CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:07PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

Youth arrested in Dungarvan for deliberately coughing at Gardai , who were breaking up a gathering of 100 "youths"

( RTE radio 1)

Another youth was arrested in Dun Laoghaire for the same offense.

They should be severely punished and/or beaten. No excuse at a time of war.

dougm1970 · 25-03-2020 01:08PM

take everything wrote: »

Glad to hear he's recovered.
Has self-isolation for him been successful in stopping the spread to his family if you don't mind me asking.

they seem ok.....stressed out...but not symptoms....they were very strict with the instructions given that he could not leave his bedroom though.

TTLF · 25-03-2020 01:08PM

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1242800009256611841

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 01:08PM

The government here and governments elsewhere never seem to get ahead of covid19.

Look at Ireland, they always wait until the case numbers look bad before doing anything, by which time its too late. Same in the UK. This was the Italian approach too. Wait until case numbers explode and then initiate lockdowns and travel bans.

Its a pity we couldn't try for once to do stuff before numbers explode. Even in the US, some states have ordered those coming from NYC to isolate. Here though we don't do that.

bilston · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

Sky reporting that a 21 year old woman with no underlying health conditions has died in England of Covid 19.

iwillyeah1234 · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

They should be severely punished and/or beaten. No excuse at a time of war.

There's going to be a more extensive report on this on RTE Radio 1 , news at one, in the next half hour or so. "Coughing" assaults on Gardai on the rise.

take everything · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

Pdoghue wrote: »

Just watching PM questions in the House of Commons, just finished. At the end, they all, including Bojo just filed past the speaker, not 2 metres apart at all!! Some example to be setting..

I can't understand this at all.
And the Trump press conferences. All huddled together. Is it just breathtaking (sorry..) hubris.
Or do they have some elite immunity (half-joking)

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

take everything wrote: »

LMAO
Stranger things have happened in this mad world.

I really can't think of anything stranger or more absurd.

Maybe the Americans did it to take out two of their enemies, China and Iran ( both hit worst at the start)..

I don't believe that either but the argument to who benefits ( cui bono?) is a flawed one.

johnnyskeleton · 25-03-2020 01:10PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1240371160078000128

The comments on this are fantastic.

Without condoning their behavior, I do feel a bit sorry for people of that age. You're only 18-21 once in your life, and the best part of that is the Spring/Summer each year. This generation of them is being told to stay at home for one, possibly two of their three carefree college spring/summertimes.

I also thought, again without condoning, the comments of the two African-Americans to be very interesting. The lady from New Orleans was making the point that life in her city has been devastated for the last 15 years so she is approaching danger and natural disasters from a much lower bar than everyone else. The man made the point that probably resonates with a lot of African-Americans and indeed all working class Americans - that they have to deal with hunger, poverty and lack of healthcare on a daily basis and it's ignored.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

Insurance scumbags.

https://twitter.com/HealthRegLawyer/status/1242792582264098817?s=20

bilston · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

the South Korean model is to test extensively - testing people with "symptoms" is NOT the South Korea strategy. At all.

I think they are testing everyone in Iceland. They can do it because the population is pretty small. Once done, it should give us an idea of the spread of this virus.

Edit - just read that they've had to slow the testing due to a shortage of swabs, but the evidence so far suggests 1% of the population have the virus.

Put that into Ireland terms and you're talking about 50,000 people could have it.

I am me123 · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

Hi all,

In light of yesterday's government announcement, are all schools, colleges, businesses,etc. that are closed up until next Sunday, 29th March, now closed for a longer period until April 12th?

Thank you.

Thelonious Monk · 25-03-2020 01:12PM

I just heard on the radio that up to 100 youths had to be broken up in Donnycarney, down the road from me, last night. Also teens have been arrested for spitting at Garda and people in Waterford and Dun Laoighaire.
I really hope the Garda beat the absolute living f*ck out of them. They should also be banned from hospitals for life.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:12PM

bilston wrote: »

Sky reporting that a 21 year old woman with no underlying health conditions has died in England of Covid 19.

