Anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Well if people doing the "corona challenge" get killed it wouldn't be much loss. Feral thicks like that are of no use to society and only cause problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Coyote wrote: »
    No Change in number
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    Slow Change
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    Big Drop in numbers
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    again with all of this i'm just trying to show people the 14 day delay in an change in how we deal with this
    if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late
    everyone has to make up there own mind but at least look at the maths

    3 weeks no change 42K
    3 weeks slow change 23K
    3 weeks big drop 9K

    1 month no change 241K
    1 month slow change 56K
    1 month big drop 11K

    you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now

    Probably one of the more important posts on this thread.

    How many ICU places do we currently have?


  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm not questioning the current strategy, I don't have a better plan. I'm questioning your blithe assumption that it's going to turn things around within a short space of time.

    Once more. I didn't say or even suggest that.

    The virus is with us for the long term. That's a given. The economy will not be shut down, nor will most people be stopped from working after a month or so. The lockdown or distancing is there to give the government time to prepare an environment for society to work in.. and for people to adjust to that new environment... while the virus remains with us.

    Stop questioning me with things that I didn't say. It's the second time you've done so, and it's rather ignorant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,074 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    eagle eye wrote: »
    This is going to lead to serious assaults and possibly people being killed. People are under huge stress both trying to steer clear of the virus and financially. Somebody is going to lose it if somebody coughs in their face.

    I wonder how coughing on someone purposely would go down with the Gardai, is it a form of assault?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    So you are suggesting we just test at random rather than identify suspect cases?

    What, exactly, is random about a patient being triaged by their GP and put forward for a test?? They aren't picking fcuking people off the street.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,426 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    xabi wrote: »
    Varadkar revising the 15,000 down to 6,000

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1242808758184677378?s=21

    It's possible to come in well under 6000 as well : any daily drop in increases could decrease the overall figure significantly by next Tuesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭Snipp


    gmisk wrote: »
    No test for me apparently because of new HSE guidelines i.e I don't have a temp.
    But I have pain everytime I breathe, sore throat, headache, aches and pains all over. Plus I have had pneunonia before.

    But I have been told the whole household has to self isolate for 2 weeks. Given sick cert for 2 weeks. Cal an ambulance if I get any worse.

    Oh and they made sure to take my card details as soon as possible after anyway.

    Why do you need a test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,590 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    kowloon wrote: »
    I wonder how coughing on someone purposely would go down with the Gardai, is it a form of assault?

    Certainly should be in these times and any response to it classified as self-defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Coyote


    Probably one of the more important posts on this thread.

    How many ICU places do we currently have?

    open to been corrected i think we had 350 and added 25-50 more
    that's just from memory, i think the number was 6.5 per 100K


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    That's good, because I've stocked up on a lot of pot noodles for this crisis!

    if the virus doesn't kill you they will


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    kowloon wrote: »
    I wonder how coughing on someone purposely would go down with the Gardai, is it a form of assault?

    I'd say more likely Section 6 public order offence. Threatening, abusive, insulting behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/simon-harris-corona-challenge-5057119-Mar2020/

    Anyone indulging in this disgusting practice needs their jaw broken at the least, ****ing scum. Couldn’t care less what age you are or if your filthy girlfriend is with you, do this around me and I’ll kill the both of ye where ye stand.

    Was just about to post this. So infuriating. Anyone that does this needs a state sanctioned hiding to nowhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,764 ✭✭✭storker


    kowloon wrote: »
    I wonder how coughing on someone purposely would go down with the Gardai, is it a form of assault?

    I look forward to someone coughing on the wrong person and getting a good kicking for it, and the guards announcing that they will not consider such retaliation to constitute an assault.

    Unlikely I know, but one can hope...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Certainly should be in these times and any response to it classified as self-defence.

    I’d argue it’s attempted murder at this time - attempting to pass a virus that might result in death. The people it doing it should be dealt with as such, first on the spot and then by the courts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I don’t have any faith in China’s published death rate.
    Millions must be dead in China!

    A large drop in Chinese mobile accounts ~21M between Nov. '19 and Feb. '20 compared to growth in numbers for 2018-19.
    Reported by China MIIT.

    Evidence of Chinese cover-up?

    Maybe, but it coincides with new MIIT regulations allowing users to transfer provider and bring their numbers with them.

    All information needs to be evaluated in context, and not just on basis of MSNBC type headlines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,360 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    xabi wrote: »
    Varadkar revising the 15,000 down to 6,000

    That's a combination of A. People being good but sadly B. Not testing.

    ICU and hospital admissions are the only real reliable figures from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    I see that Prince Charles is self isolating with Covid-19 while Prince Andrew is self isolating with Lucy-15.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    If they cough on someone deliberately and that person ends up dead, is it manslaughter or murder?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Strazdas wrote: »
    It's possible to come in well under 6000 as well : any daily drop in increases could decrease the overall figure significantly by next Tuesday.

    Surely though, isnt one of the main reasons why the figure is low is because nearly 40,000 people are still waiting to get tested.

    Just playing Devils advocate. We address this and I think we will see a more accurate figure.

    I think the next 5-10 days are huge and will indicate exactly where we are going with this virus but early indications are positive.


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