CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 12:50PM

youandme13 wrote: »

I've been waiting for a test for 9 days now!! Does this mean I won't get tested or my GP will have to reapply for me??

I'd say contact the GP again and see what they say.

GM228 · 25-03-2020 12:50PM

youandme13 wrote: »

I've been waiting for a test for 9 days now!! Does this mean I won't get tested or my GP will have to reapply for me??

If you have no test date then no (unless you fall into the case definitions and priority groups).

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 12:50PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Just seen on Sky News how the rate of growth in southern Italy is surging.

Up to 23% growth reported in some towns/cities. Whereas it's around 8% in most places in the north.

Consequences of infected migrating north/south perhaps.

They are surely after maxing out the testing ability in the north, they were locked down earlier

given the amount of irish that came home with it, it must be in the millions in the north by now, you can't test all those people

BKtje · 25-03-2020 12:50PM

I don't know what the situation in Ireland is like but here in Switzerland the (con)federation has changed the law to allow (force) health workers to work up to 60 hours a week.

Now obviously they are doing this as they lack qualified staff but my question is can some of the admin work be taken away from nurses/doctors and could training be provided in the future for the general public to step up for basic tasks during a a crisis.

In Switzerland all males between 18 and 39 must do x number of days military/public service or pay a % of their salary to be excluded (not negligible amount!). Could something similar be done to train "reservists" for the health sector in case of another outbreak or even if this, as seems likely, is going to go on for a while longer.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There's more. Are we actually protecting them. We have an awfully high proportion of cases who are health care workers.

Don't our health experts tell us that masks etc don't protect you from the virus, they only help to stop you giving it to someone...? So only sick people should wear a mask, to protect the healthy people.

By that logic, only the patients should be wearing PPE... to protect the doctors and nurses!

Clearly the Asians think differently, and their medics suit up like they are going into a nuclear reactor!

Probably explains why all their citizens wear face masks out on the streets too... they seem to have a bit more cop on than many people here in the west!

retro:electro · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

youandme13 wrote: »

I've been waiting for a test for 9 days now!! Does this mean I won't get tested or my GP will have to reapply for me??

Have you been given a test date? If you haven’t been given a test date and didn’t have a fever as one of your symptoms or aren’t deemed high risk, you now won’t be tested

Bob24 · 25-03-2020 12:51PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Yip. Italy has some way to go yet.

Problem is, if they are unable to bring it under control everywhere at the same time it could be never-ending. If the North starts getting better and the South becomes bad at the same time, then the South could contaminate the North again so if they want to avoid that they are in for another month or 2 of country-wide travel bans and lockdowns :-/

MrMusician18 · 25-03-2020 12:52PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Fuckin loser old men constantly giving out about some kid, fuckin weirdos the lot of them.

It's not about Greta. It's about teenage activism and the sincerity of it. Teenagers were being lauded by the media for their social conscience while others pointed out that most were there for the day out.

We have seen from the young people response to a current rather than imminent threat that they do not have the social conscience we were told they had. We can see with our own eyes the gatherings of teenagers and the lack of regard they have for this virus spreading in the community. In truth they are just as selfish as those they chastised for stealing their future since that have no problem stealing the future from older and/or vulnerable people.

If course this isn't news to a lot of people. Anyone with half a brain knew these protests were more about the day out that any real belief on climate action.

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 12:53PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

To the HSE spinbots on here. Shame on you. Constant attack on here for trying to raise awareness about what medics are actually facing on the ground.

Feel free to apologise.

No fancy background, daily brief, man in the east, obfuscated data will hide the extent of this problem.

Eh, that's a guy thinking outside the box, not evidence of a shortage!

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 12:53PM

People keep mentioning south Korea as being the successful and transparent in halting the spread which correct on both counts.

However, it's worth pointing out despite having a regime in place any other country would find hugely difficult to implement they still have roughly 100 new cases per day. 6 deaths today as well.

On the plus side that's managable.

Itssoeasy · 25-03-2020 12:55PM

Naggdefy wrote: »

To think this day last year we were 4 days from the Brexit deadline of March 29th. It dominated our world and we wondered the economic fallout. Little did we know what we'd be talking about a year later.

Those were simpler times.

You'd miss brexit kind of.

