CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

Drumpot · 25-03-2020 09:20AM

Boggles wrote: »

Germany did it.

"spoiled relations" can be fixed in the future.

One example doesn’t automatically make this a good idea.

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 09:21AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Few questions this morning waking up to this nightmare. We are a rich country so I'm told.
So we should go against WHO because we don't have capacity?

Why do hospitals not have enough PPE. Is it because it doesn't work or we don't have enough?

I don't believe a word at this stage.

The government is holding press conference to drip drip drip info before it gets really bad here.

It's looking like there is not enough PPE for front line staff

Not interested in blame game or if you like paddy cosgrave. I'm interested in solving it immediately.

https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242493950155542528?s=20

bennyl10 wrote: »

can we please stop sharing Paddy f-ing Cosgrave
hes a jumped up event organiser, who has looked for details of deceased people to sell to foreign media outlets, AS PER HIS OWN ADMISSION

The HSE has address the PPE issue, we have sufficient for now, and have a shipment coming this week. Anything else is conspiracy BS.

The testing changes are ahppening because a)94% of people are negative and b) we are following WHO recommendations.

If you have just one symptom, then stay the f in doors and assume you do have the disease.

If you develop a fever and a respiratory symptom then call your GP and arrange a test. The test is just a confirmation.

If you're sick in any sense, then just self isolate. You shouldn't need the test to tell you this.

This is following the WHO definition of "a fever + x"

We are still testing and are going to test in huge numbers, but just with people showing definitive symptoms.

The rest of us, STAY AT HOME and this wont spread

Thanks for the post. Please see the highlighted section of mine. I've addressed your concerns.

Do you know that there is enough PPE for our frontline staff. Stick to the issue. I think we can all agree Paddy is a prick. Don't know him personally. He is raising a valid point.

What do you think about Conor mcgregor? Bet you don't like him either.

Tyson fury?

Wait who is allowed share information about this crisis.

Hurrache · 25-03-2020 09:21AM

touts wrote: »

With the change this morning to impose strict limits on who qualifies for tests it proves that the line "we have ordered plenty of tests and there will be no problem" was a fabrication designed to prevent panic.

As it spreads more, and with the ratio of those tested resulting in being positive over negative, it's entirely logical to concentrate on those with more than one symptom over someone with one.

Getting tested or not is going to make no difference to most people, even if they have it.

25-03-2020 09:22AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What do you do if you have a fatal pathogen and can't breath?
Answer get a ventilator.
What do you do if you have a fatal pathogen and can't breath and there aren't enough ventilators?
You die.

Well, I’m sure any Blue Peter badge holder could rustle one up with a cereal box and double sided sticky tape.

El Weirdo · 25-03-2020 09:22AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

What do you do if you have a fatal pathogen and can't breath?
Answer get a ventilator.
What do you do if you have a fatal pathogen and can't breath and there aren't enough ventilators?
You die.

I just can't understand why you haven't been headhunted to run this whole thing. Surely a genius such as yourself would have the whole thing sorted in weeks. The HSE clearly needs someone that can type in bold and increased font size.

el Fenomeno · 25-03-2020 09:22AM

Apologies if already posted, but I thought this was picture was just incredibly sad and a reminder of what's behind the daily numbers we see coming out of Italy. It's a man attending his mother's funeral in Italy.

Doctors room ghost · 25-03-2020 09:22AM

Naggdefy wrote: »

Same here. What I'm doing is about as non essential as it gets. Weeding old library books behind closed doors. Absolutely ridiculous that I'm travelling in to work where you have a set number of interactions a day, albeit distanced.

Surely redeployment would be better. But no, my bosses want to keep the sham of us doing essential work going as long as possible because they want to draw their normal salary, think what they are doing is important..

In the current climate ye should be grateful ye still have jobs to go to.there is people at home with nothing

Boggles · 25-03-2020 09:24AM

Drumpot wrote: »

One example doesn’t automatically make this a good idea.

Have you heard Germany is running out of PPE?

It's not one example, the Yanks are doing it, voluntarily at the minute because they have the legislation to take the factories completely over immediately.

givyjoe · 25-03-2020 09:24AM

Hurrache wrote: »

As it spreads more, and with the ratio of those tested resulting in being positive over negative, it's entirely logical to concentrate on those with more than one symptom over someone with one.

Getting tested or not is going to make no difference to most people, even if they have it.

