CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

25-03-2020 12:42PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

This is precisely the problem. And it’s not just for a month or two., it could be a year or two.
That is why the current ‘lockdowns’ across the world are unsustainable in the longer term. At some point things are going to get out of control in a public order and industrial relations sense. Workers in the very labour intensive food industry, for instance, will down tools at some point because they won’t want to be in the ‘firing line’.
There is no prospect that this virus is going to be contained anytime soon and a vaccine is still at least a year away. Does anyone seriously believe that a lockdown can be maintained for that length of time. I don’t!

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

josip · 25-03-2020 12:43PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

There might be a higher concentration of the posts you're looking for in the other corona threads in the forum.

fr336 · 25-03-2020 12:43PM

My mum has had worrying symptoms since yesterday - infrequent cough that she only usually has when taking asthma inhaler, phlegm, minor vomiting to get this up, stomach pain. But importantly she doesn't have a constant cough, her temperature seems fine today, and she's actually improved since yesterday as she is now up and about. Is this one of those viruses that can go from good to bad and back again or would it only get worse? One of her friends has had the same kind of thing for 2 weeks and it wasn't coronavirus so hoping its that?

expectationlost · 25-03-2020 12:44PM

fr336 wrote: »

My mum has had worrying symptoms since yesterday - infrequent cough that she only usually has when taking asthma inhaler, phlegm, minor vomiting to get this up, stomach pain. But importantly she doesn't have a constant cough, her temperature seems fine today, and she's actually improved since yesterday as she is now up and about. Is this one of those viruses that can go from good to bad and back again or would it only get worse? One of her friends has had the same kind of thing for 2 weeks and it wasn't coronavirus so hoping its that?

ring your doctor...

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 12:44PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The new approach is aimed at identifying more positives. They only have about 6%, which suggests that a huge number of people currently booked for tests may not have it either.

The downside for people who have tested negative is that they are still susceptible to infection with Covid-19.
If the infection is widespread in the community, testing becomes less useful. It would be better to just concentrate resources on those who are actually seriously ill.

Daemonic · 25-03-2020 12:45PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

About May 9th

DOCARCH · 25-03-2020 12:45PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

Not sure Boards is the right place for you. :P

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 12:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

That make sense . So we are looking at a one tier health system for at least the next 18 months

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:47PM

Portugal really blowing up now, 635 new cases this morning
Totalling 3000 now and deaths up to 43 now

expectationlost · 25-03-2020 12:47PM

is there no breakdown between those who thought they had symptoms and got test and those who are contacts with covid or even those with symptons of it... surely that would show how many were worried unnessecarily

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 12:47PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I'm not engaging in the blame game. If you read my posts. I have an issue when I'm told everything is grand and it is clearly not.

I believe there is a massive problem and telling people it's going to be grand won't suffice. When you have respiratory consultants calling out for PPE. We have a problem.

With every post you seem to minimise / deflect / and distract from the route cause of the problem.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Everyone knows PPE is a problem. It's a worldwide problem we aren't the only ones with this issue.

We have had a massive advantage in terms of lead time for what's arriving at these shores. We had an advantage.

People did not know it was a fvcking problem. Since this morning all I faced was **** chat around "where's. your source", paddy cbsgrave is an arsehole etc.

I'm not concerned globally anymore. I'm concerned locally. You should too.
A journalist should ask the question and ask it in a way that they can't slither out of.

"How many day's PPE do we have for our medical staff?"
"Do staff have adequent PPE?"
"How many frontline staff have been infected in a healthcare setting?"
"What is the government doing to rectify the situation?"
"Do we have the ability to produce locally?"

kowloon · 25-03-2020 12:47PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

You're in for a shock when you go out shopping.

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 12:48PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

In about 45 days

But of course that's just known cases. The virus will spread much quicker than we can ever count.

On the upside, 100% of people are unlikely to get it.

An Ciarraioch · 25-03-2020 12:48PM

In the UK context, Wales seems disproportionately affected - five more deaths today, for 22 in all, in a country with a population of just over 3 million:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-live-news-covid-19-pmqs-boris-johnson-parliament-to-close-early-for-easter-recess?page=with:block-5e7b49598f08af215f6fae28#block-5e7b49598f08af215f6fae28

easypazz · 25-03-2020 12:49PM

adox wrote: »

So with the new WHO guidelines a lot of people waiting for a test will now not be tested and those with similar symptoms in future won’t be tested either.

Firstly that must be worrying for those who have been waiting on a test. They could easily fall through the net.

Secondly, I presume this will hugely shrink te waiting list and see it grow at a very modest rate short term.

As a layman it seems strange to change the criteria seeing as lots of people have been diagnosed with only mild symptoms, no temperature etc.

We won’t really get anything near an accurate idea of the amount of the population infected.

Its not cancer. Even if you test positive you will probably be told to take paracetamol and isolate.

In the highly unlikely event your symptoms become more serious your GP may send you to hospital.

NasserShammaz · 25-03-2020 12:49PM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Jesus you'd have to wade through some amount of shyte on this thread. It's just not worth it to get to the balanced an intelligent posts. It'd give ya a headache!

No you don't have to......

crossman47 · 25-03-2020 12:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

The idea is to shutdown so that the authorities can get a handle on the situation. Get staff trained up on virus management. Stock up on the resources (masks, rebreathers etc) needed to manage the existence of the virus within the main population.. and as has been said many times, so that the hospitals can manage the inflow of patients both for testing and treatment. To put in place, new accepted ways of behavior and have people become accustomed to them, before opening the country up again.

