CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Tacitus Kilgore · 25-03-2020 01:06PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It's not about Greta. It's about teenage activism and the sincerity of it. Teenagers were being lauded by the media for their social conscience while others pointed out that most were there for the day out.

We have seen from the young people response to a current rather than imminent threat that they do not have the social conscience we were told they had. We can see with our own eyes the gatherings of teenagers and the lack of regard they have for this virus spreading in the community. In truth they are just as selfish as those they chastised for stealing their future since that have no problem stealing the future from older and/or vulnerable people.

If course this isn't news to a lot of people. Anyone with half a brain knew these protests were more about the day out that any real belief on climate action.

My replies are about Greta. Waffle on about teenagers all you like man.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:06PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

It's odd because you want it to be odd, your bias is reflecting in your opinion.

I didn't even reply to you in anyways, you're actually the one jumping to your own defence when not even attacked - why did you feel attacked by my reply to another poster? Why's this about you?

whats this go to do with the virus exacty

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:07PM

GM228 wrote: »

Clarification on weather the new case definitions were WHO or DoH mandated, this may not go down well as it appears the requirements is now WHO case definitions and priority groups which has been determined by the DoH it seems, not the WHO:-

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1242762914647457794?s=19

To be fair its proper order those with priority get tested.
We've people clogging up the system who have no need for a test. As they keep saying regardless of if your sick with covid or not, ultimately it's not the test that matters in the end. Its that you self isolate to stop any spread. That's the big thing, the test result wont alter the treatment unless your at high risk or in need of hospitalization.

If you feel like you need medical treatment then of course all the emergency services or your GP if possible.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:07PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

The plan is to keep a spike of cases down as much as possible so the hospital's can cope with numbers , After the first big surge spike the number will drop and hospital's will be able to cope with numbers,

By the time it gets to 70% or so of the population it will be spread far less frequently and it'll be back to normal with the odd person here and there needing treatment like the current flu but a little worse,

Not the most detailed explanation but that the ins and outs of it really ,

Akabusi · 25-03-2020 01:07PM

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 01:07PM

Scotty # wrote: »

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

The only other option is to reopen the country and let nature take it's course. This seems to be what Trump wants to do.

Grand . Ill proceed to lose my marbles

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

The next stage will be more restrictions, up to and including that final don't go out notice some people have wanted for weeks. They don't want to nor expect to get to that point. In any case it's only properly enforceable for 4-6 weeks. As for time limits watch what countries further down the line on this do. I think that 3 month limit is not a bad one to see us out of this.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

silverharp wrote: »

The US are doing the same, its clear there will be a shortage of medical consumables. Take it as being proactive

So the HSE has proactively ran out of equipment?

That's a good one.

They either have enough or they don't.

Their very life is at stake. I don't think it's appropriate for a country with a GDP the size of ours to ask doctors and nurses to risk their lives and not give them a fighting chance.

Disgrace. If there are places in Limerick manufacturing it. Should be prioritised for our workers. Germany did the same thing. Charity starts at home.

cloudatlas · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

snoopboggybog wrote: »

I'm a bit worried. So say we isolate for three months and everything goes back to normal what happens if a major outbreak starts happening again? Do we all self isolate again?

Its a bit worrying that no vaccine has been produced after nearly three months. To get the amount needed for the over 60's and people with underlying medical conditions could take a long long time for the entire world. I'm no medical expert but could it be a few years before the vaccine is readily available if one ever is?

I just want this to end.

It’s likely that this will come in waves and that it would be prudent for things to stay as they are now for longer than 3 months. Everyone says a vaccine will take a year. We’re in this for the long haul at least we need that mindset not the Donald Trump 3 weeks

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 01:09PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Grand . Ill proceed to lose my marbles

If it's any consolation, you won't be alone.

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:10PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

€30 per referral, if your waiting for a test now and dont have a date for a test, if you contact the gp and you meet the new casw definition then they refer you on then yes they'll get €30 again from my reading of it.

That was answered in last nights press conference, no tests have had those issues.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:10PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The plan is to keep a spike of cases down as much as possible so the hospital's can cope with numbers , After the first big surge spike the number will drop and hospital's will be able to cope with numbers,

By the time it gets to 70% or so of the population it will be spread far less frequently and it'll be back to normal with the odd person here and there needing treatment like the current flu but a little worse,

Not the most detailed explanation but that the ins and outs of it really ,

to get to 70% thats about 160k ICU cases on the island, how long do we think this will take

that's the scary part

Loafing Oaf · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

Scotty # wrote: »

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

Or effective medication, which looks like the only potential short-term answer, however long the odds...

