CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

kowloon · 25-03-2020 01:47PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

You're in for a shock when you go out shopping.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:47PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not engaging in the blame game. If you read my posts. I have an issue when I'm told everything is grand and it is clearly not.

I believe there is a massive problem and telling people it's going to be grand won't suffice. When you have respiratory consultants calling out for PPE. We have a problem.

With every post you seem to minimise / deflect / and distract from the route cause of the problem.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Everyone knows PPE is a problem. It's a worldwide problem we aren't the only ones with this issue.

We have had a massive advantage in terms of lead time for what's arriving at these shores. We had an advantage.

People did not know it was a fvcking problem. Since this morning all I faced was **** chat around "where's. your source", paddy cbsgrave is an arsehole etc.

I'm not concerned globally anymore. I'm concerned locally. You should too.
A journalist should ask the question and ask it in a way that they can't slither out of.

"How many day's PPE do we have for our medical staff?"
"Do staff have adequent PPE?"
"How many frontline staff have been infected in a healthcare setting?"
"What is the government doing to rectify the situation?"
"Do we have the ability to produce locally?"

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 01:48PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

In about 45 days

But of course that's just known cases. The virus will spread much quicker than we can ever count.

On the upside, 100% of people are unlikely to get it.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 01:48PM

In the UK context, Wales seems disproportionately affected - five more deaths today, for 22 in all, in a country with a population of just over 3 million:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-live-news-covid-19-pmqs-boris-johnson-parliament-to-close-early-for-easter-recess?page=with:block-5e7b49598f08af215f6fae28#block-5e7b49598f08af215f6fae28

easypazz · 25-03-2020 01:49PM

adox wrote: »

So with the new WHO guidelines a lot of people waiting for a test will now not be tested and those with similar symptoms in future won’t be tested either.

Firstly that must be worrying for those who have been waiting on a test. They could easily fall through the net.

Secondly, I presume this will hugely shrink te waiting list and see it grow at a very modest rate short term.

As a layman it seems strange to change the criteria seeing as lots of people have been diagnosed with only mild symptoms, no temperature etc.

We won’t really get anything near an accurate idea of the amount of the population infected.

Its not cancer. Even if you test positive you will probably be told to take paracetamol and isolate.

In the highly unlikely event your symptoms become more serious your GP may send you to hospital.

NasserShammaz · 25-03-2020 01:49PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

No you don't have to......

crossman47 · 25-03-2020 01:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

Thats a very good summary of where we are and why we can't have immediate gearing up to test everyone. We don't and couldn't have the capacity, especially those who read the swabs.

25-03-2020 01:50PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

That make sense . So we are looking at a one tier health system for at least the next 18 months

I've no idea, but I doubt it.

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 01:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

Only because they appear to have contained the spread of the virus.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 01:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We have had a massive advantage in terms of lead time for what's arriving at these shores. We had an advantage.

People did not know it was a fvcking problem. Since this morning all I faced was **** chat around "where's. your source", paddy cbsgrave is an arsehole etc.

I'm not concerned globally anymore. I'm concerned locally. You should too.
A journalist should ask the question and ask it in a way that they can't slither out of.
"How many day's PPE do we have for our medical staff?"

"Do staff have adequent PPE?"

"How many frontline staff have been infected in a healthcare setting?"

"What is the government doing to rectify the situation?"

"Do we have the ability to produce locally?"

ok, so lets say there is a shortage there. What are we going to do about it here, on the internet?

Not much.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 01:51PM

sirmanga wrote: »

Might be a stupid question/thought, but I wonder how many people who get a positive test result experience a worsening of their symptoms? By that I mean would confirmation of having this big scary virus cause certain people to freak out and "give up" and the stress bring about a worsening of symptoms?
Would not knowing for certain be better for some people in the long run?
I once worked with a guy who found out during a check up that he had cancer, apparently he had it for about a year and he never knew, and he was dead about 2 weeks after he found out. It was like the very idea of having it killed him quicker than the cancer. I'll never forget it.

