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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) *Read OP*

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  • #7142
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    shinny wrote: »
    Does anyone know how Mick Carton is doing? He hasn't updated on his Twitter page since letting everyone know he had it and that he was hospitalised.

    Getting out today i think . I heard he was unwell for months leading up to getting it


  • #7143
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    lbj666 wrote: »
    Testing will be ramped up week on week. But they are focussing on people with symptoms with a higher likelyhood of having it ie. the fever bit.

    That's not true. I know for a fact it's not a symptom that needs to be present in order to qualify for testing.


  • #7144
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The RTE site has all the facts. I've found them excellent for reporting on this crisis.


  • #7145
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    6 wrote: »
    If we are had unlimited resources and test kits I'd say we'd test everyone. Need to prioritise.

    I thought we were following the South Korean example. Funny how we are when it suits.

    "The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing"


  • #7146
    shinny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭shinny


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Getting out today i think . I heard he was unwell for months leading up to getting it

    Oh really, ok thanks for the update.


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  • #7147
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Can't help you with a lot of this as you've now put your fingers firmly in your ears but please stop quoting that tool. He's as bad as the WhatsApp crap. They've run low is what Henry said but big order expected starting from Sunday they said so that's sounds pretty immediate.

    I advised a relative in early January to but gear now. Showed her the website to order from. Arrived in a week. When the paltry four surgical masks arrived at the GP practice she was glad of it.

    Now if I could fvcking see it coming why could they now. Worse case it would have been the cheapest insurance policy in history.


  • #7148
    TheAsYLuMkeY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭TheAsYLuMkeY


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Few questions this morning waking up to this nightmare. We are a rich country so I'm told.
    • So we should go against WHO because we don't have capacity?
    • Why do hospitals not have enough PPE. Is it because it doesn't work or we don't have enough?
    • I don't believe a word at this stage.
    • The government is holding press conference to drip drip drip info before it gets really bad here.

    It's looking like there is not enough PPE for front line staff

    Not interested in blame game or if you like paddy cosgrave. I'm interested in solving it immediately.

    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242493950155542528?s=20

    can i clear up what i know in relation to PPE.

    I deal with one of the biggest PPE suppliers in the country for our business,

    They have contracts with the HSE and the Defence forces also.

    My discussion with my contact last week in relation the PPE we buy here, specifically masks, I had told him to ensure the health services were kept fully stocked before he came with any offer to me, we can get by without them if necessary.

    He told me that the HSE and defence forces had huge stocks brought in before this hit, they are fully stocked, and more containers of PPE were on route already more than a week ago to Ireland.

    Same company as of yesterday has an enormous order of masks secured to be dispatched to Ireland starting today to accompany this.

    Stop panicking over the PPE, we will be ok here from what I have been reassured.


  • #7149
    Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool
    Posts: 0 ✭ Eliezer Hallowed Whirlpool


    walshb wrote: »
    Has the criteria for testing changed? If so, will this mean more testing or less...

    I caught a bit of it this morning, but couldn't get the full story.

    There is going to be more testing, the labs are obviously at capacity. We don't have unlimited resources though so targeting who gets tested takes priority, you need to test close contacts etc before a hypochondriac with a sniffle.


  • #7150
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Akrasia wrote: »
    It means more testing, but also more targeted testing where the criteria for community spread is minimum of fever and at least one other symptom.

    Frontline workers will be priority so if they test negative they can return to work earlier and if positive they can continue to isolate and have contact tracing to limit further spread

    The criteria was too low before and the system became overwhelmed. Someone overestimated the testing capacity or underestimated the number of hypochondriacs who demanded a test because they had a headache and a sore throat
    Might there also be cases of some GPs putting people down for it anyway, just in case?


  • #7151
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    That's not true. I know for a fact it's not a symptom that needs to be present in order to qualify for testing.

    That's the whole point we are discussing. Fever has to be present now under the new criteria.


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  • #7152
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,753 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Priority! It's not fvcking Ryanair.

    They are making people think it's their fault for being sick.

    Why don't the own it and say sorry we don't have capacity. We are working with our private sector partners to acquire / borrow equipment and expertise to process the tests.
    • How many of these machines are in the state
    • why can't we use them to process the testing backlog
    • I get the feeling the government is too afraid to use it's power. We are too used to pussyfooting around mulitnationals.
    • Give them a tax break incentive. We are good at that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html

    What are you on about? Every single day of every single year people are treated in healthcare on a priority basis.