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Don't our health experts tell us that masks etc don't protect you from the virus, they only help to stop you giving it to someone...? So only sick people should wear a mask, to protect the healthy people.

By that logic, only the patients should be wearing PPE... to protect the doctors and nurses!

Clearly the Asians think differently, and their medics suit up like they are going into a nuclear reactor!

Probably explains why all their citizens wear face masks out on the streets too... they seem to have a bit more cop on than many people here in the west!

We need our medical staff to be protected because they are essential workers.

Everyone else should stay the f*ck home and then no need for a mask, especially if you aren't trained to wear one and end up infecting themselves by handling it the wrong way, which they will.

Leave the limited supply of medical masks to our health workers.

We're not China, we don't have the ability to mass produce masks.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 01:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

BTW wearing a mask as a patient when you are experiencing breathing issues is simply not possible.

Of course it's not... agreed.

I was just stating it, to drive home the flawed logic that is being put out there, by so-called "experts" in this country!

Our medics desperately need PPE, like masks etc... to keep themselves safe from this dangerous virus.

Yet a healthy person wearing a mask out on the street, is pointless apparently... because it doesn't protect you from the virus. Only sick people should wear them, to protect healthy people! :rolleyes:

Seriously, we could learn a lot from many Asian countries in how they tackle these situations. They have quite a bit more common sense and logical thinking!

Jinglejangle69 · 25-03-2020 01:12PM

What's the story with all these people in Oz asking for a plane to bring them home?

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:12PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Some questions that will need answering.

Are the GPs getting a referral fee?

Have they collected any such referral fee for tests that are now not going to be done?

How many tests have been ruined (if any) by the length of time between the swabs being taken and the analysis being completed?

Someone mentioned a €30 fee per patient, paid by the State. They are only a day or two behind on tests sent for analysis.

Rob A. Bank · 25-03-2020 01:12PM

A very good page from the Financial Times showing graphic representations of how the pandemic is progressing in various countries and regions.

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

I don't like Ireland's trajectory one little bit !

MrMusician18 · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

citysights wrote: »

Look to be fair we shouldn’t be laying all the blame on teenagers. Look at the Cheltenham crowd, all the people getting ice cream in Dun laoighre at weekend, people out on walks, in parks, on beaches, cars parked in rows with people going to these places. Those were not teenagers driving those cars.

All morons too.The Cheltenham banter army who don't have a braincell between them to be honest I didn't expect anything more. Another cohort which have a large number that seemingly think they're exceptional are parents - those with small children having them mixing in parks and playgrounds and those with teenagers refusing to parent them and keep them in.

But the two above groups haven't recently been lauded for having a social conscience that was going to save the world. That was teens themselves. But as we have now seen, there was no real conviction behind it. Also illustrated by the number of schools that seem to go on ski trips to northern Italy. How does that sit with climate action?

The climate strikes were a day out. Nothing more. And that's a shame. It means it will wither and fall away when its not the fashionable cause to be behind, like African famine, or debt relief or Kony.

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

The contrast in leadership between China and the EU is remarkable. The Chinese took time to react but when they did, they declared war on this, locking down and shutting down all transport in and out of Hubei province.
The EU did nothing when it was clear Northern Italy was the epicentre in Europe.

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

to get to 70% thats about 160k ICU cases on the island, how long do we think this will take

that's the scary part

no idea to be honest ,

Corkgirl20 · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is the root of the problem.

Will there be a surge again if everything is opened back up and people go back to normal routine?

Do the benefits of opening up outweigh the risks?

No one seems to have an answer to that yet (except Trump who wants everything back to normal by Easter).

A vaccine is the only long term solution.

I would assume they’ll reopen slowly just like they closed slowly.

For example clothes shops will start to open then a while later hair dressers while all trying to maintain social distancing and see how it goes and slowly start to reopen the schools etc.

I really do hope the schools don’t open too early with a lot of children having mild symptoms that will cause massive spreading.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:13PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Of course it's not... agreed.

I was just stating it, to drive home the flawed logic that is being put out there, by so-called "experts" in this country!

Our medics desperately need PPE, like masks etc... to keep themselves safe from this dangerous virus.

Yet a healthy person wearing a mask out on the street, is pointless apparently... because it doesn't protect you from the virus. Only sick people should wear them, to protect healthy people! :rolleyes:

Seriously, we could learn a lot from many Asian countries in how they tackle these situations. They have quite a bit more common sense and logical thinking!

