Dark side of the ring

I have ton of respect for Jericho and Chavo for taking care of David in this situation.

The Von Erichs is a bigger tragedy for me and seeing what happened that family.

I should say Vice are also doing an after show (Afterdark) about the episodes with additional scenes.



Chavo & Dreamer discuss the episodes with a host for 20 minutes.

Davy05 wrote: »

I don't mean this to sound cruel but is David Benoit on the spectrum? He comes across as a nice lad but something also seems a lil off with him.

More than likely.

However who knows what kind of Psychological damage he suffered.

Just finished the second part of the Benoit episode and Jesus h Christ it's 13 years ago but watching the clips of the tribute show it might as well have been yesterday because I watched the Benoit tribute live as it was during the summer.

It's good to see His son and sister in law connecting again because both of them are blameless for what happened and are a victim just like Nancy and Daniel Benoit except they are alive.

Say what you want about Chris Jericho and some of his weird opinions on stuff but he's a good guy clearly. Also, dean malenko outkicked his coverage.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Next weeks episode is on New Jack.

Mass transit incident here we come then. New jack was nuts and liable to do anything but in that specific incident I don't blame him and neither did the jury in the case brought against him and ecw as he lied about his age but asking new jack of all people to cut you is mental.

The people making this series were on Jim cornettes podcast and owen harts episode will feature his wife and two kids which must be a first.

That was a very hard watch was close to tears on the Eddie bit as I absolutely loved him but the 2nd episode really rams home the truth of the whole situation just so hard on poor David and the families left behind

Heres links to both parts, delete if not allowed

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sv1pc

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7sxfyk

Was there a thread here for Benoits death which have up to date reaction to it all ?

There was/is always ways to get around the Wellness Program within the WWE even to this day.

Haven't watched part 2 yet, but do they say why they did the tribute show?
It happened at the weekend and if I remember correctly some seemed to know the details at least.

And what was with Perry being ignored?

CastorTroy wrote: »

Haven't watched part 2 yet, but do they say why they did the tribute show?
It happened at the weekend and if I remember correctly some seemed to know the details at least.

And what was with Perry being ignored?

JR talks about them doing it because they couldn't not do something but they hadn't the full details of what had happened.

Well Chavo guerrero and Scott Armstrong got text messages from Benoits phone about the address and the dogs.

Perry Saturn ? I hadn't even thought about him until you mentioned his name. Didn't he go missing for a while a few years back ?

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Did you watch the episode ?

Think just wondering what "outkicked his coverage" means. I've never heard the term.
Malenko is still WWE, isn't he? Didn't realise he had Parkinson's.

As for the wellness policy, I was thinking Jericho would've said if it wasn't adequate since he doesn't work there anymore. But then realised there's a difference between taking digs on AEW and criticising the system. Wouldn't want to burn those bridges too badly and may have people looking at him and friends that are currently still in WWE.

I wonder if they were to ever put Nancy into the HoF, which is unlikely, would her family allow it or would it be similar to Owen as we saw her sister's reaction to WWE sending a rep to the funeral

ThePott wrote: »

He does, it was pretty evident watching the documentary but he's also talked about it quite openly.

https://www.ringsidenews.com/2019/08/31/dean-malenko-reveals-he-suffers-from-parkinsons-disease/

I meant he didn't say it during the documentary.

ThePott wrote: »

God that was a tough watch but absolutely compelling. Probably the most definitive telling of the story there could or probably should ever be. Your heart really does break for David, I know people have had issues with his takes on his father but the kid has gone through the unimaginable. Happy to see Nancy's sister and him got to reconnect too.

I also want to echo the question someone else had because I'm not entirely sure. The consistently use WWE footage in all their episodes and I'm not sure how they're allowed to. I've tried looking it up before and they mention they get lots of raw footage from wrestling companies meaning it hasn't been edited hence the grainier look I'm assuming but I don't entirely understand why that would make things more acceptable from a legal standpoint. I have a loose idea of the copyright argument surrounding raw footage, can anyone shed a better light on this?

Not my response taken from
https://blog.frame.io/2017/08/30/copyrights-and-fair-use-for-filmmakers/

According to the U.S. Copyright Office, Fair Use is “a legal doctrine that promotes freedom of expression by permitting the unlicensed use of copyright-protected works in certain circumstances. Section 107 of the Copyright Act provides the statutory framework for determining whether something is a fair use and identifies certain types of uses—such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research—as examples of activities that may qualify as fair use. Section 107 calls for consideration of the following four factors in evaluating a question of fair use:

Purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes

Nature of the copyrighted work (using parts of something more creative in nature, like a movie or book, has a weaker “fair use” argument than news footage or a technical article).

Amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole (i.e. do you really need 3 whole minutes of “Avengers: Age of Ultron” in that video essay about superhero movies? Or will 3 seconds do?)

Effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work (will the use hurt the original copyright holder’s ability to make money from the work that was copied?).

matthewmurdock wrote: »

That got to me big time. Feel for David so much. What a horrible tragedy.

Yeah that part was emotional. He really is an innocent bystander in it and wwe should not of treated him the way they did. It's a bit odd all the same that benoit never texted/called David during his breakdown that led to the tragedy

Does anyone think JR knows much more about the wwe blank situation then he makes out ??

Did Chris Benoit also have a daughter or am I mixing up Eddie Guerrero who had a daughter after he left vicky ?

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah that part was emotional. He really is an innocent bystander in it and wwe should not of treated him the way they did. It's a bit odd all the same that benoit never texted/called David during his breakdown that led to the tragedy

Does anyone think JR knows much more about the wwe blank situation then he makes out ??

Did Chris Benoit also have a daughter or am I mixing up Eddie Guerrero who had a daughter after he left vicky ?

i think he had a daughter always thought he had 2 before daniel

sky88 wrote: »

i think he had a daughter always thought he had 2 before daniel

Ye I am pretty sure David has a sister from Benoit's first marriage.

764dak wrote: »

What should they have done?

Acknowledged Chris had died on that RAW and said it is a shock to everyone at the company and then held off for a week and done a tribute show on the following RAW maybe.