It's going to make a huge difference to the folks trying to isolate from others, in a very confined space. Having people isolate for weeks on end, in cramped spaces is seriously detrimental to mental health and shouldn't be done if it isn't absolute necessary. Think of one parent stuck in a room for weeks trying to avoid passing to others, when they may not even have it, but can't get tested.

bennyl10 · 25-03-2020 09:24AM

touts wrote: »

With the change this morning to impose strict limits on who qualifies for tests it proves that the line "we have ordered plenty of tests and there will be no problem" was a fabrication designed to prevent panic.

We already know the line we have ordered over 200 million worth of PPE was also a fabrication. They may have ordered it but so has the whole world and social media is full of Irish frontline staff pleading for more PPE.

The third leg of the don't panic stool was good supply chains are fine. No need to worry. Well now I'm worried. There hasn't been panic buying for days and yet ever supermarket or shop I call into the shelves are a lot less full than they used to be. Products are only one or two deep on the shelves. It feels like a thin illusion of stock. I fear in a few weeks when we are in the height of this crisis there will be serious shortages.

We haven't imposed 'strict limits' or anything remotely like that.

We are following exactly what the WHO have said for confirming cases of COVID19

The advice is very simple, if you have a fever + x you need a test to confirm you have this disease and being contact tracing.

If you have a cough and nothing else, you yourself should sioalte, under the impression you have the disease. A test wont do anything other then confirm and in 94% of cases tested here a cough is not a positive.

If you self isolate and dont interact with anyone as a start, and call your Gp if further symptoms emmerge, this will not spread

billybonkers · 25-03-2020 09:24AM

Some amount of b****ing the last few pages.

The issue of PPE is being addressed as mentioned in the press conference last night. We are not the only country experiencing these issues, we had to negotiate a deal with China to get PPE sent over. Every country affected needs more! There are also mass stockpiles ready to go. We aren't seeing nurses and doctors assessing patients without wearing PPE are we? Where is the proof of it if so? We have been told there is plenty of PPE on the way.

Hurrache · 25-03-2020 09:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Who is Paddy Cosgrove and why are people listening to him?

The guy who had a massive public strop when he literally couldn't organise an expo in an expo centre. He couldn't/wouldn't splash out on getting the WiFi working properly for his clients, asked the government at the time to help fund it and the tax payer to give his clients, who paid a substantial amount of money to attend, free transport. He was given the opportunity to appear on 6.1 News but dropped out and sent his second in command instead for a car crash interview.

When he was told no he ****ed off out of the country with it, hopefully thinking we'd beg him to come back.

The fact he now has a blue twitter tick and regularly takes pops at the government, while getting all conspiratorial, attracts another type of clown to him.

Drumpot · 25-03-2020 09:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Have you heard Germany is running out of PPE?

It's not one example, the Yanks are doing it, voluntarily at the minute because they have the legislation to take the factories completely over immediately.

And if we do it, what do we lose out as a result? Your presumption is that we can arbitrarily do it, so what’s the downside? What might we lose?

ZX7R · 25-03-2020 09:25AM

Boggles wrote: »

Who is Paddy Cosgrove and why are people listening to him?

A person who has a serious vendetta against the government, long history there and has a Twitter account.

bennyl10 · 25-03-2020 09:27AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for the post. Please see the highlighted section of mine. I've addressed your concerns.

Do you know that there is enough PPE for our frontline staff. Stick to the issue. I think we can all agree Paddy is a prick. Don't know him personally. He is raising a valid point.

What do you think about Conor mcgregor? Bet you don't like him either.

Tyson fury?

Wait who is allowed share information about this crisis.

They're all gods***es

who is allowed to share information? The department of health, the CMo, the HSE, the government.

Anything else is unverified hearsay

Taking social media for granted, we should take whatsapp for granted, and seemingly we've had martial law for the past 3 weeks

Boggles · 25-03-2020 09:27AM

Drumpot wrote: »

And if we do it, what do we lose out as a result? Your presumption is that we can arbitrarily do it, so what’s the downside? What might we lose?

Whatever we lose will not trump protecting front line staff and saving lives. Would you agree?

It doesn't have to be done forever, Germany did it to build up reserves and have started exporting again to EU countries.

EDit · 25-03-2020 09:29AM

So it’s not just having the 2 symptoms...you need to be in a “risky” group as well.

From RTÉ article “ Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested.

These are close contacts of a confirmed case, healthcare staff and vulnerable groups.”

Hurrache · 25-03-2020 09:29AM

givyjoe wrote: »

It's going to make a huge difference to the folks trying to isolate from others, in a very confined space. Having people isolate for weeks on end, in cramped spaces is seriously detrimental to mental health and shouldn't be done if it isn't absolute necessary. Think of one parent stuck in a room for weeks trying to avoid passing to others, when they may not even have it, but can't get tested.