  • #7153
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242493950155542528?s=20

    It can't be said enough times, that guy is a prick, his bull**** was even called out during the briefing yesterday, and all over the web.

    You said you don't believe anything, and yet you're reposting that asshole.


  • #7154
    Lewis_Benson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    perrito caliente wrote: »
    What's the story with the kebab meat you guys have on those giant rolling pins?? Is that a part of an animal or just "re-pressed flesh"?

    "Flesh" would be going a little too far...


  • #7155
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Renee Kind Historian wrote: »
    There is going to be more testing, the labs are obviously at capacity. We don't have unlimited resources though so targeting who gets tested takes priority, you need to test close contacts etc before a hypochondriac with a sniffle.

    Would you ever fk off with your hypochondriac ****e. What evidence do you have of that?

    They are overstretched and have to prioritise, you are taking a leap saying hypochondriacs are clogging up the system.


  • #7156
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Priority! It's not fvcking Ryanair.

    They are making people think it's their fault for being sick.

    Why don't the own it and say sorry we don't have capacity. We are working with our private sector partners to acquire / borrow equipment and expertise to process the tests.
    • How many of these machines are in the state
    • why can't we use them to process the testing backlog
    • I get the feeling the government is too afraid to use it's power. We are too used to pussyfooting around mulitnationals.
    • Give them a tax break incentive. We are good at that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html

    There is a reason Leo hired a PR team before anything else.


  • #7157
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    There is a reason Leo hired a PR team before anything else.

    Lads, stick with Facebook and WhatsApp.


  • #7158
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭This is it


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It can't be said enough times, that guy is a prick, his bull**** was even called out during the briefing yesterday, and all over the web.

    You said you don't believe anything, and yet you're reporting that asshole.

    More than a few posters here believe nothing unless it supports their narrative.


  • #7159
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Following South Korea's model was only ever aspirational.

    The BBC did a report on them the other night, they are blitzing areas with mobile testing labs which process results in hours.


  • #7160
    This is it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭This is it


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Lads, stick with Facebook and WhatsApp.

    If only.


  • #7161
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Few questions this morning waking up to this nightmare. We are a rich country so I'm told.
    • So we should go against WHO because we don't have capacity?
    • Why do hospitals not have enough PPE. Is it because it doesn't work or we don't have enough?
    • I don't believe a word at this stage.
    • The government is holding press conference to drip drip drip info before it gets really bad here.

    It's looking like there is not enough PPE for front line staff

    Not interested in blame game or if you like paddy cosgrave. I'm interested in solving it immediately.

    https://twitter.com/paddycosgrave/status/1242493950155542528?s=20
    TheAsYLuMkeY wrote: »
    can i clear up what i know in relation to PPE.

    I deal with one of the biggest PPE suppliers in the country for our business,

    They have contracts with the HSE and the Defence forces also.

    My discussion with my contact last week in relation the PPE we buy here, specifically masks, I had told him to ensure the health services were kept fully stocked before he came with any offer to me, we can get by without them if necessary.

    He told me that the HSE and defence forces had huge stocks brought in before this hit, they are fully stocked, and more containers of PPE were on route already more than a week ago to Ireland.

    Same company as of yesterday has an enormous order of masks secured to be dispatched to Ireland starting today to accompany this.

    Stop panicking over the PPE, we will be ok here from what I have been reassured.

    Please don't mischaracterise what I'm saying. I'm not panicking. If people who are working in wards are saying there is not enough PPE, then that is who I will listen to. If they are being suppressed from speaking out on the situation that is a disgrace.

    People need to be aware of what is being asked of the front line staff.


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  • #7162
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I thought we were following the South Korean example. Funny how we are when it suits.

    "The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing"
    Well they had to because of the huge cluster around that weird church but they also have the set-up to do that. We don't have the test processing infrastructure to do this yet so priority testing makes a lot more sense, along with knocking a whole load of people off the testing list, who are not likely to have it.


  • #7163
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,300 ✭✭✭Allinall


    spookwoman wrote: »
    jesus would you give over, you sound like trump.
    Here is another one from Dr Colm Henry HSE https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1241403523654397954?s=20

    I never said there wasn't a shortage of PPE.

    It's the claim that staff were told to keep quiet about it that I was looking for a credible source for, and you have failed to come up with one.