No, the cancer killed him. A fast-moving cancer. It happens. A year isn't very long so that shows how aggressive it was. Most people have it in their body for years. The idea that people have control over things like that needs to die in a fire. Otherwise cancer patients will have to continue to field inane sentiments like "Be positive!" (Is that an order?) on top of everything else they're coping with.

Strumms · 25-03-2020 01:51PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Personally id be happy to be know of a generation where the economy fell apart if it means we are not remember of the generation who sat by and done nothing as our parents and grand parents died alone in hospital beds,

Same, though In post Celtic Tiger Ireland there are scores of people whom having read that, it won’t just compute... making money and ‘success’ are the be all. If a ‘few casualties’ happen to fall by the wayside, it’s business, so what... they’d prefer scores of dead as opposed to a year of flat balance sheets.

Steve F · 25-03-2020 01:52PM

gabeeg wrote: »

In about 45 days

But of course that's just known cases. The virus will spread much quicker than we can ever count.

On the upside, 100% of people are unlikely to get it.

What??

25-03-2020 01:53PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Thats a very good summary of where we are and why we can't have immediate gearing up to test everyone. We don't and couldn't have the capacity, especially those who read the swabs.

It'll improve. China is already sending out heaps of testing kits to other countries. I wouldn't be too surprised if the shortage in testing kits is resolved within a month or two.

kalkat2002 · 25-03-2020 01:53PM

So all this started in China and now all tests,masks,etc are being buy to them...what a business !!

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:54PM

FVP3 wrote: »

ok, so lets say there is a shortage there. What are we going to do about it here, on the internet?

Not much.

Also I believe the same was said about

the parade being cancelled
schools being shut
insufficient testing
pubs being closed
government support for those laid off

List goes on.

Call out the people saying it's not a problem. When they'll be the ones begging for a doctor to treat them. Raise awareness.

take everything · 25-03-2020 01:55PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

Just put 1.2 to the power of however many days from now.
Then multiply that by the current figure.

It gets crazy after about 4 weeks if it continues at a steady 20% a day.

If it continues at a 20% increase for 6 weeks it's nearly half the population of Ireland.

That's why it's critical to get that 20% figure down far less than it is.

Snow Garden · 25-03-2020 01:56PM

It will be bright until at least 8pm after March 29th.

Naggdefy · 25-03-2020 01:56PM

Good citizens among all age groups and those not adhering to measures are from all age groups.

This morning shopping i had a middle aged builder who was behind me in the queue, coughing on my neck. A lady of 75+decided to wheel a trolley up beside me and started to talk about the restrictions!

Regarding teenagers, there's a cohort who really talk the talk but don't no what it takes to walk the walk. Last autumn one Late Late Show audience was comprised of pontificating teens. Most of whom were driven up from all parts of the country. I remember one saying, with great pride, how she walked to school one day a week. I thought to myself FFS we walked to school every day of the week a generation ago. They really don't realise how big these challenges are.

25-03-2020 01:56PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Only because they appear to have contained the spread of the virus.

Well, yes. By locking down areas. And by enforcing social distancing in others.

People have adjusted to the new reality. Hand washing, masks, etc. They'll reactivate their economy because they have no choice. None of us do. However, they waited until people were caught up on how to behave within this new environment. As others have said, the virus is not going away. it will spread again.. but they now have a better chance to manage any spread.

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 01:56PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Thats a very good summary of where we are and why we can't have immediate gearing up to test everyone. We don't and couldn't have the capacity, especially those who read the swabs.

Other countries have managed to do it. It's vital to keep pressure off the front line.

Iceland for instance have done more tests than we have, despite having a fraction of our population.
And they're still ramping up their capacity to test more.

lawred2 · 25-03-2020 01:59PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

It will be bright until at least 8pm after March 29th.

And?

JRant · 25-03-2020 01:59PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Reopening the country before time will result in the hospitals being overwhelmed which will result in the deaths of 10's, 100's, or maybe even 1000's per day. Do you not get that?