That is awful but its important to remember that no known conditions doesnt necessarily mean she had no underlying conditions. Many young people throughout the world have for example genetic heart defects that they are never made aware of until it results in a heart attack, rare but not unheard of at all. Im sure most of us know of or heard of a young person dying suddenly from heart attacks

JDD · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

I don't think the government's policy is for us all to stay indoors forever either. They're just trying to avoid the initial surge while the health system is still in transition - and every extra day will provide additional resources, beds, staff, doctors etc. Also every further day we can reduce the number of infections in the next three months will allow further research into the virus, with better treatments, and better experienced health workers.

We may be able to loosen restrictions in June or July. At that point there will be thousands who had have the virus and have recovered. They will be able to go back to work, or indeed may be able to assist with the contact tracing. We are probably hoping that warmer weather will destroy the virus somewhat, and we can go back to opening cafes and restaurants and shops, with social distancing still encouraged. Those who work from home will probably continue to do so. The real catch will be whether childcare facilities will be allowed to reopen. I guess that will depend on the rate of infections at that stage.

Coyote · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

No Change in number

Slow Change

Big Drop in numbers

again with all of this i'm just trying to show people the 14 day delay in an change in how we deal with this
if you wait till we are overloaded it's too late
everyone has to make up there own mind but at least look at the maths

3 weeks no change 42K
3 weeks slow change 23K
3 weeks big drop 9K

1 month no change 241K
1 month slow change 56K
1 month big drop 11K

you need to decide what you do today to affect 3 weeks from now

25-03-2020 01:13PM

easypazz wrote: »

Its not cancer. Even if you test positive you will probably be told to take paracetamol and isolate.

In the highly unlikely event your symptoms become more serious your GP may send you to hospital.

My GP is virtually impossible to contact, you can be days waiting for a response as they are snowed under, also have a secretary who is not best at communications as English is not her first language, always misinterpreting things. He’s great when you actually get talking to him, but a hard man to get a hold of, and the retired colleague who has returned for the crisis has always been somebody I (and other patients) avoided for good reason.

I had been abroad in a poor African country last week when I had really bad breathing issues, but unable to get medical help there. I was lucky that these mainly abated, and all I’m left with is mild fever, lethargy & chest tightness. Another in my group had similar symptoms. I eventually did get onto GP’s colleague and listed on Monday, but there’s no way I’m making the effort to re-list even though I have an underlying heart issue etc. If I got into those breathing difficulty again it is not my doctor I will try to consult, but I will be on to 112.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

the South Korean model is to test extensively - testing people with "symptoms" is NOT the South Korea strategy. At all.

They already have a system in place that can do 15000 tests daily plus people keep ignoring the huge cluster from that church. 94% of those tested are negative, that to me is a waste of resources or as Holohan called it "casting too wide a net". Up to 20000 a day are being booked for tests. So we are rebooting and testing those who will most likely develop symptoms. That gives you contacts as well, now down to about 5 per case.

25-03-2020 01:15PM

iwillyeah1234 wrote: »

the South Korean model is to test extensively - testing people with "symptoms" is NOT the South Korea strategy. At all.

South Korea have tested about 0.7% of their population. How do you think they decided who made up that 0.7% and who was in the 99.3% of people who haven't been tested?

For the record we have tested about 0.35% of our population but we're also 1-2 weeks behind South Korea in terms of the number of cases taking off.

Jizique · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

I am me123 wrote: »

Hi all,

In light of yesterday's government announcement, are all schools, colleges, businesses,etc. that are closed up until next Sunday, 29th March, now closed for a longer period until April 12th?

Thank you.