  • #7164
    Naggdefy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭Naggdefy


    martin101 wrote: »
    Nothing will change. My boss told us all yesterday we are classed as essential workers so asked everyone to come in. All 50 of us into the office today doing non essential admin work. All with social distancing but still we are all due in.

    Same here. What I'm doing is about as non essential as it gets. Weeding old library books behind closed doors. Absolutely ridiculous that I'm travelling in to work where you have a set number of interactions a day, albeit distanced.

    Surely redeployment would be better. But no, my bosses want to keep the sham of us doing essential work going as long as possible because they want to draw their normal salary, think what they are doing is important..


  • #7165
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭kyote00


    It most be very hard to run conference venue business anywhere now. Gathering 50k people into a single venue is impossible - maybe 50k skype connections at the same time....

    I wonder will all conference clients get a refund ? Hard times
    Hurrache wrote: »
    It can't be said enough times, that guy is a prick, his bull**** was even called out during the briefing yesterday, and all over the web.

    You said you don't believe anything, and yet you're reposting that asshole.


  • #7166
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    kyote00 wrote: »
    It most be very hard to run conference venue business anywhere now. Gathering 50k people into a single venue is impossible - maybe 50k skype connections at the same time....

    I wonder will all conference clients get a refund ? Hard times

    He'll expect the government of whatever country his conference is in to pay up, and blame them for any lack of planning from his side.


  • #7167
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Might there also be cases of some GPs putting people down for it anyway, just in case?

    To get their extra €30. At least someone is getting taken care of.


    "Patients who now have to re-engage with their GP (under the new test rules) who were already referred for a test. If the GP refers them again for a test, after triage under the new rules, the GP will again be paid €30 per patient." - From Fergal Bowers twitter.


  • #7168
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    I thought we were following the South Korean example. Funny how we are when it suits.

    "The backbone of Korea’s success has been mass, indiscriminate testing"

    To be fair we are still trying to create the infrastructure to test as much as possible. Unless there is some information that shows we just aren’t bothered or are not trying to create the capacity to test more, I’d be more lenient on judging them in this department.


  • #7169
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Priority! It's not fvcking Ryanair.

    They are making people think it's their fault for being sick.

    Why don't the own it and say sorry we don't have capacity. We are working with our private sector partners to acquire / borrow equipment and expertise to process the tests.
    • How many of these machines are in the state
    • why can't we use them to process the testing backlog
    • I get the feeling the government is too afraid to use it's power. We are too used to pussyfooting around mulitnationals.
    • Give them a tax break incentive. We are good at that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146055/Army-seizes-testing-machines-ministers-race-carry-coronavirus-checks-NHS-staff.html
    lawred2 wrote: »
    What are you on about? Every single day of every single year people are treated in healthcare on a priority basis.

    Priority ok. Triage is triage. Again I'm not saying that.
    I'll make it clear for you. Other countries running into same problems as regards processing test backlogs are sequestering the machines necessary to process said tests.

    i.e our nearest and dearest neighbour. Now given the inferiority complex that we have about the neighbour next door as regards this crises. "Boris is an Idiot", "Leo is great" , " "Boris over reacting"

    Why can't we do what they are doing?

    i.e instead of processing less tests, fix the route cause of the problem and process the tests. We have a huge amount of Pharma and biotech companies in the state.

    Is that clear?


  • #7170
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Priority ok. Triage is triage. Again I'm not saying that.
    I'll make it clear for you. Other countries running into same problems as regards processing test backlogs are sequestering the machines necessary to process said tests.

    i.e our nearest and dearest neighbour. Now given the inferiority complex that we have about the neighbour next door as regards this crises. "Boris is an Idiot", "Leo is great" , " "Boris over reacting"

    Why can't we do what they are doing?

    i.e instead of processing less tests, fix the route cause of the problem and process the tests. We have a huge amount of Pharma and biotech companies in the state.

    Is that clear?

    You do know what happened with regards to private hospitals here don't you? Or are you ignoring it as it doesn't suit your narrative to have a pop at Varadkar? Clear?


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  • #7171
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Hurrache wrote: »
    It can't be said enough times, that guy is a prick, his bull**** was even called out during the briefing yesterday, and all over the web.

    You said you don't believe anything, and yet you're reposting that asshole.


    I couldn't give a fvck about him. Do we have enough PPE? I'm hearing from multiple sources we do not. Address the issue. Everything isn't about who you like and who you dislike. It's a crisis and you should focus on the issues while we have time to make a difference.


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