You still have to self isolate while you're awaiting for a test and then for your test results anyway.

Sir Oxman · 25-03-2020 09:29AM

Really. This guy is the worst possible human being to be in such a position.
You could not make it up.
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1242611030141919234?s=20

caveat emptor · 25-03-2020 09:31AM

billybonkers wrote: »

Some amount of b****ing the last few pages.

The issue of PPE is being addressed as mentioned in the press conference last night. We are not the only country experiencing these issues, we had to negotiate a deal with China to get PPE sent over. Every country affected needs more! There are also mass stockpiles ready to go. We aren't seeing nurses and doctors assessing patients without wearing PPE are we? Where is the proof of it if so? We have been told there is plenty of PPE on the way.

Do you think that is sufficient PPE to protect themselves?

https://twitter.com/MaterTrauma/status/1239643615636455424?s=20

banie01 · 25-03-2020 09:32AM

Renee Kind Historian wrote: »

Was there a chance of you passing nuclear war onto the person next to you? These people are idiots.

No..
But in fairness to the cold war babbies...
You can't hug someone with nuclear arms

Drumpot · 25-03-2020 09:32AM

Boggles wrote: »

Whatever we lose will not trump protecting front line staff and saving lives. Would you agree?

It doesn't have to be done forever, Germany did it to build up reserves and have started exporting again to EU countries.

No I wouldn’t agree to anything before seeing what the consequences might be. We aren’t Germany or USA , these countries have a far greater ability to influence and recover then we do.

It’s the same sort of idea as using the Apple money. Sounds like a good idea but once you break normal protocols you can’t control how that might play out or the direct or indirect issues that arise.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 09:32AM

Trump was always just a big joke, but it isn't really funny more.

I can see him firing whoever disagrees with him.

If that happens he will need to be sanctioned.

bennyl10 · 25-03-2020 09:33AM

EDit wrote: »

So it’s not just having the 2 symptoms...you need to be in a “risky” group as well.

From RTÉ article “ Patients will have to display two major symptoms - a fever and either a cough or shortness of breath - and fall into a priority group in order to be tested.

These are close contacts of a confirmed case, healthcare staff and vulnerable groups.”

as per the WHO yes.

everyone else, if you feel sick, stay the f at home.

assume you have it, and if it gets serious go to your GP or hospital

El Weirdo · 25-03-2020 09:33AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Do you think that is sufficient PPE to protect themselves?

https://twitter.com/MaterTrauma/status/1239643615636455424?s=20

Ah here. That's clearly a stock photo.

Get the **** out of here.

TheAsYLuMkeY · 25-03-2020 09:33AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Please don't mischaracterise what I'm saying. I'm not panicking. If people who are working in wards are saying there is not enough PPE, then that is who I will listen to. If they are being suppressed from speaking out on the situation that is a disgrace.

People need to be aware of what is being asked of the front line staff.

Is it possible their superiors are rationing it as much as possible.

I know that’s what I have done in every job I have done if I now I am going to hit a brick wall.

It’s a good to not tell the frontline staff that you have loads of stock as they will then treat it like there no end to it.

Roger_007 · 25-03-2020 09:33AM

The more I listen to various spokespeople trying to explain what the new regime means for all of us, the more I come to the conclusion that the whole thing has not been thought through at all. We are committing economic suicide which will result in the eventual breakdown of our social fabric.
There really is no plan in place.

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 09:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

Trump was always just a big joke, but it isn't really funny more.

I can see him firing whoever disagrees with him.

If that happens he will need to be sanctioned sectioned.

Allow me.

Naggdefy · 25-03-2020 09:34AM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

In the current climate ye should be grateful ye still have jobs to go to.there is people at home with nothing

That's not the point i'm making. We're doing non essential work when we shouldn't be travelling for one. And two we could be redeployed to something more productive at this time.

You're only taking the angle you did to have a cut at me. Your earlier big list of whinges was judgemental BS. Know it all. You think you're better than everyone. The 'gombeens' as you call them.

Boggles · 25-03-2020 09:34AM

Drumpot wrote: »

No I wouldn’t agree to anything before seeing what the consequences might be. We aren’t Germany or USA , these countries have a far greater ability to influence and recover then we do.

So you think the consequences may be worse than protecting from line staff and saving lives?

Yeah they wouldn't be.

That's just nonsense.

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