CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP

25-03-2020 12:37AM

threeball wrote: »

In that case why is it decimating Italy but had no real traction here and only kicking off in the UK. If it's here since December and it only originated in late November how is Italy so far ahead.

They also know exactly the origin of the Italian infection and the problems spiralled from there. It's not plausible to say it's been around almost 4 months and no one noticed.

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 12:37AM

JP Liz V1 · 25-03-2020 12:38AM

YFlyer wrote: »

Go to sleep.

I think that's best for me

bekker · 25-03-2020 12:38AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is there many strains of CoronaVirus? Is Sars and Covid19 different strains?

I'm confusing myself more now

Yes a family of viruses by description, corona is latin for crown, i.e. crown like.

Full description is novel coronavirus SARS II, virus COVID-19.

So it's an unknown (novel) coronavirus, closely related to SARS(I).

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:38AM

smelly sock wrote: »

Covid19 imo has been around for 3-4 months. There was a bug doing the rounds that i had with all the symptoms of covid

Maybe a bug. Not Covid19.

Nodster · 25-03-2020 12:38AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

People were still coming to Ireland up until last weekend. Flights were full from America for example

Speaking to a friend who returned on the 13th from the States, he said 90 american passengers cancelled in case they couldn't return in the event of flights being cancelled

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:39AM

bekker wrote: »

Yes a family of viruses by description, corona is latin for crown, i.e. crown like.

Full description is novel coronavirus SARS II, virus COVID-19.

So it's an unknown (novel) coronavirus, closely related to SARS(I).

The common cold is from the same family.

auspicious · 25-03-2020 12:41AM

-Americans still congregating on beaches or in shopping malls.
-Hospital’s equipment supply diminished, one anesthesiologist wore a plastic bag over his head during a procedure.
-One in 10 Americans have no health insurance, while a widespread lack of sick pay across the country has forced many ill people into work despite the risk of spreading the virus.
-Trump has signaled that he is prepared to wind down restrictions at the end of a 15-day window in an attempt to bolster the economy and a sagging stock market.
-Some hospitals already reaching full ICU capacity.

The future looks dire there. Trump has secured his legacy.

davedanon · 25-03-2020 12:41AM

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GT89 wrote: »

The EUs silence on this absolutely startling. Brexit is beginning to look like a very wise move perhaps pointless though as the EU will likely be irelevant when this is all over as countries will want to take their borders back.

Hello, re-reg. The Never-Ending Brexit thread is thataway ---->

STB. · 25-03-2020 12:41AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is there many strains of CoronaVirus? Is Sars and Covid19 different strains?

I'm confusing myself more now

Iceland has found 40 mutations of Covid19. They have even tracked some of the sources of the different mutations. One was a football match in UK.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:41AM

threeball wrote: »

In that case why is it decimating Italy but had no real traction here and only kicking off in the UK. If it's here since December and it only originated in late November how is Italy so far ahead.

They also know exactly the origin of the Italian infection and the problems spiralled from there. It's not plausible to say it's been around almost 4 months and no one noticed.

Yeh theres just way too many holes in this story..based on vaguely plausible theories and anecdotes of a 'bad bug goin around'

Mwengwe · 25-03-2020 12:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

That is a fair point, bearing in mind how infectious it is it does seem weird that it took its time reaching Europe.

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:42AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

Scientists and medical professionals have been saying for the last two months now that a vaccine could be 12/18 months away, deduct 2 months it should be either 10/16 months away.

Only if they have already a lab based vaccine. Otherwise meh.

dePeatrick · 25-03-2020 12:43AM

threeball wrote: »

In that case why is it decimating Italy but had no real traction here and only kicking off in the UK. If it's here since December and it only originated in late November how is Italy so far ahead.

They also know exactly the origin of the Italian infection and the problems spiralled from there. It's not plausible to say it's been around almost 4 months and no one noticed.

Well if it was around three months before it was identified (likely) it has mutated 7 times according to the Chinese and reports coming out today from Iceland say they have identified 40 different strains, one person with two strains...these evolved from three strains....now this has to be peer reviewed etc...

cloudatlas · 25-03-2020 12:43AM

maebee wrote: »

I shared a what's app of a vid of ppl in cars queuing for testing today in Pairc Ui Chaoimh (don't know how to share it here) to a friend in Scotland, who was baffled by it. He's (loosely) in the medical profession and told me that there's no such thing as "public" testing there. It's only done when you get to the hospital stage. If you want to get a private test it will cost you £350 !!!. He was amazed when I told him that we've set up 30+ centres in the past week and that ppl with symptoms are getting tested for free. This little island of ours is a million miles ahead of the "big boys".

You aren't comparing like for like. Ireland has a lower population than the UK. New Zealand has the same population and no deaths. Croatia has less and 1 deaths so Ireland isn't even as good as countries with the same or lower populations.

(I mean seriously it's become a little sick at the moment the competitiveness instead of expressing feelings of sympathy for the hardship that people are going through everywhere. Italy has 60 million people, UK has just more than that.)

bekker · 25-03-2020 12:44AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I had mucus / phlegm I couldn't get up, in the end I had pleurisy from the cough, sides sore

What are antivirals? I assume what I was given were antibiotics - Clonamox Augmentin or Amoxicillin etc.,

Me too, got antibiotics for a diagnosed upper tract bacterial infection.

Professor Moriarty · 25-03-2020 12:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

Italy's population is the second oldest in the world. Hemce they will have weaker immune systems. This means that Italy will have higher infection rates, more people with severe symptoms and more deaths.