25-03-2020 12:55PM

GM228 wrote: »

Clarification on weather the new case definitions were WHO or DoH mandated, this may not go down well as it appears the requirements is now WHO case definitions and priority groups which has been determined by the DoH it seems, not the WHO:-

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1242762914647457794?s=19

By these measures the statistics of those affected will maybe decrease as fewer will be tested, and will be screwed to the more se ere cases with higher death rates. I suppose, though, they can extrapolate on likely overall cases in the country.

FVP3 · 25-03-2020 12:55PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I read before that Germany would only record the death of those patients who died as a direct and exclusive result of coronavirus. No underlying illness directly contributed simultaneously.

Which on probabilities would seem a good explanation imo?

source: This thread, or its predecessors.

JRant · 25-03-2020 12:58PM

Naos wrote: »

To the posters that are saying the amount of test results we are producing is pathetic, what is your solution?

Bearing in mind that there is only a finite amount of testing that can be done in the labs and that you need people who are actually qualified to conduct these tests (normally requiring 5+ years of education).

So if your solution is more labs or more lab technicians then that's fine but please provide details as to how we would achieve that in the 2-3 month timespan since this virus has been known or speculated to be as impactful as it has been.

While I don't think it's pathetic, I do believe they should not have ramped up the testing and opened new testing facilities if there were no labs to process the results. This was an error on their behalf and they should have maintained the previous testing regime.

25-03-2020 12:59PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Quote from Dr David Zaruk, environmental-health risk analyst and professor based in Brussels. He has worked in risk management and science communications for industry, public institutions and the academe since the 1990s. He writes a blog under the name The Risk-Monger.
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H1N1 led to the loss of up to 575,000 lives in the first year of circulation in 2009. While there was concern (especially as the vaccine was not available until the end of the first year), there was no mass global precautionary lockdown or strangulation of economic activity (which was just recovering from the financial crisis the year before). Why is our present reaction so extreme compared to H1N1? While some would say it did not affect wealthy western countries, it did (there were 60 million cases in the US leading to over 12,000 deaths).

H1N1 was normalised. It was called a flu (swine flu) so people understood it in the context of how to manage influenza outbreaks. COVID-19 is called a virus – a coronavirus! In public perception terms, we might as well call it the “corona-plague”. There are many strains of influenza and we accept that the flu will not go away. It is part of life and, for far too many, the cause of death. At times our healthcare system is overwhelmed by flu outbreaks (as the British NHS was in the days leading up to the British election in December, 2019).

Vaccine-makers try to anticipate the strains that will dominate in any season. COVID-19 will not go away but will likely become one more strain to consider in the vaccine lottery. We need to normalise our vocabulary so the mass public precautionary panic plateaus.

So much wrong in this that it strike me as a quote from and expert just wanting to be contrarian just to be noticed. 12,000 deaths from 60million cases in the US for H1N1 - 0.02%. Would expect 1 million+ from unchecked COVID-19. Also the vaccine mechanism for Influenza is well understood and long standing. Adding a new strain does not change the mechanism. Simply adding Covid-19 to seasonal flu may not work as its a completely different virus.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:00PM

[QUOTE=This is it;112943386]I don't believe they are out of stock but even if they were, every frontline worker should be wearing ppe. As I said, you'll have testers who never come in contact with a positive case, the fact is they don't know at the time so they have to wear ppe.

Again, I don't understand your logic, maybe you could explain it to help me understand?[/QUOTE]

Why are they appealing for it on social media ?

Must be pretty bad to stick your head above the parapet and appeal to the public to donate.

https://twitter.com/CossPeter/status/1242539010028908550?s=20

Shn99 · 25-03-2020 01:00PM

Great initiatives announced by an post at the briefing

-2 postcards per home
-delivering COVID-19 booklet
-will collect parcels and letters from elderly and deliver them for free
-working with newspapers to deliver them to homes
-post men and women will call into elderly for a chat and get any messages they need ect

josip · 25-03-2020 01:00PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

Yip. Italy has some way to go yet.

Just as Northern Italy is getting a lid on this, southern Italy will be hit hard.
Poorer health infrastructure and less likely to obey/follow orders than the North.

25-03-2020 01:00PM

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Don't our health experts tell us that masks etc don't protect you from the virus, they only help to stop you giving it to someone...? So only sick people should wear a mask, to protect the healthy people.