They will be closed longer than that - end of easter hols is April 20 but will be surprised if they open before June

bilston · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

wakka12 wrote: »

That is awful but its important to remember that no known conditions doesnt necessarily mean she had no underlying conditions. Many young people throughout the world have for example genetic heart defects that they are never made aware of until it results in a heart attack, rare but not unheard of at all. Im sure most of us know of or heard of a young person dying suddenly from heart attacks

Totally agree.

It's still a warning to young people that they aren't invincible and as you say many young people may have underlying issues and not know.

TTLF · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

All closed until April 19th.

(Sunday before Easter break finishes)

Strazdas · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

I am me123 wrote: »

Hi all,

In light of yesterday's government announcement, are all schools, colleges, businesses,etc. that are closed up until next Sunday, 29th March, now closed for a longer period until April 12th?

Thank you.

Sunday, April 19th in fact

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I love the language.. halting the spread of the virus... where did I suggest that we could stop the spread of the virus? :rolleyes:

Okay well slowing the spread to anywhere near the point where it would be sage to start opening things up again like in some Asian countries

TheW1zard · 25-03-2020 01:16PM

Im still in the office and could work from home, are my employers breaking the law?

Hobgoblin11 · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I just heard on the radio that up to 100 youths had to be broken up in Donnycarney, down the road from me, last night. Also teens have been arrested for spitting at Garda and people in Waterford and Dun Laoighaire.
I really hope the Garda beat the absolute living f*ck out of them. They should also be banned from hospitals for life.

we are not equipped to deal with disorderly teens during this crisis

walshb · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

High probability restrictions extended past April 19?

gmisk · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

No test for me apparently because of new HSE guidelines i.e I don't have a temp.
But I have pain everytime I breathe, sore throat, headache, aches and pains all over. Plus I have had pneunonia before.

But I have been told the whole household has to self isolate for 2 weeks. Given sick cert for 2 weeks. Cal an ambulance if I get any worse.

Oh and they made sure to take my card details as soon as possible after anyway.

Snow Garden · 25-03-2020 01:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Insurance scumbags.

https://twitter.com/HealthRegLawyer/status/1242792582264098817?s=20

Is this true?

25-03-2020 01:18PM

STB. wrote: »

Hammer journalists, to ask probing questions and get some action. If there are not enough state labs, then the biochemical companies should be asked, and god knows there is enough of them in Ireland.

Varadkar is telling people we are following the South Korea model. We are doing nothing of the sort.

We don't have the facilities to test the 40k that have accumulated over the last 11-12 days. And they sat on their hands and let that stagnate. As a result people havent a clue whats going on and we dont have a firm grip on our actual contagion, the whole purpose of which was to avoid the spread of the virus, so as to not overwhelm our hospitals.

We have now abandoned the 40,000 that were showing symptoms and they wont be tested at all, because someone sat on their hands and let it get to that level. Why ? Is there not enough kits or not enough lab facilities, or both ? This needs to a transparent process.

45% of our cases are from community transmission and we have now switched to test criteria that doesn't test for community transmission.

You couldn't make it up.

I have been involved in tracing work contacts of those sent for test in a large multinational. From what I have seen, anyone with so much as a sniffle or tickle in the throat were being submitted for testing by some GP's. This has overwhelmed the system and resulted in us now amending guidelines to match WHO guidelines to ensure those who are most likely to have COVID-19 are tested and traced as soon as is practicable. From numbers I have seen we have completed approaching 20,000 tests compared to c3000,000 in South Korea. Given their population is 11 times ours, and the outbreak started in Korea well before us, we are not doing too badly proportionately.
There is no way it is possible for a country of less than 5 million to mobilise resources quickly enough to test the same numbers as a country of 50 million people overnight as some here seen to think is possible. Its not like a home pregnancy test. We need people to take samples, transport, prepare reagents, process testing and analyse and report results, as well as required equipment. Do you think this just sits around waiting for someone to use?
The updated guidelines were needed to ensure those most likely to be infected, were being tested in the absence of capacity to test every single citizen.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP