CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

is_that_so · 25-03-2020 11:26AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is about massaging numbers.

Yet the hospitals will still be overwhelmed. That can't be hidden.

We were told everyone who was referred would be tested. We have spent a fortune on testing sites around the country.

Now we are told hardly anyone is going to be tested.

Great news, we'll only have a handful of cases.

If you don't test there is no problem by default. That's the theory anyway.

Not true, just testing more specific people. Daily test levels of 4500 and rising.

tobefrank321 · 25-03-2020 11:26AM

25,000 cases in New York. The real figure is likely 10 times that.

Anyone flying here from New York should be isolated in a hotel for 2 weeks if we aren't going to ban flights.

You can't flatten the curve if you import cases from other countries.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 11:27AM

Renee Kind Historian wrote: »

That certainly isn't the message I'm taking from this and I think it's quite disingenuous to put it this way. We are testing a lot of people, it's approaching 4000 per million which is high by international standards and it is still rising.

Ah yeah, but we have indulged in a bit of creative accounting.

We have cleared the backlog by moving the goal posts.

It's not great TBF.

But we couldn't cope.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 11:28AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I’d say they are the same clowns that bought bread during the snow just to put a picture of it on the Facebook.

I still have that bread in the freezer, whos laughing now

Widdensushi · 25-03-2020 11:28AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Why does Germany have such a low death rate when they clearly have a lot or cases?

What is Germany doing to manage this so well and is there parts of that model that we can follow ?

the older people must be isolating as the age of the positive tests is young and they are obviously testing anyone who has symptoms, contact. UK deathrate is going to be high because you basically have to need hospitalization before you are tested

25-03-2020 11:29AM

briany wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asM056FLmg0

Everyone should watch this

It sums up this boardsie family of ours.

Achasanai · 25-03-2020 11:29AM

Boggles wrote: »

Ah yeah, but we have indulged in a bit of creative accounting.

How is it 'creative accounting'? The real important figure is how many we're testing per population, which I believe is relatively high (compared to other European countries) for the stage that we're currently at.

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 11:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is about massaging numbers.

Yet the hospitals will still be overwhelmed. That can't be hidden.

We were told everyone who was referred would be tested. We have spent a fortune on testing sites around the country.

Now we are told hardly anyone is going to be tested.

Great news, we'll only have a handful of cases.

If you don't test there is no problem by default. That's the theory anyway.

And we won't have a true picture of infection or immunity rates in the wider population, which will make emerging from lockdown more of a gamble.

the.red.baron · 25-03-2020 11:29AM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The virus must be very widespread in London:

"Sadiq Khan, the mayor of London, has warned that more tube services in the UK capital may have to be cut because of staff sickness rates approaching 30%,"

Guardian blog

I doubt they are all sick, just trying to avoid getting it

893bet · 25-03-2020 11:30AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is about massaging numbers.

Yet the hospitals will still be overwhelmed. That can't be hidden.

We were told everyone who was referred would be tested. We have spent a fortune on testing sites around the country.

Now we are told hardly anyone is going to be tested.

Great news, we'll only have a handful of cases.

If you don't test there is no problem by default. That's the theory anyway.

You are not logical.

This will make the numbers appear far worse.

If we only people have multiple symptoms then the chances of them being positive are far higher.

By not clogging up the system with people who don’t need a test.

Ultimately everyone should assume they have it, with symptoms or not and maintain distances.

25-03-2020 11:30AM

MD1990 wrote: »

I was sick last week,had a cough,fatigue,pain in head but was sneezing alot too so clearly a cold.
I did not even think of getting a test.

Same as that. A lot of unnecessary cases blocking up the system.

frillyleaf · 25-03-2020 11:31AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If someone dies with the virus but also has another underlying health issues they are putting that down as cause of death ,We are doing the opposite

Should all countries not be recording information in the same way so it is clear and consistent?

For example, if someone with asthma passes away from being infected with Covid19 is that not the cause of death as opposed to asthma? They would have been able to live with asthma so I don’t understand why this is being classified as cause of death

I would have thought people had to report deaths related that tested positive for Covid19.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 11:32AM

Achasanai wrote: »

How is it 'creative accounting'? The real important figure is how many we're testing per population, which I believe is relatively high (compared to other European countries) for the stage that we're currently at.

Changing the criteria for a test when 40,000 odd people are waiting for the test thus eliminating the back log is at best creative accounting.

I find the constant positive spins on these type of failures more worrying than the doom merchants TBH.

The reality is we have failed at testing we aspired to do, we couldn't cope and we now have to move onto a different way.

We need honesty not spin from government cheer leaders.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 11:32AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

the older people must be isolating as the age of the positive tests is young and they are obviously testing anyone who has symptoms, contact. UK deathrate is going to be high because you basically have to need hospitalization before you are tested

I read before that Germany would only record the death of those patients who died as a direct and exclusive result of coronavirus. No underlying illness directly contributed simultaneously.

Which on probabilities would seem a good explanation imo?

owlbethere · 25-03-2020 11:32AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The more I listen to various spokespeople trying to explain what the new regime means for all of us, the more I come to the conclusion that the whole thing has not been thought through at all. We are committing economic suicide which will result in the eventual breakdown of our social fabric.
There really is no plan in place.

The other option is not to slow the spread of this virus down and allowing it to run rampant throughout society. There will be huge losses that way too. You're talking about a large amount of people being out from the work force with illness. There will be a huge strain on the health service treating people with bad doses. If there's not enough space in hospitals older people will be allowed be allowed to die at home in their beds. There's no right answer.

gabeeg · 25-03-2020 11:32AM

893bet wrote: »

You are not logical.

This will make the numbers appear far worse.