By that logic, only the patients should be wearing PPE... to protect the doctors and nurses!

Clearly the Asians think differently, and their medics suit up like they are going into a nuclear reactor!

Probably explains why all their citizens wear face masks out on the streets too... they seem to have a bit more cop on than many people here in the west!

BTW wearing a mask as a patient when you are experiencing breathing issues is simply not possible.

citysights · 25-03-2020 01:00PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

It's not about Greta. It's about teenage activism and the sincerity of it. Teenagers were being lauded by the media for their social conscience while others pointed out that most were there for the day out.

We have seen from the young people response to a current rather than imminent threat that they do not have the social conscience we were told they had. We can see with our own eyes the gatherings of teenagers and the lack of regard they have for this virus spreading in the community. In truth they are just as selfish as those they chastised for stealing their future since that have no problem stealing the future from older and/or vulnerable people.

If course this isn't news to a lot of people. Anyone with half a brain knew these protests were more about the day out that any real belief on climate action.

Look to be fair we shouldn’t be laying all the blame on teenagers. Look at the Cheltenham crowd, all the people getting ice cream in Dun laoighre at weekend, people out on walks, in parks, on beaches, cars parked in rows with people going to these places. Those were not teenagers driving those cars.

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 01:01PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Why are they appealing for it on social media ?

Must be pretty bad to stick your head above the parapet and appeal to the public to donate.

https://twitter.com/CossPeter/status/1242539010028908550?s=20

That is a very bad sign

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 01:01PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People keep mentioning south Korea as being the successful and transparent in halting the spread which correct on both counts.

However, it's worth pointing out despite having a regime in place any other country would find hugely difficult to implement they still have roughly 100 new cases per day. 6 deaths today as well.

On the plus side that's managable.

for how long can you lockdown?

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 01:02PM

Spain has over taken China's death toll after 738 deaths in the last 24 hours

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-25-20-intl-hnk/index.html

yourdeadwright · 25-03-2020 01:02PM

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What high horse? Does that phrase even apply here?

Tell me this, did you instantly wonder if Charles Mountbatten, Idris Elba, Tom Hanks et al were all for publicity?

No there stories where not odd to me her one was , she lives in Sweden a country who only test those with sever cases but she is tested and is fine ,

Not sure why you feel the need to jump to her defence , its like some kinda weird cult , Iv nothing against her never spoke about her but I seen the story and it made little sense so to me (does it to you) looks like its made up for publicity when she is other wise getting none at the moment,

You make it sound like I'd spend my days looking for fault with someone I pay no attention to , I just seen this story that as I said made little sense

it said in the article her parents are documentary makers currently making one of her so i'm sure you can see all the details the up coming documentary ,

Sweet.Science · 25-03-2020 01:02PM

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

storker · 25-03-2020 01:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

its a completely different virus.

...altogether.

silverharp · 25-03-2020 01:05PM

gabeeg wrote: »

That is a very bad sign

The US are doing the same, its clear there will be a shortage of medical consumables. Take it as being proactive

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 01:05PM

the.red.baron wrote: »

for how long can you lockdown?

This is the root of the problem.

Will there be a surge again if everything is opened back up and people go back to normal routine?

Do the benefits of opening up outweigh the risks?

No one seems to have an answer to that yet (except Trump who wants everything back to normal by Easter).

A vaccine is the only long term solution.

Scotty # · 25-03-2020 01:06PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Can someone briefly explain what the end game is here

Social distancing will obviously work in helping the HSE and preventing deaths

However as things stand we will have to do this indefinitely until there is a vaccine. Some estimate 12 to 18 months

Is it sustainable or will we all go mad ?

You've answered your own question.

Until we have a vaccine or her immunity (no evidence yet that that would work) this will continue.

The only other option is to reopen the country and let nature take it's course. This seems to be what Trump wants to do.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 01:06PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Eh, that's a guy thinking outside the box, not evidence of a shortage!

Are you seriously saying that? Spinbot overload......

Hi my name is Dr Anne Marie McLaughlin
I'm a respiratory consultant in St. James hospital.
We need personal protective equipment.

https://twitter.com/CossPeter/status/1242539010028908550?s=20

Are you calling her a liar?

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