Raconteuse · 25-03-2020 12:44AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Antibiotics work against bacteria only. Antivirals work against viruses only. However, if one gets a flu from a virus a bacterial infection can sometimes 'piggyback' on your weakened body thus the need for antibiotics as well.

Yeah I nearly always end up on an antibiotic after getting a head cold due to chronic sinus trouble. And often steroids too.

Be right back · 25-03-2020 12:44AM

auspicious wrote: »

-Americans still congregating on beaches or in shopping malls.
-Hospital’s equipment supply diminished, one anesthesiologist wore a plastic bag over his head during a procedure.
-One in 10 Americans have no health insurance, while a widespread lack of sick pay across the country has forced many ill people into work despite the risk of spreading the virus.
-Trump has signaled that he is prepared to wind down restrictions at the end of a 15-day window in an attempt to bolster the economy and a sagging stock market.
-Some hospitals already reaching full ICU capacity.

The future looks dire there. Trump has secured his legacy.

He wants full churches at Easter. Priorities?!

josip · 25-03-2020 12:45AM

MipMap wrote: »

fcking Shamrock

Gets incinerated immediately anyway every year because it's considered a biohazard by the Secret Service.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/white-house-furnace-shock-for-shamrock-114843.html

The Hound Gone Wild · 25-03-2020 12:45AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I had mucus / phlegm I couldn't get up, in the end I had pleurisy from the cough, sides sore

What are antivirals? I assume what I was given were antibiotics - Clonamox Augmentin or Amoxicillin etc.,

Antivirals inhibit a part of Viral replication. The most common ones the general public would be aware of:

Valaciclovir, Tenofovir - used in PrEP, Oseltamivir aka Tamiflu, Acyclovir aka Zovirax

citysights · 25-03-2020 12:46AM

fritzelly wrote: »

What societal changes do people think will happen when this is all over? Cannot imagine everyone suddenly starts wearing face masks like some Asian countries.
Or do we go back to the same old thing?
It's shown lots of people, for example, can easily work from home - is there any need for 10s of thousands of people commuting to work every day
Will hospitals build in to their infrastructure more safeguards against future pandemics (we still don't know if this thing is going to continue to circulate like the flu or mutate)

Any other thoughts? Normally normalcy prevails in this thread at this time of night...

I don’t think we’ll go back to the way we were before. Well need to rethink things, even the fact of the Venice canals being full of fish after so long might make us consider our effects on the planet.Will we even want to travel by air as much? I know I’d be very relecutant now, stuck beside someone on a flight. I think we’ll also have a lot of traumatized people, though time is a great healer. We might have an existentialist crisis and I think it’s already starting for some people. But still we can pull through and hopefully we’ll be nicer to each other when all this ends having been through this surreal yet strangely bonding experience. Of course I could be completely wrong as well but definitely things won’t be back to normal for a long time or we’ll have new normal.

Shn99 · 25-03-2020 12:46AM

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:46AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Italy's population is the second oldest in the world. Hemce they will have weaker immune systems. This means that Italy will have higher infection rates, more people with severe symptoms and more deaths.

The old age of Italy is highly overexaggerated, it is very old but there are dozens and dozens of asian and european countries with a comparably aged demographic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:48AM

Cases in New Zealand double overnight to over 200, state of emergency declared

Australia also reports over 430 new cases overnight

25-03-2020 12:49AM

frillyleaf wrote: »

“Relaxed” in China is still doing more than what western countries seem to do. For example, They scan everyone’s temp before boarding buses or entering shops, they social distance still and have people disinfecting rails on buses after journeys, churches, streets etc. I think there are still regions that quarantine applies to when entering country

Just wondering should we be praising China that much, since its being reported they kept 43,000 positive tests of people that displayed no symptoms out of their official stats?

MipMap · 25-03-2020 12:50AM

josip wrote: »

Gets incinerated immediately anyway every year because it's considered a biohazard by the Secret Service.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/white-house-furnace-shock-for-shamrock-114843.html

You learn something ever day !
Always wondered what happened to it.

Kermit.de.frog · 25-03-2020 12:50AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

This one?

https://twitter.com/TomCraze/status/1242470081776345088

After watching Trump say he was going to cleanse the US of coronavirus in a matter of days or Claire Byrne broadcasting from a shed etc it's hard to tell how much more absurd this can possibly get.

wakka12 · 25-03-2020 12:51AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know. Maybe Italians see their grandparents more. Maybe retirees see each other more. What I find bizarre is the fear people have of this thing spreading so easily, but at the same time, the idea that it got from China to Italy in November or December just isn't plausible.

In my unscientific opinion, so take this with a grain of salt, in a few years, the estimated death rate of this virus will be close to influenza, and it was the way it spread that led to so many deaths. No one immune, far too many people asymptomatic and spreading it, mild cases spreading it, and it finally reaching a large number of vulnerable people. I think most of us will have had it.

11 passengers died on the cruise ship with 15 more still in a serious condition and over 100 hundred cases still active, I think it is astounding that this is still being compared to a flu. And the cruise ship was not full of geriatrics, average age of 58. Also 1/3 of the people on board were workers, presumably exclusively under 65

And yes those reasons you listed will be large contributors to why it has been so devastating so far. But the main reason it is causing a lot of deaths is because it kills elderly and vulnerable people in far larger numbers than flu does

YFlyer · 25-03-2020 12:52AM

Shn99 wrote: »

Anyone see the video Conor McGregor put up on instagram? Embarrasment

No. Did he pock Bonos head?

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CoVid19 Part X - 1,564 cases ROI (9 deaths) 209 in NI (7 deaths) (25 March) Read OP