The kind of logical thinking that gets you this or say the hantavirus

JRant · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

Scotty # wrote: »

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

The only other option is to reopen the country and let nature take it's course. This seems to be what Trump wants to do.

How can we maintain this shutdown for 12-18 months?
Christ schools children alone would be at a huge disadvantage if it was to carry-on for that length of time. What happens with all the self-employed people? Just tell them to sit on the dole for 18 months.

It's not a real world solution and anyone peddling it needs their head examined. Even 12-18 weeks would be a tough one but probably just about manageable, although the cost to the country will be astronomical even at that.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

What's the story with all these people in Oz asking for a plane to bring them home?

They want to come back to help. Aer Lingus can swing by when it's getting the PPE stuff on Sunday!

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Problem is, if they are unable to bring it under control everywhere at the same time it could be never-ending. If the North starts getting better and the South becomes bad at the same time, then the South could contaminate the North again so if they want to avoid that they are in for another month or 2 of country-wide travel bans and lockdowns :-/

This is precisely the problem. And it’s not just for a month or two., it could be a year or two.
That is why the current ‘lockdowns’ across the world are unsustainable in the longer term. At some point things are going to get out of control in a public order and industrial relations sense. Workers in the very labour intensive food industry, for instance, will down tools at some point because they won’t want to be in the ‘firing line’.
There is no prospect that this virus is going to be contained anytime soon and a vaccine is still at least a year away. Does anyone seriously believe that a lockdown can be maintained for that length of time. I don’t!

stephenjmcd · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

to get to 70% thats about 160k ICU cases on the island, how long do we think this will take

that's the scary part

Nobody says it will actually get to 70% of the population.

Thats an extreme worst case scenario. Even at that 80% or more wouldn't require hospital admission

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:14PM

Naos wrote: »

To the posters that are saying the amount of test results we are producing is pathetic, what is your solution?

Bearing in mind that there is only a finite amount of testing that can be done in the labs and that you need people who are actually qualified to conduct these tests (normally requiring 5+ years of education).

So if your solution is more labs or more lab technicians then that's fine but please provide details as to how we would achieve that in the 2-3 month timespan since this virus has been known or speculated to be as impactful as it has been.

Look across the water.....

Army moves in: Military seize testing machines from private laboratories for urgent coronavirus checks on NHS staff

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html

PokeHerKing · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Quote from Dr David Zaruk, environmental-health risk analyst and professor based in Brussels. He has worked in risk management and science communications for industry, public institutions and the academe since the 1990s. He writes a blog under the name The Risk-Monger.
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H1N1 led to the loss of up to 575,000 lives in the first year of circulation in 2009. While there was concern (especially as the vaccine was not available until the end of the first year), there was no mass global precautionary lockdown or strangulation of economic activity (which was just recovering from the financial crisis the year before). Why is our present reaction so extreme compared to H1N1? While some would say it did not affect wealthy western countries, it did (there were 60 million cases in the US leading to over 12,000 deaths).

H1N1 was normalised. It was called a flu (swine flu) so people understood it in the context of how to manage influenza outbreaks. COVID-19 is called a virus – a coronavirus! In public perception terms, we might as well call it the “corona-plague”. There are many strains of influenza and we accept that the flu will not go away. It is part of life and, for far too many, the cause of death. At times our healthcare system is overwhelmed by flu outbreaks (as the British NHS was in the days leading up to the British election in December, 2019).

Vaccine-makers try to anticipate the strains that will dominate in any season. COVID-19 will not go away but will likely become one more strain to consider in the vaccine lottery. We need to normalise our vocabulary so the mass public precautionary panic plateaus.

575k deaths is the revised and highest total of an overall estimated fatality rate. The WHO reckon around 200k died but that was only established years after the pandemic subsided and all lab results checked.

Many people believe that the infection rate of Covid is x10 higher than reported and they're probably right but I imagine the death rate is also x10 than being reported.

Either way this is quite clearly worse than swine flu. It's only 3 months in and the recorded death toll is as large as the recorded death toll for the first year of swine flu. Before any revision of the numbers.

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 01:15PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People keep mentioning south Korea as being the successful and transparent in halting the spread which correct on both counts.

However, it's worth pointing out despite having a regime in place any other country would find hugely difficult to implement they still have roughly 100 new cases per day. 6 deaths today as well.

On the plus side that's managable.

What is the full numbers for South Korea so far

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