Oh I get that alright. What I don't get is the argument that we can just shut everything down for 18 months and hope it goes away. That's the cure that kills the patient. As the WHO have been saying from very early, a widespread testing program with contact tracing is a very effective measure in controlling this from spreading massively. You don't get everyone to stay indoors and hope for the best.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 01:59PM

Wow almost 250,000 confirmed cases in Europe now, almost entirely in Western Europe. That is a very high concentration of cases

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 01:59PM

fr336 wrote: »

My mum has had worrying symptoms since yesterday - infrequent cough that she only usually has when taking asthma inhaler, phlegm, minor vomiting to get this up, stomach pain. But importantly she doesn't have a constant cough, her temperature seems fine today, and she's actually improved since yesterday as she is now up and about. Is this one of those viruses that can go from good to bad and back again or would it only get worse? One of her friends has had the same kind of thing for 2 weeks and it wasn't coronavirus so hoping its that?

Its possible to get better and worse. The major symptom is persistent cough whereas your mother has an infrequent cough. If she gets this symptom and one other symptom then she needs to call her GP. She should also look out for loss of taste or smell.

Has she been potentially in contact with a covid 19 case recently? Is she taking precautions around wearing disposable gloves, washing hands, hand sanitizer, etc.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 01:59PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

If symptoms are mild, why the need for a test. Surely following WHO guidelines is enough and it'll pass. What does a positive result change?

To avoid a lockdown permanently we need to know who has it, who hasn't it and who had it.

If that is not yet W.H.O. guidelines it will be. Korea seemed to manage.

take everything · 25-03-2020 02:00PM

lawred2 wrote: »

And?

I think his point is people's frustration will just increase.

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 02:00PM

lawred2 wrote: »

And?

And it will be brighter for a little longer every day until near the end of June when the earth starts going back on it's tilt.

STB. · 25-03-2020 02:00PM

FVP3 wrote: »

ok, so lets say there is a shortage there. What are we going to do about it here, on the internet?

Not much.

Hammer journalists, to ask probing questions and get some action. If there are not enough state labs, then the biochemical companies should be asked, and god knows there is enough of them in Ireland.

Varadkar is telling people we are following the South Korea model. We are doing nothing of the sort.

We don't have the facilities to test the 40k that have accumulated over the last 11-12 days. And they sat on their hands and let that stagnate. As a result people havent a clue whats going on and we dont have a firm grip on our actual contagion, the whole purpose of which was to avoid the spread of the virus, so as to not overwhelm our hospitals.

We have now abandoned the 40,000 that were showing symptoms and they wont be tested at all, because someone sat on their hands and let it get to that level. Why ? Is there not enough kits or not enough lab facilities, or both ? This needs to a transparent process.

45% of our cases are from community transmission and we have now switched to test criteria that doesn't test for community transmission.

You couldn't make it up.

JRant wrote: »

As the WHO have been saying from very early, a widespread testing program with contact tracing is a very effective measure in controlling this from spreading massively. You don't get everyone to stay indoors and hope for the best.

Yeah, that seems to be a problem, right now, so we need to contain people as aresult.

dougm1970 · 25-03-2020 02:00PM

that nephew of mine....the 16 yr old.....who was very sick last week, but nearly fully recovered now....he got sick 10 days ago and was waiting all last week for a test, was told every day they would try and get to him next day.....dunno if theres any point at all now, is there ?

bit of background....he was extremely sick, couldnt get out of bed to shower for 3 days of it...fever (39.1)...persistent dry cough, headache, sick stomach...his face was so swollen and red...hes very fit, does boxing and football, and never sick, fit as a hare with no weight on him...and its the fact that he has those symptoms on that week...he had to self-isolate until next week, not just to the house, but to his bedroom only.
family are all on isolation...my wife getting their shopping etc and leaving at their gate.

anyway...my question is...is testing him at this stage worthwhile at all ?

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