The point is that most people will be encouraged back into active society after a month or so. Precautions will be in place. People will (hopefully) know about personal hygiene/care, and be aware of social distancing to reduce the risks. Companies will likely put in different zones of operations, with dividing screens in place to separate people. There are likely to be dozens, if not, hundreds of ways brought in to reduce the spread of the virus... but governments need time to plan and implement them.

That's why the lockdowns or distancing are important. To give them time to prepare for what's coming next. The resistance to such measures simply encourages an environment where there aren't the facilities/services to allow people to get back to work..

Thats a very good summary of where we are and why we can't have immediate gearing up to test everyone. We don't and couldn't have the capacity, especially those who read the swabs.

25-03-2020 12:50PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

That make sense . So we are looking at a one tier health system for at least the next 18 months

I've no idea, but I doubt it.

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This. The current lockdowns across the world are not meant to be for the longer term. There's no real expectation of shutting down countries long term but people seem to love to focus on that scenario. China is already reactivating it's economy. S.Korea will likely follow suit pretty soon.

Only because they appear to have contained the spread of the virus.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We have had a massive advantage in terms of lead time for what's arriving at these shores. We had an advantage.

People did not know it was a fvcking problem. Since this morning all I faced was **** chat around "where's. your source", paddy cbsgrave is an arsehole etc.

I'm not concerned globally anymore. I'm concerned locally. You should too.
A journalist should ask the question and ask it in a way that they can't slither out of.
"How many day's PPE do we have for our medical staff?"

"Do staff have adequent PPE?"

"How many frontline staff have been infected in a healthcare setting?"

"What is the government doing to rectify the situation?"

"Do we have the ability to produce locally?"

ok, so lets say there is a shortage there. What are we going to do about it here, on the internet?

Not much.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

sirmanga wrote: »

Might be a stupid question/thought, but I wonder how many people who get a positive test result experience a worsening of their symptoms? By that I mean would confirmation of having this big scary virus cause certain people to freak out and "give up" and the stress bring about a worsening of symptoms?
Would not knowing for certain be better for some people in the long run?
I once worked with a guy who found out during a check up that he had cancer, apparently he had it for about a year and he never knew, and he was dead about 2 weeks after he found out. It was like the very idea of having it killed him quicker than the cancer. I'll never forget it.

No, the cancer killed him. A fast-moving cancer. It happens. A year isn't very long so that shows how aggressive it was. Most people have it in their body for years. The idea that people have control over things like that needs to die in a fire. Otherwise cancer patients will have to continue to field inane sentiments like "Be positive!" (Is that an order?) on top of everything else they're coping with.

Strumms · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Personally id be happy to be know of a generation where the economy fell apart if it means we are not remember of the generation who sat by and done nothing as our parents and grand parents died alone in hospital beds,

Same, though In post Celtic Tiger Ireland there are scores of people whom having read that, it won’t just compute... making money and ‘success’ are the be all. If a ‘few casualties’ happen to fall by the wayside, it’s business, so what... they’d prefer scores of dead as opposed to a year of flat balance sheets.

Steve F · 25-03-2020 12:52PM

gabeeg wrote: »

In about 45 days

But of course that's just known cases. The virus will spread much quicker than we can ever count.

On the upside, 100% of people are unlikely to get it.

What??

25-03-2020 12:53PM

crossman47 wrote: »

Thats a very good summary of where we are and why we can't have immediate gearing up to test everyone. We don't and couldn't have the capacity, especially those who read the swabs.

It'll improve. China is already sending out heaps of testing kits to other countries. I wouldn't be too surprised if the shortage in testing kits is resolved within a month or two.

kalkat2002 · 25-03-2020 12:53PM

So all this started in China and now all tests,masks,etc are being buy to them...what a business !!

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 12:54PM

FVP3 wrote: »

ok, so lets say there is a shortage there. What are we going to do about it here, on the internet?

Not much.

Also I believe the same was said about

the parade being cancelled
schools being shut
insufficient testing
pubs being closed
government support for those laid off

List goes on.

Call out the people saying it's not a problem. When they'll be the ones begging for a doctor to treat them. Raise awareness.

take everything · 25-03-2020 12:55PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Can anyone good at maths work out if our cases increase by 20% a day at that rate how many weeks before the entire population would be infected ?

Just put 1.2 to the power of however many days from now.
Then multiply that by the current figure.

It gets crazy after about 4 weeks if it continues at a steady 20% a day.

If it continues at a 20% increase for 6 weeks it's nearly half the population of Ireland.

That's why it's critical to get that 20% figure down far less than it is.

Snow Garden · 25-03-2020 12:56PM

It will be bright until at least 8pm after March 29th.

Naggdefy · 25-03-2020 12:56PM

Good citizens among all age groups and those not adhering to measures are from all age groups.

This morning shopping i had a middle aged builder who was behind me in the queue, coughing on my neck. A lady of 75+decided to wheel a trolley up beside me and started to talk about the restrictions!

Regarding teenagers, there's a cohort who really talk the talk but don't no what it takes to walk the walk. Last autumn one Late Late Show audience was comprised of pontificating teens. Most of whom were driven up from all parts of the country. I remember one saying, with great pride, how she walked to school one day a week. I thought to myself FFS we walked to school every day of the week a generation ago. They really don't realise how big these challenges are.

25-03-2020 12:56PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Only because they appear to have contained the spread of the virus.

Well, yes. By locking down areas. And by enforcing social distancing in others.

People have adjusted to the new reality. Hand washing, masks, etc. They'll reactivate their economy because they have no choice. None of us do. However, they waited until people were caught up on how to behave within this new environment. As others have said, the virus is not going away. it will spread again.. but they now have a better chance to manage any spread.

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