If we only people have multiple symptoms then the chances of them being positive are far higher.

By not clogging up the system with people who don’t need a test.

Ultimately everyone should assume they have it, with symptoms or not and maintain distances.

All the countries that are handling this well are testing widely

It's a crucial pillar of their strategy. If we're not, then we're on a far different path to the likes of South Korea, Germany, Singapore etc

Wombatman · 25-03-2020 11:33AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If someone dies with the virus but also has another underlying health issues they are putting that down as cause of death ,We are doing the opposite

I've heard this a few times. Is there any source for this?

25-03-2020 11:33AM

893bet wrote: »

You are not logical.

This will make the numbers appear far worse.

If we only people have multiple symptoms then the chances of them being positive are far higher.

By not clogging up the system with people who don’t need a test.

Ultimately everyone should assume they have it, with symptoms or not and maintain distances.

Exactly. You can't win people who are negative all the time.

It's pretty straightforward. If you have any symptoms practice social distancing. This should be practiced anyway.

If you have fever and another symptom ring your doctor.

It's common sense.

25-03-2020 11:34AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

While you could claim self defence. The spit has already occurred and thier is no further risk. If they are running away you could technically be prosecuted.

Comes down to what you "believe" was going to happen and if it can be shown you believed that beyond reasonable doubt. Self defence only works if there is a danger of something going to happen. If it has happened you should just call garda.

So I’d tell the authorities that as the c unt ran away he said he was going to do the same to the old lady a few yards up the road. I took him out in to save her.

Cody montana · 25-03-2020 11:35AM

Prince Charles has it!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 25-03-2020 11:35AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There’s an old saying about babies and bath water. If the result of this is a wrecked economy then we will have a wrecked health service and a wrecked society as well.
I think it is vital to keep the economy going as much as possible while taking sensible precautions What’s going to happen when the tax money runs out? We have seen in the recent past what economic devastation does to a society. It’s relatively easy to shut things down, it’s not so easy to get things started again.

We might come out of this with a slightly weaker economy, but a stronger and more united society... where people care more about each other and a bit less about what's in their bank account!

The race to the bottom, is one of the core reasons that this virus even came into existence on the first place! China being the main area of the world that has to respond to our ever increasing consumerism!

Longing · 25-03-2020 11:35AM

Absolutely disgraceful what's happening today. I have been showing symptoms sweating and coughing my lungs hurt so much. Told I have to reply for test. Waiting 5 days already. Had Pneumonia 12 months ago and have underlying autoimmune disorder.

Tears are running down my face as i type this. I can't believe it

frillyleaf · 25-03-2020 11:36AM

Renee Kind Historian wrote: »

Their death rate is virtually identical to ours.

Is it compared to our population level? That is good news if that is the case and I would be optimistic that we may have this under control if there is not a big increase. If this goes well for Ireland Leo Varadkar will go down in history for leading us through this.

Fart · 25-03-2020 11:37AM

Longing wrote: »

Absolutely disgraceful what's happening today. I have been showing symptoms sweating and coughing my lungs hurt so much. Told I have to reply for test. Waiting 5 days already. Had Pneumonia 12 months ago and have underlying autoimmune disorder.

Tears are running down my face as i type this. I can't believe it

Sorry to hear.
I hope you get the support you need.

frillyleaf · 25-03-2020 11:37AM

YFlyer wrote: »

The ICUs curve hasn't spiked?

What do you mean? It hasn’t spiked in Germany or in Ireland ?

jamesf85 · 25-03-2020 11:38AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

Why does Germany have such a low death rate when they clearly have a lot or cases?

What is Germany doing to manage this so well and is there parts of that model that we can follow ?

People think they're hiding or smudging the figures. Appratntly, if you're terminally ill and you pass away, and a postmortem shows you also had the virus, they're not putting that down as cause of death.

I personally think that would do more harm than good to their reputation. They're seen as the leading democracy in the EU, why risk that with this.

patnor1011 · 25-03-2020 11:38AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

What are the good Dr.'s qualifications?
Online PhD perhaps?

Dont know. What are yours?
Honestly, can you dispute anything from that quote without resorting to personal attacks?

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 11:39AM

Longing wrote: »

Absolutely disgraceful what's happening today. I have been showing symptoms sweating and coughing my lungs hurt so much. Told I have to reply for test. Waiting 5 days already. Had Pneumonia 12 months ago and have underlying autoimmune disorder.

Tears are running down my face as i type this. I can't believe it

That is disgraceful. You are absolutely correct.

pc7 · 25-03-2020 11:40AM

Longing wrote: »

Absolutely disgraceful what's happening today. I have been showing symptoms sweating and coughing my lungs hurt so much. Told I have to reply for test. Waiting 5 days already. Had Pneumonia 12 months ago and have underlying autoimmune disorder.

Tears are running down my face as i type this. I can't believe it

Very stressful for you, but please try and rest as much as you can, ring again to set up test. If you are really struggling ring for an ambulance and say you are waiting for testing so they can be prepared.

otnomart · 25-03-2020 11:40AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

If someone dies with the virus but also has another underlying health issues they are putting that down as cause of death ,We are doing the opposite

I think so, too.

The Robert Koch daily report for Germany can be downloaded from this page:https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Gesamt.html

The report in German shows that they have a low hospitalisation rate:
Hospitalization was reported in 1,783 of the 19,797 reported COVID-19 cases (9%).

The English version gives the age split:

15,122 are male (55%) and 12,222 female (45%).

In total, 202 children under the age of 5,570 children aged 5 to 14 years, 21,373 persons aged 15 to 59 years and 5,165 persons 60 years and older (see Figure 2).

The age of 126 notified cases is unknown. The median age is 47 years.

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP